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    • Hi DX   That is the only info letter I have we can't locate the first letter or original parking fine notification My wife said there wasn't  anything on the car windscreen. Do I ask the DC for the original notification ?   what shall I do just wait until they pursue through court ?   apologies for lack of info  Cancookwill
    • Hello, I've been following this thread and have some experience to share... Stand by for lots of words.   About 6 weeks ago, the engine seized on my car - 10 days before planning to use it for our 2 week trip around the UK!  I searched the internet for companies who could replace/rebuild the engine and get it back to me in time... One company that came up was 169 UK. I called the number and explained my predicament and the chap on the phone (who called himself Lee - I'm not convinced this was his real name) promised that if the vehicle got to him the next day or so, he'd have it done in time for our holiday!. He gave all kinds of reassurances about the types of vehicles they work on, from Porsches etc, even people from Spain taking their cars to him.. All work came through 3rd party websites (how i'd found them too) so you generally wont find reviews.    I was weary going into this, but you got to put your faith somewhere, right? so off it went on a trailer to Essex. NOW... I'd already asked where it would be going and I also tracked it by leaving a mobile phone hidden in the car. Interestingly, the place i was told i'd be collecting it from was not the same place the recovery guy (called Patrick?) told me he was delivering it to..    Anyway, they get the car and straight away tell me that the sump is full of diesel and that my ECU is faulty and its locked open one bank of injectors - causing the failure. All of this is feasible, but it meant that the car would not be ready in time for my holiday  He also tells me the DPF's (i'm sure it only has one, but he referred to there being more) were also completely blocked solid and needed to be dealt with (in this case, drilled and mapped out - which is also illegal) All of these little extras have now taken the cost from £3500 to nearly £5000  - as he was " putting together a special package for me" I tell him ok, i'm now away for 2 weeks so you have a little more time, i'll collect it when i get back.  I call him on the Friday before we travel home, asking how its going... he says "well, we aven't done it.. you said you were gonna be away for 2 weeks" apparently he marked to dairy wrong. So i call him again on the Monday following, I say I want to collect it that Thursday... not unreasonable. He then starts with the excuses that he has loads of guys off sick at the moment etc.. BUT, The car IS in the workshop and the boys ARE getting on with it. I say, OK.. but keep me updated daily as i need to make arrangements to come and get it. Tuesday passes without a word, so Wednesday morning i txt him asking for an update. He called me back around and hour later to tell me that the ECU they sourced for me is also faulty (they tested it before fitting it as they're nice like that) and it has water damage so he has to get another one, but that isn't going to get to him until the following Tuesday - which brings us up to this week.   Everything up until this point has been feasible if not a little annoying, BUT here is where is gets good...  On Sunday i happened to be in Essex on other business so decided to swing by Basildon and see if i could find my car. Knowing where it had been dropped off before the tracking phone died, i had a good idea where to look. And i also had the address of the garage where i'd be picking it up from. Hoping to not find it too easily - after all, it was being worked on on the Monday; Imagine my surprise to find it in the exact location it had been dropped off 4 weeks previously!  I lifted the bonnet - nothing had been touched.  The amount of dust on the bodywork and distinct lack of any hand prints etc strongly indicated that nothing had been touched and it certainly hadn't been moved in all that time. He may well have taken the ECU out to test but put it back, that's easy to do - but there is now way to tell from there that the DPF is blocked without removing it, or having full access to the ECU - which is faulty, remember?  It had all been LIES.  Now i am annoyed, but informed and he doesn't know that i know he's been lying to me.  I spent the next couple of days talking to various people i know and arranged my own recovery to get the car back - even if that meant effectively stealing it back. Long story short, i had it collected and got it back to me last night.  The guy who collected it went to the garage i'd been told i'd be collecting it from - Unit 28 Noble Square( Essex car and Commercial) and asked for Lee... Low and behold no-one by that name works there and the car (and others parked in the same place) were nothing to do with them! but then one guy did say "oh hang on, i think i know who you mean, let me give him a call"... 10 minutes later, 'Lee' showed up.  My man then had to endure conversation with this charlatan, but did glean some information that might be of interest.  "LEE" doesn't directly do any of this work... he takes on jobs, maybe up to 30 at a time and then farms them out to local garages. This explains why nothing had been done and why so many others get stuck in this net.   I was surprised that he was calm and didn't get the hump about me taking the car back, i still don't really understand what the scam is, but there definitely is one.  I think i've been very lucky that no money has been paid, i owe him nothing and i got out of there.  The amount of mental anguish and anxiety this has caused me has been extreme.  Now i'm back to square one, still with a broken car. But i'm only £500 out of pocket (for the recovery each way) and not £5k that it was supposedly going to cost... at some point, who knows when!     
    • Good luck from me as well Dixon, fingers crossed.    HB
    • Last time, the Judge provided me with, I would say, the most amount of time to speak. She started with HMRC, and they moved on to me. Essentially, since HMRC last responded to me (the original document I scribbled notes on), I feel it's right I should go first and just comment on each of their responses.   I'll leave sending that link to them, just in case HMRC then find something against it. I'll just bring it up, and mention the above quotes.
    • It's fine. Someone who deals with this more often than me will know.   HB
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Hello everyone. I browsed this site earlier in the week in search of accurate information and this seems to be one site where there's a lot of good, researched, advice....so I'm hoping you can help me.

 

Firstly, I make no excuses for what I did .....a few months ago I took an item (some makeup) which I did not pay for from Morrisons....similar story to one posted by a lady with a bag hung on her arm from M & S. In Morrisons, they have little bags for you to put lipsticks and eyeliner in etc., so that it doesn't slip through the holes in the shopping basket ...... Difference is, when I got to the checkout, I did realise that the bag was not visible by the counter assistant, and just placed the rest of my goods on the conveyor belt. I did think to myself at the time that I was being very stupid and reckless, but continued on anyway (had just lost my job the month before and money was tight).

Needless to say, I was stopped and taken to the security office. They then called the police station and an officer was despatched who asked for my details and some identification (which I provided). He then handcuffed me and escorted me to a waiting police car. This was mortifying as it was my local store and I was terrified a neighbour or friend would walk past .... whilst in the car, the officer explained that I would be finger printed and my dna taken, and I would be processed and prosecuted in court.

On arrival at the police station, the officer removed my handcuffs and spoke with the custody sergeant who advised the officer that as the goods were worth less than £40, it was a fixed penalty notice event.

The officer then took me to a private room and advised me that I was being "de-arrested". I had to state what had happened (he wrote this in his little black book and asked me to sign the bottom of the last page). I was then given a fixed penalty notice for £80 which I immediately paid. I then got a £110 charge from RPL (and immediately paid it). The security woman in Morrisons advised me that I was now banned from all Morrisons stores... I haven't been into the local one since, although my husband is wondering why I suddenly changed supermarkets, but I have been in a different Morrisons in another part of the country...how do they enforce these lifetime bans ?

At the end of this (sorry for going on ......) I just wondered in what capacity this will now affect future employment ? I have applied for several jobs which state either crb check or enhanced crb check, and I had also been looking into becoming a foster parent. None of my family or friends know anything about this ...I was too ashamed and disgusted with myself to even try to admit or explain.....any advice would be gratefully received......

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you shouldn't of paid the RPL bit as you've prob guesses by reading threads here.

its a [problem] and the 'store' sees none of the money.

 

as for the CRB, i'm not aware that FPN's were issued! for theft, however, if you were not formerly charged then you should be ok.

 

notr eally my scene.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Being "De arrested" is a formal Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) procedure that stops the process of arrest and the things that happen after an arrest ie fingerprints photograph and DNA. The fact that you were then issued a FPN for this does suggest that you do not have a criminal record as the record is made from the fingerprints. Fingerprints are taken at different stages of the criminal justice process to ensure that the person arrested is the one that is actually incarcerated in prison after sentence. Think of the FPN as a driving FPN. There will obviously be a record somewhere but not a criminal record, therefore CRB checks should be in the clear.

 

Now when you fill in forms for employers / insurance etc you must look at the wording very carefully. Is the question "Have you ever been CONVICTED of a criminal offence" then the answer is NO as a conviction happens in a court not a police station. If the question is "Have you ever been ARRESTED for a criminal offence" then the answer is YES.

 

Personally I would tell your husband. The support of family is often crucial in times of stress like this. Lies and deceit often lead to more lies and deceit and get one into more hot water.

 

Not sure how bans are enforced nationwide but suspect that you would end up paying more money for breaching it. I would be interested to know how this works too.

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If the question is "Have you ever been ARRESTED for a criminal offence" then the answer is YES.

 

I would have thought that as the OP was formally de-arrested, she could legitimately answer no to the question.

 

As for the nationwide ban, I'm sure it all sounds very impressive, but I think in the real world such things are pretty much unenforceable, and I don't see any practical way of identifying you in any other branch other than the one you were stopped in. Even if you were, I don't think they would do much beyond asking you to leave.

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Hey Huff&Puff........... I was wondering about how these companies can enforce a nationwide ban and years ago that would not be possible. However now in the digital age and face recognition technology I was also wondering if this was the method companies now use or are in the process of using.

 

Does anyone know? What is the method if any that they can enforce bans of entering their stores?

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I suppose facial recognition may be a possibility at some point in the future, but at he moment it's been a complete disaster very time it has been seriously tried. Even with the financial backing of governments they cannot get it to work properly, and from what I hear they are a very long way from solving the problems with it.

 

Do they take a photo when they take the details of the alleged offender? If they do, I wonder if there are grounds for refusal?

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Hey Huff&Puff........... I was wondering about how these companies can enforce a nationwide ban and years ago that would not be possible. However now in the digital age and face recognition technology I was also wondering if this was the method companies now use or are in the process of using.

 

Does anyone know? What is the method if any that they can enforce bans of entering their stores?

 

As the cost has greatly reduced some are using facial recognition & others are rolling it out. As to its reliability who knows until its been tried. In the meantime I look forward to the inevitable result of its use namely a retailer being sued for mistaken identity(s) resulting in amongst others false arrest, assault, kidnap, false imprisonment, defamation

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Nationwide bans are usually done by way of a photograph of any one they wish to ban. When I was a store detective at B&Q we had an entire wall in the security office of people to watch out for. On occasions one would get spotted and they would simply be escorted off the premises. The shop can ban anyone they do not wish to serve.

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Pricey for the avoidance of any doubt a FPN is NOT an admission of guilt nor can it be used/disclosed in any subsequent proceedings civil OR criminal

 

The CA says so in

Regina v Hamer

[2010] WLR (D) 235

 

I'm gonna have a closer look, later, but:

how does this stand when disclsosing, say, FPNs for speeding when applying for car insurance?

Carpe Jugulum

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I'm gonna have a closer look, later, but:

how does this stand when disclsosing, say, FPNs for speeding when applying for car insurance?

 

If as often happens an insurer asks if you have been 'convicted' of any motoring offence the answer is no An FPN is not a conviction or even admission of guilt

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