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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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I know the feeling . Black Horse Finance is run by disorganised ****

 

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Here's an outline of of my case progress so far:-

 

83% paid off. THREE County Court hearings. Want the score so far? Read on... Magistrates' Court Act 1980, Criminal Justice Act 1967 come to mind. See complete Tables of Events for Hire Purchase and / or Personal Loan on web site.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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hello spies 4 guests now!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Sorry to hear about your plight with BH. The information you have recieved off here is absolutely the right way to go. You have two issues (a) BH fudging the DN info

(b) Info held by the credit reference agencies. Personally, I would chase the SAR to BH, as once this is cleared up you have the ammo to bounce back at the Credit Ref Agencies. If BH do not comply you can also use the recorded delivery letters as proof to the Cred Ref Agencies too.

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all 3 credit agencies have now inspected my claims and removed the black horse account from each of there files

 

however still showing is monthly checks from debt collectors chasing up the debt on black horse behalf

my SAR request to Black horse been ignored and the cheques not cashed although recorded delivery shows signed for

 

If this is ilegal then they cant get into much trouble from it or it definately isnt worrying them

I have information from experian equifax and first call all showing black horse filing a account in June 2010 at the end of the default then in July 2010 nothing from them but reinstating a new account with new default date in September 2010

Credit expert and I quote after a lot of complaints and me demanding my SAR investigated thoroughly and concluded Black horse are outside the rules and guidelines in my case and should they continue would not be allowed to use there service

 

We hear of these rules and guidelines but basicly nothing happens

Ive complained to The Information Commissioner's Office and can show on paper they have repeatedly done this for over 8 years on all credit agency sites

 

and recieved nothing in return

honestly its all talk unless i find a solicitor and one that will fight not just take my money and talk it goes nowhere and Black horse know it

Its so blatant its almost laughable

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Forgive me for reviving this 2 years after you guys sorted this

For the 3rd time black horse has wrongly suddenly entered on all the agencys the same loan details and a new default date.

Im a member of credit expert and immediately this was confirmed via phone and the company rang black horse to inform them once again of the re issue of this placed a note on my credit file and a week later it was removed from Experian.

 

Im fed up 3 times now I have proof thatBlack horse changed default dates and submitted the entry to all refrence agencies yet im told this is totaly ilegal.

Bad news is im now financialy solvent and willing to pursue this I currently spend nearly £50 a month for past 10 years just to rectify this every time they do so.

The default has again ruined my credit history causing me both emotional and finacial problems.

Can someone please advise on what to do im sending Blackhorse a SAR again now

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As it stands the last time they just removed the default and returned the cheque

Then a week before xmas i get the alert and log in to find the default is back again.

This time i ring credit expert who intervene on my behalf

Ive had mail its been removed from Experian but not the other agencys

 

Our Ref: EXP/41037541

 

Dear Mr P~~~~~~~

Thank you for your telephone call, which we received on 21 December 2011.

 

YOUR QUERIES:

- Black Horse (Account started 18/12/01)

I HAVE REVIEWED YOUR REPORT AND CAN TELL YOU THAT:

The account has been removed.

- Arrow Global (Account started 05/04/2006)

 

WHAT I AM DOING FOR YOU:

I am contacting the company concerned for you. This is because I cannot amend the information without their consent.

I will let you know what they say as soon as they reply.

 

Whilst I investigate your comments

you can add the following statement to the information you have queried.

 

"THE CONSUMER HAS DISPUTED THE ACCURACY OF THIS ENTRY AND WE HAVE THEREFORE ASKED THE PROVIDER TO INVESTIGATE IT.

GIVEN THAT THIS DATA IS DISPUTED,

PLEASE TAKE CARE IF MAKING AN ASSESSMENT OF ANY KIND THAT MAY INCLUDE THIS DATA."

 

WHAT NEXT:

Let me know, by return email, if you would like the above statement adding to your report.

 

Kind regards A~~~~~~~ Customer Service Representative

Customer Support Centre

Experian Operations Experian Limited,

 

a company registered in England and Wales with registered number 653331 and whose registered office is at Landmark House,

Experian Way, NG2 Business Park, Nottingham, NG80 1ZZ

 

To: EXPEMA Information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential, and may not be copied or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor disclosed to any third party without our permission. There is no intention to create any legally binding contract or other binding commitment through the use of this electronic communication unless it is issued in accordance with the Experian Limited standard terms and conditions of purchase or other express written agreement between Experian Limited and the recipient. Although Experian has taken reasonable steps to ensure that this communication and any attachments are free from computer virus, you are advised to take your own steps to ensure that they are actually virus free. Companies Act information: Registered name: Experian Limited. Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, NG2 Business Park, Nottingham, NG80 1ZZ, United Kingdom. Place of registration: England and Wales. Registered number: 653331

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Have you got documentary proof of the

original default dates,if so as Cerberus says

complain to the ICO asap, also a complaint

to the OFT will help.

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bad news despite what they say its still there

 

ARROW GLOBAL LIMIT... Loan Default £7,303 18/12/2011 Hide

ENTRY NUMBER: C5

Name: MR D******* Address: ******** **** Company name: ARROW GLOBAL LIMITED Who's this? Account type: Loan Started: 05/04/2006 Default Balance: £7,303 Current Balance: £7,303

 

Defaulted On: 05/10/2006 File Updated for the Period to: 18/12/2011 Status history:

[] brackets indicate most recent months status [ hist_8.jpg ] What's this? Note: A defaulted account is removed from your report after six years whether or not you have paid the debt in full. If you have paid some of the debt off, the balance should show how much you still owe.

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Arrow Global is a debt purchase company

you can view the explantions on your online

report by just clicking on them.

See my advice in post 52 it is

the way forward, letter tennis is getting

you nowhere. imho.

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We tried this

they claim they are only acting on the information given to them by there client Black horse

problem is Black horse use a diffrent company every time and so credit expert mail them etc it gets removed as experian cannot remove it even though they can see its false

 

Im told its a big offence to report it etc and now going to 100% but what I dont understand is if its a big offence whey Black horse keep on doing this when its clear to everyone

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ok so who do i go to the information commisioners office?

 

I do not accept this as imcompetance for 13 years this problem repeatedly occus and causes me so much upset not to mention locking me out of possible deals i could get.

Ive been hounded and abused by blatant misleading lies had to suffer it until reading you guys advice started keeping paperwork (best advice ive read)

 

So they are wrong repeatedly and ive not just got the evidence on a single occasion but repeated blatant mis information bieng used to hound me into paying money in a systematic way

 

Surely this has to be ilegal?

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Go to the ICO website there is all the info there

for makng a complaint.

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What about taking out an injunction against them to demand that they no longer report on a statute barred debt? Is that an option?

 

if its legal to take the injunction out im in a position to proceed

 

might need to consult a solicitor

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What about taking out an injunction against them to demand that they no longer report on a statute barred debt? Is that an option?

If there is a way of doing this its a route i would take as it goes has this been done before?

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I only mention it as I had a problem with a parking ticket early last year. (I didn't know about the ticket and had issues getting into my mailbox. - It was full up from me avoiding everyone chasing me! Long story but it's all in the past now.) In any case, I engaged a 3rd party and we took them to court proving they'd not in fact issued a warrant and demanding that they return it forthwith. Fortunately for me, after a lot of blustering, the day before the hearing they backed down and returned my car. I really would get proper advice but the compelling point is that if what they are doing is unlawful (reporting on an out of time / statute barred debt) then a judge will demand that they no longer carry on with such actions. Failure to obey a judges instructions will result in someone going to jail. The companies really do listen when they get a court summons. (I know that the guy I used has been to court and I believe he's won many times.)

 

As an aside, the council did threaten me with legal fees if I lost (£5k lol) so I'd definitely make sure it's checked by someone that actually knows what they're doing but it really helped me. Still got the car now. :o)

 

(The worst thing was, if the bailiff had just knocked on the door and told me and charged me the fine plus £50 or so, I would have just paid it, but they're greedy liars and they got nothing.

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This seems to be going nowhere at present, have you at

any time used a Subject Access Request to Black Horse??

I am unclear as to who now actually owns this debt!!!:???:

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Im told by Experian Black horse say they own the debt

 

Funy thing is there is no debt ill explain why in a minute

 

Every time Black horse give the debt to a collection company the change the default date.

Credit expert notify the colection company who then check back with Black horse and delete the entry.

This is the 3rd time colection companys have done this now that I can prove but it has gone on since 2001

 

The story is in 2000 I bought a nearly new vectra and also at that time we had to take out PPI

within 3 weeks I was involved in a major traffic accident leaving me disabled and in hospital for nearly 7 months.

I had car insurance and payment nsurance etc so it all got paid out

A year later Black horse informed me the protection insurance would not cover me as I had missed a vital clause of there terms and conditions - I hadnt informed them within 28 days personaly about the accident.

It might of been the fact for 14 days i was in intensive care and medical letters etc show this or the fact at the time my wife informed the insurance company and Black horse finance of the situation and didnt realise Black horse finance and black horse insurance were too diffrent companys.

Anyway in 2001 it all went away etc heard nothing until 2004 when they registered a default on my credit file

 

Challenged this at the time and got told the default date was the date of the last payment on the loan ( later the removed the default)

 

This happened again in 2004 and then I joined credit expert to monitor things

 

As you can read this stayed on my credit file until 2 years ago when it legaly dropped off and a month later they re inserted it back on with yet again a diffrent default date

It was challenged after advice here and removed.

But xmas time it was back on again, a single default that crippled my credit rating yet again

its harrasment and realy making me physicly ill.

And the worst thing is its just demanding money and making my normal day to day expences expensive in the hope I agrea to pay it.

Im also told its ilegal and cant be done yet its happening once again and who do i complain to?

I spoke to an advisor at the information comissioners office and if I remember they cannot take action over cases like this they are not there to punish they are there to oversea correction implementation of the system is enforced and to advise the companys and nothing else

 

They can refer the case to a court but this is never ever done full stop in a company the size of Black horse, I mentioned the forum and it was mentioned research things well as companys this size do not get punished

 

As you can see I am in despair if its so wrong and ilegal why cant i just ring someone up pass them the paperwork and lety them investigate it?

This time i have to seek proffesional advice make a case in full before I can complain even there (information commisioners) website states full documentation must be shown when complaining

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