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Hi,

 

I just wanted some advice if anyone has anything that could be helpful. Last week I took out an informal grievance against a manager who has been bulling and harassing me - they have already received 3 other complaints from my colleagues that have only been discussed with those colleagues and not actioned. This manager has continued despite my warnings that if it continued I would make a grievance. I have hard evidence in email form of this, and also my supervisors account of a call I had to make to them to ask them to talk to the manager and ask them to stop bulling so that I may continue my job. After this a grievance was raised by myself. My manager above my supervisor is friends with this bullying manager (they socialise together) - I had made note in my grievance letter that this is a conflict of interest. However I now have a grievance hearing next week (great) only with the biased manager. Second to this at my supervision last week, this manager accounted that a grievance has been raised against me, but that they cannot go into detail. This is the first grievance raised against me in the 3.5 years I have worked for the company. I am never rude, always polite and one of the best at my job. I cannot even fathom what the grievance would be for. My manager also informed me they would be asking questions about this after my grievance hearing!

 

Is this allowed? Should I not be given information on what the grievance raised against me is? I have a feeling it will be my bully who has encouraged either a colleague of their or themselves raised an unfounded grievance, what action should I take? Does this not seem highly suspicious to anyone else? I take grievances seriously, and even my colleagues feel that this is a set up.

 

Please let me know what any of you know about laws on this stuff, or what my rights are, or what I can even do.

 

Thank you

 

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Hello and welcome to CAG. If you don't receive any replies, I would suggest that you contact ACAS's confidential helpline or check out their website, which could help you.

 

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Yeah I do plan to call them tomorrow... Thanks :-)

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Hi, I hope ACAS can help you. I would also suggest you check te company's disciplinary procedures and harassment policy, to make sure they're following them.

 

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In relation to the manager I believe it will be hard to prove that he is not impartial as they are friends. They will probably say that they are management and will act proffesional.

 

 

This is one way you may wish to deal with it but it will upset people so you can only judge if you think its the best course of action but there are laws to protect you so dont be scared of standing up for yourself.

I will try and offer impartial advice so sorry to sound patronising but be sure that he/she is bullying and harrassing staff. Ive seen it before where people have accused management of bullying just because the management are not very nice people and may not have the manners that you would expect. When I look back I have worked for some horrible nasty ignorant people but they never did cross that line into bullying.

 

 

Use the fact that they are friends to your advantage. Maybe send an informal email to your HR raising your concerns. As said before I dont think they will do much but this will highlight your worry and this manager will have to make double sure that he acts impartial. If you dont agree with the outcome you should be able to appeal and it should go to a totally different manager to investigate. If the person holding the hearing is acting unfair and is holding an unfair hearing you can also put a grievance in agianst him/her.

 

Get a copy of your contract, highlight every little breach of the contract they make. Also download the ACAS working guidelines and do the same. Point out as many breaches of procedure/contract you can.

 

Evidence as much as possible. Would your colleagues also back you up and provide statements to show this managements bad procedure?

 

In relation to the grievance against you I believe that they can ask you initial questions to form an investigation into whatever the grievance is against you. But it should be seperate from your grievance. I think its just a matter of seeing what they say but I dont believe they can drop it on your toes then conduct a dicsplinary hearing straight away. They will have to arrange a seperate date for this.

If it goes to a dicsiplinary hearing they should provide all evidence to you within good time so you can prpeare. ACAS also confirm this.


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I have been harassed and bullied for 5 years! I cannot get my head around the fact that there is NO law to cover bullying at work.

I have made complaints against supervisors and I too have found that they will close ranks! 2 years ago I made eleven allegations of harassment and bullying only to find that he made one against me, I was moved to facilitate and unhindered investigation and then found that all they wanted to do was discredit me thereby making my allegation null and void. Guess what? They didn't uphold ONE of my allegations!! Management corruption and bullying is rife in the public sector as well as private! (BTW I work for the MOD) This bullying is continuing, and I have attempted to take this to Employment Tribunal but they have rejected it.....I was told by Tribunal Online that I had a case and spent £411 paying for the priveledge, but that's on another topic!

 

You can only be harassessed if you fall into the categories Sex, Race, Religion, Sexual Orientation, Colour etc.

 

Angers me that if you are a heterosexual white male, you have NO legal redress!


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Check you have legal protection cover and if you don't have it .... get it fast, It only costs £20 to £30. It will cover employment disputes and is a life saver especially if a union fails to help you, assuming you are in a union.

 

There is a Bully site that is full of information http://www.bullyonline.org/

 

There is also a great support group called Workbully on Yahoo groups http://groups.yahoo.com/

 

Bullying is corrosive and your health may be affected or become affected so make sure you have a supportive GP.

 

Hope it works out.

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Check you have legal protection cover and if you don't have it .... get it fast, It only costs £20 to £30. It will cover employment disputes and is a life saver especially if a union fails to help you, assuming you are in a union.

 

There is a Bully site that is full of information http://www.bullyonline.org/

 

There is also a great support group called Workbully on Yahoo groups http://groups.yahoo.com/

 

Bullying is corrosive and your health may be affected or become affected so make sure you have a supportive GP.

 

Hope it works out.

 

Thanks for the information......I am currently off sick with Work Related stress so my GP is fully aware of the situation. Unfortunately no one in our organisation gives a toss. I have tried to make complaints and all they did was attempt and succeed to destroy MY credibility!

 

Betweeen a rock and a hard place comes to mind!!

 

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How long have you been off with work related stress?

 

My wife and I have just finished a similar work related stress ET claim that revolved around Disability discrimination. That lasted 3 years and took its toll on my wife.

 

Does your problem involve discrimination in any way?

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I am on my 2nd week of 3 weeks sick leave.......I have been singled out for unfair treatment as I don't conform to their idea of playing ball. If there is a breach of policy and procedures, then I will stand up for myself. My line manager is next to useless, and I have been to him with one complaint about a colleague deliberately ignoring me and making me feel uncomfortable (we have had a history where he accused me of bullying 4 years ago.....which wasn't upheld) and he advised me not to talk to the person involved! What a cop out!

 

We have a management structute that likes to take the money, but wants a quiet life and doesn't want anybody 'rocking the boat'!

 

Adam


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