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A city council is owed almost £4 million in unpaid parking fines by drivers of foreign-owned vehicles, it has been revealed.

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Related content Westminster Council said it is powerless to recoup the money as UK authorities cannot trace the drivers overseas.

 

The council said the problem is particularly bad in central London where super-cars can regularly be seen parking on yellow lines, in bus lanes or in residents' parking bays.

The council said drivers of foreign-owned cars and motorbikes owed it almost £4 million in unpaid fines over the last three years, with more than 80% of overseas drivers refusing to pay for tickets.

The council took the unusual step of revealing "high profile" offenders, such as the owner of a £300,000 Rolls Royce Phantom with the number plate 3HVB, which has racked up 18 tickets and more than £2,000 in fines.

Another high profile offender is the owner of a £1.2 million Bugatti Veyron L'Edition Centenaire - one of the fastest and most expensive production super-cars in the world with a top speed of 250mph - with the number plate 444.

The owner has an outstanding ticket for parking outside a main entrance to Selfridges department store in the heart of the West End dating back to March.

The owner of a £50,000 Hummer with the number plate U19HPS, whose car is registered in America, owed £4,000 after being issued more than 35 tickets. The tickets were written off but the vehicle has since clocked up 10 more tickets and owes £1,100.

Westminster Council is now calling for a change in legislation that would allow local authorities access of overseas driver and vehicle registration data and enable them to enforce parking fines.

Cabinet member for parking, Cllr Lee Rowley, said: "British taxpayers can no longer foot the bill for foreign motorists who seem to think the rules of this country do not apply to them. We would like to see a more rigorous system put in place to hold these drivers to account and send a clear message that this blatant disregard of the law will not be tolerated."

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Cabinet member for parking, Cllr Lee Rowley, said: "British taxpayers can no longer foot the bill for foreign motorists who seem to think the rules of this country do not apply to them.

 

Whilst I don't approve of the foreign drivers parking anywhere and not paying penalty charges, I also fail to see why the "British taxpayer" is footing the bill. Parking fines are not supposed to be revenue raising, therefore the council has not lost anything from it's budget and the British taxpayer is not making up a budget shortfall as there isn't one.

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Whilst I cannot condone breaking the law, occasionally you read something that gives you a nice, rosy glow, inside!

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Whilst I don't approve of the foreign drivers parking anywhere and not paying penalty charges, I also fail to see why the "British taxpayer" is footing the bill. Parking fines are not supposed to be revenue raising, therefore the council has not lost anything from it's budget and the British taxpayer is not making up a budget shortfall as there isn't one.

 

Enforcement costs money the time taken to issue, process and if needed cancel the tickets all costs Council tax payers money as does maintaining the car parks they don't bother paying to use.

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Whilst I cannot condone breaking the law, occasionally you read something that gives you a nice, rosy glow, inside!

 

 

I'm not sure someone that has just paid £30 out of their hard earned wages because they overstayed in a Car park would be so happy to see millionaires parking for free on double yellows.

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Is there any reason why these vehicles cannot be clamped or towed? The council will then demand payment before releasing the vehicle.

 

Westminster don't clamp or tow and if they did it would be unlawful to just target foreign drivers as potential non payers. The LLA 2008 does give London Councils powers to tow non payers but as yet its only being trialed in 3 Councils.

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Westminster don't clamp or tow and if they did it would be unlawful to just target foreign drivers as potential non payers. The LLA 2008 does give London Councils powers to tow non payers but as yet its only being trialed in 3 Councils.

 

I was not aware. When you say don't clamp or tow do you mean this is a policy rather than a legal issue? I ask because I thought that under the TMA 2004 councils are lawfully entitled to tow or clamp persistent evaders. I agree it would be wrong to target foreign vehicles but if they happen to be persistent evaders and the law allows towing or clamping then why don't Westminster utilise this to recoup the money owed?

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I was not aware. When you say don't clamp or tow do you mean this is a policy rather than a legal issue? I ask because I thought that under the TMA 2004 councils are lawfully entitled to tow or clamp persistent evaders. I agree it would be wrong to target foreign vehicles but if they happen to be persistent evaders and the law allows towing or clamping then why don't Westminster utilise this to recoup the money owed?

 

They do not clamp or tow as a matter of policy but even if they did they can only tow persistent offenders under the TMA if parked in contravention so the CEO would need to check every time they issued to see if the vehicle was 'wanted' as a non payer and have a truck on stand by incase they found one which isn't really practical. The LLA 2008 however allows Councils to tow non payers if they are parked legally and still have outstanding PCNs.

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They do not clamp or tow as a matter of policy but even if they did they can only tow persistent offenders under the TMA if parked in contravention so the CEO would need to check every time they issued to see if the vehicle was 'wanted' as a non payer and have a truck on stand by incase they found one which isn't really practical. The LLA 2008 however allows Councils to tow non payers if they are parked legally and still have outstanding PCNs.

 

Mate they are not offenders. This is a civil matter.

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Mate they are not offenders. This is a civil matter.

 

You need to invest in a dictionary..

 

offence US, offense [əˈfɛns]

n 1. a violation or breach of a law, custom, rule, etc.

 

I never said it was a criminal offence just because its dealt with as a civil contravention you are still 'offending' by contravening a law.

 

A moving traffic contravention is—(a)an offence under section 36 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) of failing to comply with the indication given by a traffic sign that is subject to civil enforcement (see paragraph 9), or

(b)an offence of failing to comply with a traffic order in so far as it makes provision for a requirement, restriction or prohibition that is conveyed by a traffic sign subject to civil enforcement.

 

 

Decriminalisation has not made it legal to breach traffic orders but has given local authorities the power to deal with them via the civil system.

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Personally I can't see anyway round this other than clamping or towing. If the 'policy' isn't there for this then the problem will continue. Not rocket science is it? Surely they know the 'hot'spots' and with CCTV at their disposal, a tow truck could be in situ within minutes. If the authority is loosing £4m in fines, it's worth having tow trucks on stand by I would of thought.

 

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Personally I can't see anyway round this other than clamping or towing. If the 'policy' isn't there for this then the problem will continue. Not rocket science is it? Surely they know the 'hot'spots' and with CCTV at their disposal, a tow truck could be in situ within minutes. If the authority is loosing £4m in fines, it's worth having tow trucks on stand by I would of thought.

 

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Some foreign vehicles do however pay so it would be highly dubious if not unlawful just to zoom around towing away every foreign vehicle seen with a PCN on. The law is there to clamp those that don't pay however it is not that cost effective if you don't clamp vehicles that don't have multiple PCNs. You have to have staff on call 24/7 to release the clamp, staff to clamp the vehicles and I suspect the £4m figure includes all those that don't pay not just foreign cars such as those with no keeper.

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Personally I can't see anyway round this other than clamping or towing. If the 'policy' isn't there for this then the problem will continue. Not rocket science is it? Surely they know the 'hot'spots' and with CCTV at their disposal, a tow truck could be in situ within minutes. If the authority is loosing £4m in fines, it's worth having tow trucks on stand by I would of thought.

 

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I am sure that Westminster are painting a wrong picture. Knowing them they wouldnt let people off the hook to the tune of 4m ? If a foi is done the truth should come out.Then again westminster being themslves would be able to get some sort of figures sorted out

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You need to invest in a dictionary..

 

offence US, offense [əˈfɛns]

n 1. a violation or breach of a law, custom, rule, etc.

 

I never said it was a criminal offence just because its dealt with as a civil contravention you are still 'offending' by contravening a law.

 

A moving traffic contravention is—(a)an offence under section 36 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) of failing to comply with the indication given by a traffic sign that is subject to civil enforcement (see paragraph 9), or

(b)an offence of failing to comply with a traffic order in so far as it makes provision for a requirement, restriction or prohibition that is conveyed by a traffic sign subject to civil enforcement.

 

 

Decriminalisation has not made it legal to breach traffic orders but has given local authorities the power to deal with them via the civil system.

 

If a PCN has "Date of OFFENCE" then it's non compliant and not enforceable. It must say "date of contravention" If you're going to be pedantic then be precise as well.

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