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    • Good Evening,    I am looking for advice on where to turn next, as I have been trying for a few weeks to get a refund from Amazon, who are not  actioning my request. I don't know where to turn now, I was thinking of going to my Credit Card issuer and trying the Section75 route, but i'm not sure if that is applicable in my case? Or if there is something else I should try first. Below is the issue;  August 7th - I purchased an item (Item#1) - Expensive £634 August 10th - Item arrives. Inside the box (of the 'right' item) was NOT the correct item. Immediately got on to Amazon Chat and spoke to a CustomerService rep, who I explained to that inside the box was not what was expected, I explained what WAS in the box, and he said he was sorry, he will order a replacement. And to send back the incorrect item. I closed up the box, taped it back up, and immediately went to the post office to send it back. I have the tracking number which shows the date and time I sent it, and when it was received by them. August 12th - Tracking says Item#1 received by Amazon at SDC. August 13th - replacement item (Item#2) arrives. _ Now, ridiculous as it may be, I did realise in this time that the item I purchased would not be suitable for what I wanted, as I didn't have the means to power it. So I decided I would return this item. August 15th - I went through normal Amazon return process to return this item. And returned it that same day. August 19th - Item#2 return received by Amazon SDC. August 19th - Also on the 19th, I receive an email from 'Account Specialist' (no name) regarding Item#1, advising they had received a 'different item' ,  and that I had 'repeated problems with returns on my account'. And to reply to that e-mail to 'appeal'. I was literally thinking, WHAT THE ACTUAL F. - I've never returned anything before, an RMA for a mouse is all I can remember EVER returning, and I don't think that was even with Amazon. That was about 6 years ago. So I reply to the e-mail, asking WHAT 'repeated problem returns' they are on about? And the fact the item IS incorrect, as that is why it was returned...  Sept 3rd - I receive this response from said 'Specialist' email.   I go on the chat to ask what this means, they don't know and tell me they're 'awaiting the return of the item (Item#1) - please reply to the 'Specialists' email (which I had.) All the e-mails are messed up and all over the place, as Amazon use a different e-mail EVERY time they send one. So i've found it hard to track them. But anyway, forward a little bit further, I receive another e-mail from the 'Specialist' Sept 16th - Email from 'Specialist' EH??? So what does this mean? Nothing apparently, as I then go back on chat with Customer Service and they just say 'Sorry can't do anything we can't action a refund and no idea what is going on'. Then... Sept 16th - I get email from Customer Service (not 'Specialist') So I reply, with the tracking and order number. Well, it goes nowhere because you can't reply to customer service emails!! So I basically send THAT email AND my response to the 'Specialist' email. No response thus far. I go on Chat Again, they do the same spiel and don't look at anything, don't want to know anything, just say 'Can't do anything, have a nice day.' Now, some may be wondering - Why don't you just ring them!? - Well, I can't use phones easily. I am hard of hearing and REALLY struggle to understand people generally, let alone on the phone. Now factor in ringing Amazon. The line is terrible, with someone speaking hard to understand English the other end of the phone. Good luck to me! Anyhow, on one of the emails a little later on, someone said 'Please ring us to sort this issue as we are unable to action the refund through chat, as we need to do security checks which we can only do through the phone.' Fast forward Sept 30th - I go on the Amazon site get Amazon to call me, after perservering with trying to understand the woman the other end, essentially saying 'Can't do a refund reply to email' - then hangs up on me. I get them to ring back again. A different Customer Service rep this time, exactly the same answer please go on hold I will get my supervisor - 6 minutes later, hangs up. Now, unexpectedly, that second guy actually e-mailed with a follow up about 30 minutes later! Not that useful mind. But still.   Now... I thought, right so, what? The original person put it down as 'defective' and i've said over and over it was an incorrect item?? So because of THAT I am not getting a refund?? So I ring up again, explain what has just happened, woman on phone just says 'oh i'm sorry but let me check for you, oh i can't action anything my end.' I then go on twitter - simply saying So what is up with no help from customer service then Amazon? to their amazonhelp twitter. I actually got a reply, and a PM from them - they gave me a form to fill in. From that I got exactly the same Customer Service reply as before. Even after explaining basically ALL of this. They just ignore all of it. And copy and paste a standard reply. I don't know what to do. I'm completely lost and don't know how to get through to what surmounts to *as many insults as I can here* of Amazon customer service people. Anyone know where I can go from this? What can I do? Try Section75? Or chargeback? Or some other solution? It was done on Mastercard, It was through Amazon, not marketplace or a third party seller. Or am I missing something.  
    • Just to give an update on this case, I have never received any further information from Minster Baywatch. I never responded to them either.
    • him rejecting the offer bears no relevance    
    • dx100's suggestion at #128 is better than mine - it's more immediate and more no-nonsense than my suggestion.  And yes, the dealer's stringing you out for more time.   The only thing I would try to work into dx100's wording is something to clarify that the dealer had rejected your offer before you are now withdrawing it with immediate effect.  I don't think it's absolutely necessary but just ties up the loose ends.
    • as  PM advice is not allowed for the record...   other than names the PM msg of emails quite is ok to go to this thread and it's total BS on his behalf,   he knows full well the legislation and has taken you for a fool from day one. nothing he is saying will ever sway a judge. he has been trading for years i bet...   send that email.
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Can a DCA insisit that a SAR request be made to them and not the OC?


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Not sure how the land lies with this one. OH has a student loan with exorbitant charges. We sent off a SAR request to SLC and back has come a letter from Thesis stating that we need to formally request it from them. However SLC have also written to advise us when we can expect the requested documents.

 

Is this correct? OH doesn't have a notice of assignment from Thesis/SLC so I think that SLC still own it. :???:

 

Does a SAR cover all data held (i.e. if there were other loan agreements would we need to send a separate SAR for each?).

 

TIA :)

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Its your right to request a SAR from any company that holds information about you provided you pay the required fee of £10. You don't need permission from anybody, especially a dca.

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Thanks for the swift reply Baileyboy. What is confusing me is that the DCA are insisting we make the request of them and not the OC. What can my OH say to them that will make them understand a SAR has already been requested for the agreement? Is there any legislation regarding this? My sceptical nose smells it as a ploy to get payment towards a debt which is more than likely statute barred...

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Thanks for the swift reply Baileyboy. What is confusing me is that the DCA are insisting we make the request of them and not the OC. What can my OH say to them that will make them understand a SAR has already been requested for the agreement? Is there any legislation regarding this? My sceptical nose smells it as a ploy to get payment towards a debt which is more than likely statute barred...

 

Your OH can tell them to Foxtrot Oscar. A DCA has NO rights at all, NONE, not a diddly.

 

So tell them that.

 

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With regard to your question, a SAR should return ALL information they hold, covering all Agreements etc. that you have with them. You only need to send 1 request.

 

If it were me I would write back to the DCA and ask them to inform you, in writing the reasons for their insistence.

Every journey begins with a single step :):)

 

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The only person entitled to your Personal Finance details is a Judge not a DCA

 

Move all banking activity to another banking group if you have a dispute - your funds can be used to offset debts within the same group.

Be careful with Banking details (card/account numbers) as these can be used to take unauthorised payments.

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Thanks Harrassed senior I will, as they implied in their letter that OH had to send a SAR for each agreement. The more I think about it, the more I think it is a ploy to get information on other accounts he may or may not have, and to start the clock ticking on the SB debt. (It's from 1998).

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Definitely SB then.

Every journey begins with a single step :):)

 

Please note: I have no qualifications in this area - my advice is learned from the wonderful members of this Forum. Thanks to you all for your help.

 

If you have found my post helpful please leave a short message by clicking the star to the left of my profile - Thank You

 

The only person entitled to your Personal Finance details is a Judge not a DCA

 

Move all banking activity to another banking group if you have a dispute - your funds can be used to offset debts within the same group.

Be careful with Banking details (card/account numbers) as these can be used to take unauthorised payments.

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