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    • You will be subject to the same laws notice periods and protections as with any length of contract.    From my own and other’s personal experience I would treat it as an amber warning light to start putting out feelers into what’s out there on the market   A 6 month contract is great for people who might be waiting for a new build , or having renovations done on their own property. For someone like yourself who wants security it might well be time for you to consider moving on.
    • Thank you. You still haven't given as much information. We need more. Please will you tell us who the retailer is – are they in UK or elsewhere? What was the item and what is its value? Did you declare the correct value? Or did the retailer declare the correct value? You say you paid by credit card – not a debit card against your bank account? Please read around all the Hermes threads on this forum. There is lots of good information there. In particular understand your rights under the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999.
    • I am sorry, but without seeing the contract, and knowing what is on it or what effect it has, it is impossible to say.     
    • A16 BYN is the plates that the car was advertised with, and obviously the plate which I checked the mot history with, I also thought the same that the website maybe hadn't been updated with the most recent mot that the dealer had got done, I asked for the original plate number whilst doing the logging in to my bank account, to pay both the dealer and the shiply transporter. Bearing in mind I had told the dealer around 6pm that I would get the deposit sorted out when I put my son to bed, that gave him every opportunity to send me any pre contract details etc. Just over an hour later (son still wasn't in bed) asked for the address of where the vehicle was to be picked up from as I couldn't accept the quote for the transporter without that information. Less than an hour after that he whatsapped me asking if I still want to buy the car because he's getting enquiries from other interested parties and is telling them that he's sold the car to me (no deposit  paid as yet). I then replied a few min later having finally got my son to sleep.    Anyway between me sorting out the details and where to pick the car up from, log into my banking to pay deposits etc he'd  messaged me the original plate no... which I didn't see until after I'd done all the aformentioned.    I decided to check the history on that plate as like yourself I had been confused about the mileage, low and behold there was the most recent mot containing 5 advisories which were never mentioned to me. Another thing I can't really understand is the expiry date of the mot before that either and I did query all of this with the dealer, only to be told that cars in Scotland are renowned for corrosion issues...and that if I had checked the mot history I would have seen them, I explained I had checked the history on the plate in the advert as I had no knowledge of what the original plate numbers were and he told me that the most recent mot was under the plate in the advert. Most certainly the mot certificate he then sent me on whatsapp had the advertised plate on the certificate,  however, it wasn't showing up on the dvla page.    By this stage I was irate with him for several reasons, for not notifying me of the advisories and telling me that he had checked the dvla and the most recent mot was showing up on the advertised plates, I then screenshot the page with the expiry and this car is not mot'd information, and 2 for telling me that cars in Scotland are renowned for corrosion issues!    Had he simply said, the car is 18 years old you're going to expect to have some corrosion at some point, I'd have been a bit more tolerant at that stage. Apon checking the history on the original plates, it transpired it passed the last MOT previous to the most recent one on the same day the advertised plates ran out, I still haven't quite fathomed out what is going on regards to this. However the previous mot showed no corrosion issues and as it hadn't failed on that basis, I would get the panel beater sprayer mentioned in an earlier post to have a look at it, and sort the issues out re that, also the main reason I had the car delivered to my dad's address as that's also the area where the panel beaters business is.  
    • I had a similar thought, TJ. The Guardian has done an explainer of the rules as of yesterday.   Someone said that if the government, had retained public trust, they might not have needed stringent measures like this.   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/28/england-new-coronavirus-restrictions-explained
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    • I’m in desperate need of help
       
      I bought some clothes online in may through Evans and paid through PayPal
      returned them all seven days later
       
      I waited the 14days for my refund and no refund came
      I put in a dispute through PayPal but I didn’t get any emails to escalate the case - PayPal closed it. 
      evans said they couldn’t refund the money because PayPal have cancelled the refund because of the open dispute
       
      I contacted PayPal
      they said the dispute had been closed but Evans at no point had attempted a refund.
      fast forward to today
       
      I’ve got copies of numerous messages sent to and from twitter messages as it’s the only way I can contact them
      I’ve also contacted their customer service too
      all I get is PayPal have cancelled refund because dispute is still open.
       
      I have proved that the dispute is closed
      I have got an email saying that if Evans sent the refund they would accept it
      but up until the date I got the email they have not once attempted a refund .
       
       I have sent them a letter before court email
      I have even offered to have the full refund as a gift card just to get this sorted !
       
      I’m literally at the end of my tether and don’t know where to turn next !
       
      i suffer with mental health issues and this is affecting my health and I’d saved the money for a year to buy these clothes as I’m on a low income .

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I was going through my bank statement on-line to day and spotted Direct Debit (DD) had been taken a few days ago for the amount of £20.00! Now this was my company account and I only have 3 DD on this and I know them well and none should have been for £20.00.

 

The info shown was LV LIFE with a reference number next to it. I called the bank to find out what it was! I was told that it was a DD that had been set up with out the need for a signature and had been set up to take £20.00 every month for Life Insurance. I asked how this was possible as I had not instructed this DD. I was told that as the set up had been made by the Insurance company using a method that did not require a signature the bank could do nothing to stop it being set up!

 

I told my bank that we had no dealings with LV LIFE ( Liverpool Victoria Insurance) and had never instructed them or provided them with our account details and instructed them to cancel the DD and reclaim the payment. I'm happy to report that the bank did this immediately.

 

However what is concerning is that this was ever allowed in the first place! Also the bank stated that other than cancelling the DD they could not investigate any further. They said I would need to contact the company to find out why the DD had been set up.

I explained that we had no dealings with LV LIFE and would not know who to contact but the bank was insistent that we would need to contact them!

 

I was not happy with this and asked for the complaint to be raised with the banks fraud section which they said they would and I'm waiting to be contacted by them.

 

Just thought that this might be useful as a warning to others to check there bank statements as apparently any company can set up a direct debit on your account without having to tell you and the banks just accept this and payout! If you don't spot it and cancel it you lose your money so be careful.

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This has been the case for the last 10 years. No signature is required, and the merchant simply asserts they have a valid request from their customer and will indemnify the bank (under the DD scheme) if there is an error. As you discovered, the money was taken by a 'reputable' company, but just as it is possible to enter into binding contracts without signing them, this situation should not surprise you.

 

The way round it is to tell your bank that the account CANNOT be used for DDs, and a block put in place that prevents this happening, however your 3 existing DDs would have to be cancelled and an alternative payment method found. It is also not commonly known, but even after 'cancellation' the originating merchant can reestablish the mandate automatically up to 367 days from the last debit taken - therefore you need to ensure that the electronic mandate is not simply cancelled but removed from your account profile.

 

Of course, they could set it up again (or a new company could simply provide your trading name, sort code and account number and the money leeches from your account once more. And all perfectly legal under the Banking Codes, so it is vitally important the you check each and EVERY statement for these mandates. You will not get far with the fraud section, as this will be classed as (a) an error or (b) incompetence. As there was no intention to defraud, there's nothing for them to investigate.

 

If money is taken in this way, the best you can hope for is a refund (only) no consequential loss. If it takes you more than 6 months to spot it, be prepared for only the last 6 months to be credited, as the banks will hold you jointly liable to check the statements they send.

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Following fraud on my account, my bank was instructed to accept only one of two types of DD - signed and authorised (the other being electronic and requiring no signature) - but I think this might vary from bank to bank - considering this bank refunded the fraudulant debits around 2 hours after discovering them. I know I was extremely lucky, but it might be worth speaking to the bank to ask how to prevent this from happening - they may have a process.

Lived through bankruptcy to tell the tale! Worked in various industries and studied law at university. All advice is given in good faith only :)

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make them refund it under the dd guarantee....

you received NO written notice of the amount, therefore it breaks the dd guarantee.

 

totally unlawful.

 

done this 3 times in the last 5 or so years.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

 

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

 

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

 

 

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Your bank is fooling you. There is NO mechanism to permit one type of DD over another. You cannot have overlooked that the DD sysatem originally required a specified date and amount for all debits, until in the mid 90's this changed to 'unspecified amounts on unspecified dates'. This major change meant the death of customer control, and there was no publicity as the changeover happened at the same time as the switch to electronic authorisation. Everyone is now on the latter type, irrespective of what was originally agreed.

 

You either have DD's active on your account, or you do not. There is no mid-way.

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make them refund it under the dd guarantee....

you received NO written notice of the amount, therefore it breaks the dd guarantee.

 

totally unlawful.

 

done this 3 times in the last 5 or so years.

 

dx

 

You'll find this has been watered down - there is bo requirement for 'written notice' in the conventional sense - You can be told you'll pay a variable amount on or after X date each month, and that complies. If you are expecting a letter each time a debit is taken. this is not insisted on. Telcos that offer paper-free billing, that require the user to log in and view their bill is a case in point, as was the reduction in the notice period of 10-12 days to just 7.

 

They really do make this up as they go along.

 

PS: Did you stick that advert in?

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Your bank is fooling you. There is NO mechanism to permit one type of DD over another. You cannot have overlooked that the DD sysatem originally required a specified date and amount for all debits, until in the mid 90's this changed to 'unspecified amounts on unspecified dates'. This major change meant the death of customer control, and there was no publicity as the changeover happened at the same time as the switch to electronic authorisation. Everyone is now on the latter type, irrespective of what was originally agreed.

 

You either have DD's active on your account, or you do not. There is no mid-way.

 

There are two - paper and paperless, my bank were instructed not to receive paperless direct debits and only paper ones which require my signature which can be verified....to this day, they will not accept any direct debit instruction which does not carry my signature - which is a pain. For example, I cannot use a "verified" method of payment through DD on Paypal - my bank rejected the DD setup. Each organisation is obliged to use paper DD if requested by the customer, which is what I have to do otherwise I pay by either standing order or manual payments. This is only one of my account, which I do not use for my mainstream bits, but as a deposit account so it's not a huge inconvenience.

 

But I was simply pointing out that by enquiring with the bank how to prevent fraudulant activity, this was an option given to me and I took it. And it has worked.

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I'm told that no paper DD's are being accepted by banks (still awaiting for the date this happened), but they confirm it may be a certain bank 'initiative' but it is not possible to block electronic DD's whilst allowing 'paper' ones to process normally. They also added that the ability to set price limits and transfer dates has also been lost (irrespective of the set up used), meanig SOs are the only way to do this.

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Buzby is correct. If you receive a paper dd from a company and you fill it in and sign it and send it back to the company - A few years ago they used to send a copy to the bank to confirm the dd - this has not happened in the last few years. Whoever told you this is wrong and you need to go back and make a complaint. They only have an electronic service now.

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I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, I am saying that I have two bank accounts due to the fact that my original bank account (Citi) will NOT accept DD instructions without my signature, therefore I cannot have a DD on the vast majority of bills and payments etc - and whilst a pain, it has protected me from fraud for the past 5 years. This is not to say this is how each bank operate, so I only use my Citi account as a savings account and have a debit card for easy access. I wanted to show an example of what happened when I asked the bank how to prevent fraud from occuring on my account again, and this is what they did - my account is enhanced so that me and only me can set up payments with a signature. The amount of letters I received from companies saying my DD instruction had been refused by my bank, purely because I had not filled in an auth form showed that this was one way they were combatting fraud. As I said, I was refunded in a matter of hours and not days, which pays credit to the way some banks will treat their customers and deal with things such as fraud.

 

I'm not saying that other banks do this, and most will not, but it was highlighting an example.

Lived through bankruptcy to tell the tale! Worked in various industries and studied law at university. All advice is given in good faith only :)

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