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Hi, hopefully someone could give me advice.

 

I've just travelled from Newcastle to Glasgow and as I did not have my YP railcard with me I have been given a £55 fine.

 

I have just returned from Cyprus and I lost my purse out there which contained my railcard. I intended on buying a new one before my connecting train, however, my flight from Paphos to Newcastle was delayed by 4 hours which left me 20 minutes to get from the airport to the train station, so in the end I did not have time to buy a new one.

 

Consequently, I have been fined £55 to cover the cost of a new ticket. Is it worthwhile appealing? My old ticket was taken off me and I wasn't given a new train ticket. Is this the usual procedure?

 

Thanks.

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Hi, hopefully someone could give me advice.

 

I've just travelled from Newcastle to Glasgow and as I did not have my YP railcard with me I have been given a £55 fine.

 

I have just returned from Cyprus and I lost my purse out there which contained my railcard. I intended on buying a new one before my connecting train, however, my flight from Paphos to Newcastle was delayed by 4 hours which left me 20 minutes to get from the airport to the train station, so in the end I did not have time to buy a new one.

 

Consequently, I have been fined £55 to cover the cost of a new ticket. Is it worthwhile appealing? My old ticket was taken off me and I wasn't given a new train ticket. Is this the usual procedure?

 

Thanks.

The £55 Penalty Fare is getting off lightly, as by your own admission (unless I'm wrong here...) you boarded the train with the discounted rail ticket, knowing that you didn't have the YP card that entitles you to this ticket. You could have been reported for the offence and gone to court. You can always appeal, but to be honest I very much doubt there's any point. You were not entitled to the ticket, which is why it was taken from you, so in these circumstances it is the correct protocol.

 

I fail to see how you 'purchasing' a new railcard was ever an option, as I was always under the impression that you have to apply via post or online for these things, and not just buy them over the counter.

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The Conditions of Issue & Use of the Railcard are reproduced here:

 

Conditions of issue and use of the 16-25 Railcard (formerly Young Persons Railcard) and reduced priced tickets ('discounted tickets') bought with a 16-25 Railcard

 

 

 

ATOC Ltd enters into the contract for the issue and use of the 16-25 Railcard on behalf of the Train Companies. Reference to a ‘Train Company’ or the ‘Train Companies’ means those Train Companies which, pursuant to a franchise agreement, operate Passenger Railway Services in Great Britain. Any other licensed passenger train operators that may join the arrangement will accept the 16-25 Railcard for travel on their services.

  1. You must sign the Railcard before use to show acceptance of all the Conditions as stated here.
  2. You must be aged 16-25 years old to purchase Railcard. Mature students are also eligible to purchase the 1-year Railcard if over 26 years old and in full time education (with valid proof). 3-year 16-25 Railcards are available online only and may be purchased up until the day before your 24th birthday.
  3. The Railcard and tickets bought with it are not transferable and must not be given, loaned, or resold to anyone else.
  4. Railcards purchased online will incorporate your photograph. If you have a Railcard that does not incorporate your photograph, you must carry a separate 16-25 Photocard (or where appropriate a ‘Permit to travel without Photocard’) and you must present this in any circumstance where you present your Railcard (buying tickets or travelling with reduced priced tickets).
  5. Tickets for your journey should be purchased before boarding the train and when buying tickets you must show the Railcard.
     
  6. You must carry your Railcard with you on your journey and when asked by rail staff, you must show a valid ticket and valid Railcard. If you fail to do so, you will be required to pay the full price Standard Single fare for your journey as if no ticket was purchased before starting the journey and in some cases a Penalty Fare. This does not apply if there was no ticket office at the station at which you began your journey or if the ticket office was closed and there was no ticket machine from which you could buy a discounted ticket.
  7. A £12 minimum fare applies for journeys made at or before 10am Monday to Friday excluding Advance Fares.This minimum fare does not apply on Public Holidays or during July and August. Please refer to minimum fares.
  8. Discounted tickets are not valid for travel in First Class, except for some First Class Advance fares with selected Train Companies and upgrades to First Class at weekends upon payment of the appropriate supplement (all subject to availability).
  9. The Railcard will not be valid if it is damaged. The Train Companies do not undertake to replace damaged, lost or stolen Railcards, or to issue refunds on unused/ unwanted Railcards, or to extend their validity. However, an application for the replacement of a Railcard may be made at any staffed station ticket office (the completed ‘Receipt’ voucher of the original application form must be produced). Where the Railcard was purchased online, customers may only request a replacement online at www.16-25railcard.co.uk. A £5 administration fee will be payable for the replacement of a damaged or lost Railcard. No fee will be charged for the replacement of a stolen Railcard provided you have a crime reference number/documentation issued by the Police. You will be requested to show some form of identification if obtaining a replacement from a station.
  10. The Railcard and all tickets issued at a Railcard discount are issued subject to the National Rail Conditions of Carriage and the Conditions listed here. Copies of the National Rail Conditions of Carriage are available from any staffed station ticket office or online at www.nationalrail.co.uk/nrcc/.
  11. The Railcard does not become your property and if requested must be handed in to a representative of any Train Company.
  12. The right is reserved to revise these Conditions. The Train Companies will endeavour to give three months’ notice of any changes before they are due to come into effect.

These conditions are actually signed for as accepted and understood when you make out the form to apply for your railcard.

 

You will see that condition 6 makes clear that if you do not have the railcard with you, then you will be treated as if no ticket is held.

 

Stigy is right, you boarded knowing that you didn't have the railcard and therefore the staff action is correct

 

You can apply for and buy a Railcard over the counter and the correct action for you would have been to go to the booking office, buy a new railcard and catch a later train

Edited by Old-CodJA

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