Never Paint Again / All Seasons Wall Systems - Warranty Issue

[imaginarynumber]

Just noticed that the MSE thread has been deleted- whats that about? are they in the habit of deleting of 10 page threads just because they were critical of someone?

 

If so I am not sure that I will bother with their forum anymore. Why waste your time researching companies house records if a few days alter it wil be deleted without any explanation?

 

Sorry- end of rant....

[lisag]

Yes, I have not taken it down, not sure where it's gone. I have emailed the MSE admin for more info.

 

lisa

[imaginarynumber]

the irony is that you started the thread because there is a lack of feedback about npa.

 

Well there is less now than a week ago!!!!

[MARTIN3030]

I had noticed that there was some moderation between the posts,which were routinely done as they must have thought appropriate.

We cant comment on that since it is a matter for their team,but MSE is there for the benefit of its members just like CAG,so its fair to assume that they had some good reasons,and should not be adversely judged.

It is possible that the thread has been taken down for review,its something that we have to do now and again,as it can be impossible to do sometimes when real time activity by members see more posting during the process.

[imaginarynumber]

Thanks for the (diplomatic) response. I was concerned that they may have caved in to legal threats from NPA.

 

As a matter of courtesy, it woul be nice to let the op, at a minimum, know.

 

Just out of interest why are sites such as your not hosted in the USA where they would be covered by the First?

 

BTW thanks for maintaining your site and allowing us (the public) to vent our spleen and warn others when things are amiss.

 

Cheers

Edited February 17, 2011 by imaginarynumber
ggogle spell check doesn't work on this site

[imaginarynumber]

Just for the record NPA DO NOT seem to be related to Never Paint Again Ltd.

 

On closer inspection Never Paint Again Ltd (Director=mike elias of essex) is a dormant company related to wallshield Ltd (previously known as wallshield 2000 and 3000 (Director=mike elias of essex)

 

This is consistant with Guy's claims.

 

On their site (wallshleild.com) they refer to themselves as the wallshield group - it diffcult to say under which of the wallshield variants thay are operating- if wallshield ltd then they are currently in liquidation- not mentioned on the site though.

 

I put 2 and 2 together and came up with pi... my apologies

 

The date of company incorporation and guys site registration 3 months later is coincidence.

[ScarletPimpernel]

I'm amazed that Mike Elias hasn't sued Guy for passing off - it'd be an easy win.

[imaginarynumber]

Yes it is odd that the the www.neverpaintagain.co.uk was set up 3 months after the registering up of Never Paint Again Ltd and that Guy then went on to set up Never Paint Again (UK) Ltd 11 monthe after the other firm was set up.

 

But I can find no link between the two firms.

 

Guys site does say that he has registered Never Paint Again as a trade mark, I can find no proof of this and would be suprised if he had been llowed to as a firm with the name already existed.

[MARTIN3030]

Thanks for the (diplomatic) response. I was concerned that they may have caved in to legal threats from NPA.

 

As a matter of courtesy, it woul be nice to let the op, at a minimum, know.

 

Just out of interest why are sites such as your not hosted in the USA where they would be covered by the First?

 

BTW thanks for maintaining your site and allowing us (the public) to vent our spleen and warn others when things are amiss.

 

Cheers

 

Lol diplomacy can go a long way,but to be honest I have no idea why the thread was pulled,but the op should be given an explanation,I bet Martin's legal team are well able to deal with any threats and have prob had more than their share over the years as has the CAG.

The US hosting,I cant comment on but I would think that there has never been a need to come down to the same levels as many we campaign about,since we have done things by the book without fear.

Our thread remains as you have seen.

Some of the comments and posts that have been made,are only here out of a concern from the original post.

At the end of the day,we are interested to see our members complaints sorted,and the ongoing posts have been as a consequence of the complaint remaining unresolved irrespective of any date to fix.

If it had been my business being discussed acrosss 2 popular consumer forums,I would have pulled out all the stops to have had the job sorted not just given dates.

But its not my reputation at stake.

Mr.Bell has not been denied response,and neither to have some people come here with testimonials.

Again the ball is in Mr.B's court.

Get the job sorted and let our op report its done and dusted.....only then can we say end of .

[lisag]

Hello, just thought I'd check in to say that I haven't abandoned this thread.

 

Good news is that All Seasons did send me the insurance backed guarantee paperwork, I have sent off my documents to IWA and I'm just waiting for them to send confirmation back. Also, there was a mix up with the first date set for them to fix the balcony problem, but we have sorted out a new date for next week, so I am looking forward to that.

 

Bad news is that my thread on MSE never got resurrected, and their admin / mods never replied to my message asking why they had taken it down.

 

Will keep you posted of any more developments, thanks for your support.

 

lisa

[silverfox1961]

Good for you. Please do keep us updated. It's always nice to get a positive outcome (wherever possible)

[imaginarynumber]

Hi lisa et al

 

Very weird coincidence- your mail turned up at the same time as two from the MSE investigation team, who are looking at another thread about NPA!!!!

 

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=41626674#post41626674

 

Quite funny, but Bell is suggesting that an unhappy lifecote customer should have contacted him to get things sorted, whereas his stance now is one of "YOU ARE NOT A CUSTOMER OF NPA"

 

I am only speculating but me thinks that before long this will be the only dissenting thread left...

 

Yah-boo sucks to MSE (in this case) and hurrah to CAG

[honeybee13]

Well done guys, I hope you get the outcome you want.

 

My best, HB

[imaginarynumber]

FFS!!!!

 

Now someone at MSE is starting to delete any threads that mention NPA. At a guess that is up to 10 threads and hundreds of posts. The last was deleted early this morning

 

Before long this will be the only independent review on the web...

[MARTIN3030]

As mentioned already-they must have their reasons.

Lets not be too judgemental in the absence of knowing what those may be.

[imaginarynumber]

To be fair to the mods at MSE, I did ask why the threads were being deleted (in an unrelated thread). They did respond but were unable to go into detail. I have since discovered why certain posts have been deleted but I cannot see why all ten pages of a thread need to be deleted because of posts by one particular member.

 

Regardless, the outcome is the same- there are no negative posts left...

 

Personally I would have prefered to see the "offending" posts removed and the threads locked.

[MARTIN3030]

http://www.wethertex.co.uk/never-paint-again/

[joanne fisher]

hi, i saw this on google and i thought i would take a look. Has the Op's concerns been met? She doesnt seem to have come back and replied? I have seen links posted by anonymous people back to this thread too which is how i found it. Why? It would almost appear a conspiracy against this "Guy" from never paint again? i tried to search for reviews from genuine customers but all i can find is stuff that, being honest, sounds so personal against him it cant be true?

#we are certainly very happy customers of theirs (never paint again) , and i know others are too so what is this all about?

 

If i can add something here to youre discussion as it all seems very personal, including what the wethertex people have on their site, i mean can they (weathertex) really get away with publishing stuff like that on their site about a competitor? i am shocked reading it. not the content or whatever but the fact they did that, how awful and thats does not make me as a consumer want to deal with someone like wethertex. Are they a fairly new company?we had a massive quote from one of their salesmen years ago and werent impressed one bit.

 

My own opinion, after meeting this man "Guy" years ago, and having our dads house in bristol spray coated, my neighbour in mannamead, Plymouth had him around too, and my boss at work (debbie) also had him round for a price too! So i think i can safely say that this person is (sort of) known to me, or at least we knew him around 4 years ago, and i think that from what these people have said, they must have it wrong. He was very nice, charming of course, but very helpful.

 

iwhen we went on this npa website (i am looking at it now in another window,,,, it looks a bit different from before, maybe is it a different colour?) anyways when we needed my dad's house done, we called 3 companys, never paint again, wethertex and a firm of painters from exeter, lord knows what they were called....

When we went on the never paint again website we were certainly not conned !!!!!!so i dont know what these people r talking about but we KNEW that the website wasnt the people who did the work!! SO WHAT!!!!!!

 

They did a brilliant job and i have got to say this, they were a hell of a lot cheaper than wethertex in fact we paid 6 grand for dads place, and it was rough too, and wethertex wanted 15 thousand pounds!!!!!!! who in gods name has money like that? I will say in this mans defense, i think you are all awful making him out to be bad, he isnt, or at least as far as we know he isnt bad, and the people did a great job too and when we dealt with him he could not have been more helpful and nice. Shame on all of you.

 

 

Joanne fisher (mrs.)

Plymouth

[Surfer01]

Strange that your first post compliments "Guy" and his work ethics. If you were happy with his ethics why would you be looking on the Internet for complaints? It seems that you are the only person happy with his devious ways. Are you perhaps related to him, a good friend or just a troll?

[joanne fisher]

pardon?

[joanne fisher]

........er....... ok i'm still here. I did ask why you said that???! im sorry if i butted in to your conversation, (whoops) please accept my apologies, and no he isnt a relative!

 

please read my post. i think it obvious a few people have jumped on the bandwagon here, i just suggest to leave the fella alone! we had good service when dealing with him, that is why i posted here.sorry! i just wanted to know if the person who started this has had whatever was wrong, fixed, that is all!

[ScarletPimpernel]

You'll forgive our scepticism, Joanne, but we've found that things are sometimes not as they seem when Guy Bell and/or NPA are involved.

 

For example:

 

Guy tells us that NPA doesn't do wall coatings, it just advertises for someone else - but the website talks about its guaranteed wall coatings

 

The law says that any business that processes data must be registered with ICO - but Guy tells us that he's exempt because some girl at ICO apparently told him he was.

 

Now we are being asked to believe that someone has registered on CAG just to tell us that everything must be alright because she met Guy once and he was 'nice and charming'.

 

Oh well. I fear my bullsh1t detector is still pinging away.....

[dx100uk]

urm........

 

dx

[joanne fisher]

i beg your pardon????

 

i am sorry i commented and i dont know what you are implying but whatever it is i am not interested and i certainly did not expect that response. I apologise again for butting into your conversation and based on your response i dont really think at all that i will bother again.I am just saying i thought he was a nice chap. I did want to know wether the lady had got the problem sorted, dont worry about it.

 

good bye

[ScarletPimpernel]

Auf wiedersehen, pet.