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They confirmed they had no availability for July 2020 and August 2020 in any of their rooms within their venue.    12.   On 23/03/2020 we requested a full refund as the original wedding date for 23/05/2020 could not go ahead. Mr xxxx confirmed that Goosedale Limited would not be issuing full refunds and attached the Terms and Conditions.  This was the first time we had seen this document. Following his refusal to return the full refund, we offered Goosedale Limited to hold onto out deposit and return the rest of our money until the matter was resolved. 13.   In the absence of a response from Mr xxxx, we further emailed him on 26/03/2020 and requested an update. On 27/03/2020, Mr Nick Singh offered us 18/07/2020 for 350 guests which we agreed and received another booking confirmation on 30/03/2020. 14.   Due to rise in COVID-19 and the uncertainty with events going ahead in July 2020, on 17/04/2020 we secured an alternative date for 350 guests to take place on 08/10/2020 in line with the original booking. Unfortunately, we have not received a booking confirmation for this event. 15.   Wedding venues remained closed until 15/08/2020 and now allow for 30 sit-down guests only. 16.   Goosedale Limited have advised us that weekend bookings require a higher payment, however despite 08/10/2020 falling on a weekday, we were not offered a price reduction. 17.   No further communication was received from 17/04/2020 until an email on 03/09/2020, with a letter attached requested a further “£250 security bond for the event on 08/10/2020”. 18.   On 04/09/2020, we wrote to Goosedale Limited requesting a full refund.  A Letter before court action was issued giving Goosedale Limited 14 days to refund the money. 19.   They received the Letter before Court action on 6/09/2020 in which the request for a refund in full was made, this was sent by recorded delivery which was logged as Received by them and documented the facts to claim a full refund. 20.   We have received no communication to the Letter before Court action and have incurred costs up to that date, in trying to resolve the matter.  Goosedale Limited have remained silent on the matter and have no disregard about how this has affected us financially 21.   We have been subject to unfair practices under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 as Goosedale Ltd have refused a refund “stating no refunds available under any circumstances”. 22.   The CMA issues guidelines on 28 August 2020 (attached) which confirmed that the Contract has become frustrated, and the Terms No Refund are not legal terms to be imposed on customers, who have to cancel due to the COVID. 23.   We have tried to be reasonable under the Circumstances including working with the Venue to rearrange dates right up to August 2020 however it has become clear that, the venue can not provide the service we have paid for since 23 May 2020, and they have unreasonably held on to our funds, without providing any service under the Contract. 24.   We have no additional contracts with the Venue and they have imposed terms which deny a refund, despite informing them in the Letter before action that we  request a refund of the full amount, this now includes interest from the day the Service was not provided up to the date of Trial, as we have been reasonable throughout the conduct of this matter. 25.   We have now had to face additional charges and costs which we will ask the Court to award at the Hearing, we can confirm that we have attempted to resolve this matter amicably since March 2020, but have been met with a blank excuse to deny a refund. 26.   The current Government guidelines highlight that wedding ceremonies allows for up to 30 guests at a sit-down wedding reception which came into effect from 15/08/2020. As detailed above, our current contract and payment has been for 350 people. Goosedale Limited are not in a position to provide this service. Legislation : We have made Goosdale aware of the legislation we will be relying on below, again we have waited for a response and this has not been forthcoming. GOV.UK – Competition & Markets Authority Guidance – Statement on coronavirus (COVID-19), consumer contracts, cancellations and refunds dated 28/08/2020. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cma-to-investigate-concerns-about-cancellation-policies-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic/the-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-consumer-contracts-cancellation-and-refunds The Consumer Rights Act 2015 Unfair Terms https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2083/contents/made The Consumer Contracts Regulations 2014 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/3134/made
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Having a problem with orange and their dolphin 10 plan.

Took it out based on their sales advice and they didn't tell me about any additional charges. My youngest wound up with £450-00 worth of call charges as we understood the plan to restrict calls after she used her minutes.


Where is the best place to post and ask for advice on how to deal with this problem,





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Hi Grumpygaz


I've asked the site team to move to the relevant forum.


Have you googled the internet to see if others have been misled by the phone plan?

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Hi, thanks for the propmpt replies and getting the thread moved..


I have looked about for other simelar stories but none are exactly the problem I'm having.


I bought them direct from orange. I have had the wifes and my phone on a contract with them for getting on for ten years. never had any issues until we added these dolphin 10's to the account.


In the last few years things have gone to pot in respect of performance and service with them but this last mess has really got me worked up.

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how many minutes did the plan come with and how many were eventually used?

What exactly did the salesperson tell you


The plan came with 200 free minutes and unlimited texts.


I had asked if it cut off when she had used her minutes and they said yes. it was a replacement for a pay as you go sim to save me the hassle of going out to top them up. I have mobility issues and weekly trips to top a card up were a pain.


I was a great pains to tell them it was a childs phone and we were on a budget and were looking to drop our bill. They said it would be ok to tack them onto my main account and we should have a monthly spend of £60-00. At no point did they mention higher charges if they went over the plan. Sneaky sales ploy methinks.


She used over 2000 minutes in a month and has had a talking too but the kid was under the impression, as was i that as soon as she ran out they would bar calls until the next mothly cycle began. Thats a specific point we asked about and it appears they have been economical with the facts at best.

We have only had it for about 6 weeks but we won't have it much longer.



My stance is now that they either drop the charges and keep us as long standing customers or they can play silly buggers and lose our custom. I will force this to county court if needed as i feel that they haven't a leg to stand on as we can cancel under the sale of goods act but just need to make sure that i cover all the bases. I cite the sale of goods act because what we were eventually sold was not what it was supposed to be and as such not fit for purpose.





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200 minutes is 3h 20 minutes wheras 2000 mins is 33h 20 mins.


Surely she MUST have realised she had gone over?

I could understand if it was a little bit but 30 hours......


I cant see Orange waiving the charge.


How are you going to prove the phone was not fit for purpose if it was a replacement sim you got and not a phone as well?

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200 minutes is 3h 20 minutes wheras 2000 mins is 33h 20 mins.


Surely she MUST have realised she had gone over?

I could understand if it was a little bit but 30 hours......


I cant see Orange waiving the charge.


How are you going to prove the phone was not fit for purpose if it was a replacement sim you got and not a phone as well?



She did not know she couldn't go over. She as was I was under the impression that she would not be able to make calls beyond the 200 minutes, as we understood it it wasn't possible. like a pay as you go it would bar her from making calls.


The extra charges over the call time allowed were not explained to myself and as such the deal itself is not fit for purpose. In effect they sold me a deal based on misinformation and being economical with the facts. Thats deception in my book so the deal is not fit for purpose.


I can't see orange getting paid!

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you must have had a contract through the post by now. what does it say?

Did you read any T&C's


I cant see how it was mistakenly used for 30 hours more than it should.

Thats an hour of calls every day for a month.

200 minutes is only just over 6.5 minutes a day


If you wanted a phone to cut off after all the credit was used you should have kept the payg sim and just given them £x per month to go down the shop themselves and top up.

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She did not know she couldn't go over. She as was I was under the impression that she would not be able to make calls beyond the 200 minutes, as we understood it it wasn't possible. like a pay as you go it would bar her from making calls.


The extra charges over the call time allowed were not explained to myself and as such the deal itself is not fit for purpose. In effect they sold me a deal based on misinformation and being economical with the facts. Thats deception in my book so the deal is not fit for purpose.


I can't see orange getting paid!


The trouble with this is they can mark a default on your credit file as bad is if you had a loan you wern't repaying!


Try this :-



If advised by Orange staff, then they need their little hands slapping :mad: However I doubt you'll have proof of what was said :( (if you did record the conversation, it would be a nice thing to stick to them!)


Read the "how to complain" section of their Code of practice here :-



Which states

how to complain

If you want to make a complaint, firstly you should call Customer Services and speak to us to

discuss any problems you may have. In most cases your query will be answered immediately.

If you have a difficulty that is not resolved to your satisfaction, please ask to discuss it with

one of our Customer Services Managers.

If you pay monthly, please call 150 from an Orange phone (or 07973 100150 from any other

phone). If you pay as you go, please call 451 (or 07973 100451 from any other phone).


Orange is committed to resolving any difficulty quickly and amicably. However, if we can’t

reach an agreement, there is a special independent adjudication scheme that Orange (in

conjunction with other leading communications providers) has arranged with the Chartered

Institute of Arbitrators. This gives you a fast, free and impartial resolution to any dispute that

does not involve a complicated issue of law or a sum of money of more than £5,000.

We are obliged to comply with any decision that the independent adjudicator makes.

However, if you’re still not satisfied with the outcome, you can refer your case to the Courts.

You can get a guide to Orange’s dispute resolution procedures online at

www.arbitrators.org/cisas. Alternatively, you can get a copy of this guide by calling Orange

Customer Services. You can also obtain this guide in Braille or large print if you would like it.

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