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    • Hi,   Thanks for your reply.   Firstly I asked several times for a refund closer to the time I enrolled on the course and was told I could not have one due to the center paying for the course upfront. I did make it very clear that I was struggling with the course, however due to the center not being open when I could attend that I would not be able to finish it, also that due a change in job role I would be unable to make days when the center was open. However given that the center advertised several times it would be open late and on a weekend this was not honoured several times and yes I have a detailed log of this.    The entire cost of the course was over £3700 - I can get back to you with the exact amount once I am home as I have kept the recites   There was also an incident with the Sage course due to it having to be studied within the classroom - when I was able to get into the venue the package was not working and also the obvious reason for the center being closed.   The course was conducted via mixed methods, however when trying to complete the training online their system was not working, so could not be accessed whilst I was trying to study at home. I did phone the center about this at the time, however this was not remedied.   Thanks
    • First of all you should understand that this is going to be difficult – partly because you have left it so long, partly because of their franchise system it is very difficult to pin them down and finally because you have already said yourself that some of the reason for not completing the course is because of your own mental/emotional state. Your poor health at the time was very unfortunate – and I'm very sorry about that – but that is not something that you will be able to rely upon if you attempt to recover any money. In fact it would be in your best interests not to refer to this. Have you already brought this up with them? Could you please tell us how much the entire course cost. Also, you will need to give a fairly detailed chronology of the listed class times and the times that they were closed without giving you notice. We need to understand what impact these are notified closures had upon the total amount of allocated time. Was the course conducted mostly online or was it conducted with face-to-face contact at their classrooms?
    • Further update when I asked for contact details of a manager from their head office and explained I had already been intouch with the franchise manager:    
    • perhaps this is the point at which I I should intruduce the NTK and POFA arguments  suggested by ericsbrother  
    • Hi agree please see update from Pitman customer support below:   The Pitman centres are all franchise businesses so individually owned businesses, any refund would need to be sought from the centre that you paid the money to.   Of course we are sorry to hear about your personal circumstances, howeve, you have purchased the diploma three years ago, generally students complete the diploma within 12 months. You haven’t said which centre you purchased the diploma from but I would  say after 3 years  I would tend to agree with the centre in that you would not be entitled to a refund.   Kind Regards Claire  absolutely appalling treatment DO NOT GO WITH PITMAN!!!!  
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Hello Folks!

 

And not before time either...

 

NHS watchdog NICE calls for Trans-Fats Ban in Foods

 

Doctors agree...

Medics call for Ban on Trans-Fats in UK Food

 

This rubbish has absolutely no place in our food, and is only there to boost the profits of the Food Industry, irrespective of what it does to your health.

 

TRANS-FATS

 

 

  • They are partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, turning oily fat into semi-solid fat.

 

  • The Food Industry uses them to cut costs, because they are very, very cheap.

 

  • The Food Industry uses them to make life easier for themselves, because they extend Shelf-Life of products significantly, often by a disturbing amount of time.

 

  • They raise levels of "bad" cholesterol and clog your arteries.

 

  • Whilst a small reduction in consumption can cut heart disease...better still, why not ban them outright and reap the health rewards this will bring.

 

  • They have absolutely no nutritional benefit, and no taste worth considering.

 

  • They are a non-food and they are dangerous.

 

Having read that, compare the above with the rubbish being spouted out by a Food Industry Spokesperson (Julian Hunt of the Food and Drink Federation):

 

The food industry is leading the world when it comes to voluntarily changing the recipes of popular food brands so that they are lower in salt, fat or sugar.
No. It isn't.

 

Here's why...because the Spokesperson goes on to say:

 

Industry reformulation efforts have already resulted in the levels of trans-fats in foods dropping to well below the suggested maximum daily intake recommended by the World Health Organization.
WTF does Industry reformulation efforts mean?

 

I'll tell you what it means...they are trying to keep as much of this deadly rubbish in as they can, for as long as they can, until someone forces them to drop this killer muck from our food. Until then, they will squirm and wriggle, and thwart all reasonable attempts to make them see the error of their ways.

 

The above is no different than The Debt Industry telling you that Debt is good for you!

 

 

Read the Small Print

 

I urge everyone to read the small print on labels and, if you see even the slightest hint that Trans-Fats might be present, then do not buy. Find something better and safer.

 

This rubbish is in everything from Margarines (often a small tell-tale quantity buried in the small print), to lower quality Ice Cream, to Biscuits, to Cakes, to Fast Food Burgers and Pizzas, to Wine Gums and all the way to British Chocolate!

 

This rubbish was once never in our food, it was gradually introduced when the Food Industry's bean counters spotted a wonderful way to boost profits, by simultaneously reducing Product Cost and dramatically extending Shelf-Life. In effect, they are getting you to buy something other than what you thought you were buying. The concept is similar to water injection into meat to bulk it up for no good reason, but it's far, far more dangerous.

 

 

The British Chocolate Myth

 

This was a marketing gimmick to fool you.

 

Selling you a Bar of 100% Trans-Fat was decided to be too obvious, it would look unattractive and would have no taste! So, the Food Industry reluctantly agreed to sacrifice their profits by keeping in some Chocolate to give the plasticated Trans-Fat rubbish enough taste and colour to cover up their strategy. Then their Marketing Departments came up with the idea to re-label this Frankenstein Chocolate as British Chocolate.

 

Their next move was to convince us that the nasty EEC was trying to ban our British Chocolate and replace it with nasty foreign real chocolate.

 

The reality is somewhat different. These people ruined our Chocolate years ago. It's time to get back what you once knew, and demand that they remove the killer rubbish from all your food, not just your Chocolate!

 

 

The Hidden Killer

 

I really hope this helps people to appreciate what a danger this stuff presents. Inspect everything you buy, and reject anything you even suspect has Trans-Fats present.

 

You really do not need it, it serves no nutritional purpose, it has no taste, it has poor eating quality, and it does absolutely nothing except cause you harm.

 

Many Countries have already imposed an outright ban. But, sadly, we have some catching up to do.

 

Over here, the Food Industry, like the Debt Industry, has a great deal of influence, most of it concentrated on maintaining trouser pocket access to our Self-Serving Politicians.

 

Cheers,

BRW

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Thats really disturbing to hear. Keep up the campain x

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Right now reading the small print on Flora Buttery. It contains trans fat.

 

It reads "International dietary guideline recommend a limited intake of saturated fats, trans fat, sugars and salt (sodium) to maintain good health. This product is in line with these guidelines".

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I believe I may be lactose intollerant and now reading labels. Thanks for the info as I will be looking for trans fat too and try to avoid it whenever possible out of my diet.

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Hello 2gr82btrue!

 

Right now reading the small print on Flora Buttery. It contains trans fat.
I'd put it straight in the bin in that case.

 

It reads "International dietary guideline recommend a limited intake of saturated fats, trans fat, sugars and salt (sodium) to maintain good health. This product is in line with these guidelines".
This is a deliberately misleading statement, designed to insert Trans Fats into the mix as if they have a place.

 

To me, it reads more like this:

 

International dietary guideline recommend a limited intake of saturated fats, rat poison, sugars and salt (sodium) to maintain good health. This product is in line with these guidelines.

 

:eek:

 

That changes the perspective, does it not!

 

Cheers,

BRW

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Thats definately going in my bin. Will have to replace it with something that doesnt contain this or is it in all margarines /butter spreads?

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Will also educate my daughter to read food labels. Keep up the campaign. You certainly opened my eyes about the rubbish in our foods.

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Hello Folks!

 

I've just had a trawl on Google, and there are some useful Web Sites to explain the issues in more detail:

 

A Campaign Site, good for them:

 

TFX The Campaign Against Trans Fats in Food

 

One aimed at Mothers, but they seem to be aware of the key issues:

 

Netmums - Transfats and Hydrogenated Fats

 

The NHS report 18/01/2010:

 

NHS - Call to Ban Man-Made Fat

 

The Grauniad:

 

The Guardian - Doctors Demand Ban on Man-Made Fat

 

The Guardian - A Ban on Trans Fats is Overdue

 

The Independent:

 

The Independent - Ban Trans Fats and Thousands of Lives will be Saved, UK told

 

The Times:

 

The Times - The Truth about Trans Fat

 

The above was written by Maggie Stanfield (author of Trans Fat: The Time Bomb in Your Food) in The Times as long ago as 2008:

 

The article concludes with a comment from a very forward thinking Danish Cardiologist, who sums things up rather well:

 

Professor Steen Stender is the cardiologist in Denmark who became the driving force behind the decision to ban trans fats there. He says:

 

"Between the introduction of the ban in 2000 and 2005, we saw heart disease rates in this country decline by 20 per cent.

 

What more proof does the EU need before it dispenses with ineffective food labelling ideas and voluntary codes and introduces a level playing field for the food industry throughout the EU where no trans fats are used anywhere?"

Cheers,

BRW

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Thanks for the heads-up - I will look out for this when shopping and warn my firends and family.


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I putt some asda quarter pounder burgers on the barby tonight quiet thick they were before they cooked but I used the spatula to quash them down and wow you should of seen the fat come out of them.

 

They did not taste very wholesome ether.

 

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Been avoiding hydrogenated stuff for 10 years, since I discovered Low-carb... It comes with a lot of reading about what goes in your food, and margarine etc never featured in my food ever since.

 

Butter, butter, butter, with nothing added by salt, that's the way to go IMO. :-)

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I putt some asda quarter pounder burgers on the barby tonight quiet thick they were before they cooked but I used the spatula to quash them down and wow you should of seen the fat come out of them.

 

They did not taste very wholesome ether.

 

PF

Besides the fact that they're unlikley to be good quality anyway, you should never squash meat to get the fat out, it toughens the fibre in the meat, and despite what the low-fat industry puts out as propaganda, fat is an integral part of our food and necessary to a balanced diet. It will also make your burgers taste better, less dry. If you cook the meat long enough, the fat will metabolise or drip out anyway, so for a better eating experience, never ever quash meat. ;-) (and make your own, this way you know what's gone in it)

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Must admit I've never had real butter for ages mainly because of the price which if you think about it is probably set artificially high in order to push the other buttery spreads.

 

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Besides the fact that they're unlikley to be good quality anyway, you should never squash meat to get the fat out, it toughens the fibre in the meat, and despite what the low-fat industry puts out as propaganda, fat is an integral part of our food and necessary to a balanced diet. It will also make your burgers taste better, less dry. If you cook the meat long enough, the fat will metabolise or drip out anyway, so for a better eating experience, never ever quash meat. :wink: (and make your own, this way you know what's gone in it)

 

Then the question is: what is the meat content in those burgers not a lot I bet.

 

Ill fish the packet out of the recycling bin in the morning and have a look.

 

PF


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Great idea for a campaign. :) Thank you for starting it up. I'm always reading labels in supermarkets.

 

So much ice cream isn't ice cream. :mad: Soft scoop is especially rubbishy.

 

Isn't it outrageous that the supermarkets have all put up butter from 82/84p to 98p in one step? How can they justify that?

 

Also, while on the subject of food:

 

Low fat anything always puts me off. I'd rather have cream cheese that's all cream cheese, rather than having it bulked out by something else - usually semolina. The same goes for creme fraiche.

 

If it's 'No added sugar' it's probably full of sweeteners. :(:eek:

 

And even these days, so many crisps manufacturers are still using monosodium glutamate. Horrible stuff, and my daughter knows it's bad for her. :eek: She came home once from a playdate with itchy red eyes and I found out she'd been given beef flavour crisps which are full of MSG. It's really dreadful to be putting this stuff in crisps bearing in mind so many children eat loads of them.

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My thoughts have always been to avoid processed food. Rather have butter and spread it thinly that some frankenspread.

 

As for the British chocolate campaign, I was really annoyed about that at the time. I'd been living in Germany and had eaten really good chocolate that was never expensive. I used to mock the "British chocolate" campaigners inthe press, "we want poor quality chocolate and we demand the right to pay more for it!" British choclate (like mass produced British bread) is awful stuff. Sticks to the roof of your mouth. Better for lagging the loft with than eating. Well the bread anyway.

 

A while ago I bought some burgers for the freezer, when I cooked the first one all this fat came out and turned into white waxy pellets. I couldn't get rid of it. The rest of the pack went straigh in the bin. Yuck.

 

Anyone read "In Defence of Food" by Michael Pollan? He tooks about real unprocesed food and how much better it is for you than the processed mush we eat today. Btw in case anyone's wondering, (thinking, it's all right if you can afford it) I'm poor and live alone. Most of my income (apart from bills) goes on food. I don't buy much else at all. Can't afford to. I always buy the best quality I can get. I cook for myself too. It's not hard.

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