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    • I've looked through all our old NPE threads, and as far as we know they have never had the bottle to do court. There are no guarantees of course, but when it comes to put or shut up they definitely tend towards shut up. How about something like -   Dear Jonathan and Julie, Re: PCN no.XXXXX cheers for your Letter Before Claim.  I rolled around on the floor in laughter at the idea that you actually expected me to take this tripe seriously and cough up. I'll write to you not some uninterested third party, thanks all the same, because you have are the ones trying to threaten me about this non-existent "debt". Go and look up Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd, saddos.  Oh, while you're at it, go and look up your Subject Access Request obligations - we all know how you ballsed that up way back in January to March. Dear, dear, dear - you couldn't resist adding your £70 Unicorn Food Tax, you greedy gets.  Judges don't like these made-up charges, do they? You can either drop this foolishness now or get a hell of a hammering in court.  Both are fine with me.  Summer is coming up and I would love a holiday at your expense after claiming an unreasonable costs order under CPR 27.14(2)(g). I look forward to your deafening silence.   That should show them you're not afraid of them and draw their attention to their having legal problems of their own with the SAR.  If they have any sense they'll crawl back under their stone and leave you in peace.  Over the next couple of days invest in a 2nd class stamp (all they are worth) and get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.
    • Yes that looks fine. It is to the point. I think somewhere in the that the you might want to point out that your parcel had been delivered but clearly had been opened and resealed and the contents had been stolen
    • Hi All, I just got in from work and received a letter dated 24 April 2024. "We've sent you a Single Justice Procedure notice because you have been charged with an offence, on the Transport for London Network." "You need to tell us whether you are guilty or not guilty. This is called making your plea."
    • Okay please go through the disclosure very carefully. I suggest that you use the technique broadly in line with the advice we give on preparing your court bundle. You want to know what is there – but also very importantly you want to know what is not there. For instance, the email that they said they sent you before responding to the SAR – did you see that? Is there any trace of of the phone call that you made to the woman who didn't know anything about SAR's? On what basis was the £50 sent to you? Was it unilateral or did they offer it and you accepted it on some condition? When did they send you this £50 cheque? Have you banked it? Also, I think that we need to start understanding what you have lost here. Have you lost any money – and if so how much? Send the SAR to your bank as advised above
    • In anticipation of lodging my court claim next Weds 1 May (14 days after advising P2G that was my deadline for them to settle my claim) I have completed my first draft POC as below: Claim Claim number: xxxxx Reference: P2G MAY 2024   Claimant xxxxx   Defendant Parcel2Go 1A Parklands Lostock Bolton BL6 4SD  Particulars of Claim The defendant has failed to arrange for the safe delivery of the claimant's parcel containing a 8 secondhand golf clubs (valued at £265) that was sent to a UK address using their delivery service (P2G Reference xxxxx). The defendant contracted Evri to deliver the parcel (Evri Reference xxxxx) and refuses to reimburse the claimant on the grounds that the claimant did not purchase their secondary insurance contract. The defendant seeks to exclude their liability in breach of section 57 Consumer Rights Act. The secondary insurance contract is in breach of section 72. The claimant seeks reimbursement of £265, plus P2G fees of £9.10, plus postage costs for two first class letters to P2G of £2.70, plus court fees, plus interest. The claimant claims interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from xxxxx to xxxxxx on £276.80 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £xxxx   Details of claim Amount claimed £276.80 I look forward to your thoughts and comments guys! As ever, many thanks - G59    
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Just need some advice on a tricky situation i am in at the moment, not sure if i am posting in the correct section, but appologies if i'm not. Issue is that i have ordered some hardware from a company abroad, paying money in full, i have now found out that creditors has taken over the control of the company and i am now not likely to recieve what i have ordered, this was meant to be delivered in another country. The twist to this is that when i paid the money, this was paid into a personal UK Barclays account for the owner of the company, my question is due to the fact that the money was paid into a personal account and not the company account, can i claim back the money from the owner through UK courts as this was to his personal account? This was done via Back Cheque. Would be greatful for some help or direction on this. Thanks

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IMHO much depends on what sort of contract you entered into for the supply of the goods and where and how the contract was signed and how the arrangements were made for the payment to be made and under what conditions.

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In terms of contract, money was agreed to be transfered verbally to personal account in UK due to the company not having a company account in the UK, so it's the normal way of buying goods apart from, instead of paying the company, money was paid to the personal account. Can i claim back the money from the company owner if he cannot prove that the money i placed into his company account, was transfered to company account?

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Sounds like you have been a victim of fraud i.e. they had no intention of supplying the goods and were therefore requiring payment to go into a personal account.

 

Not sure what you can do about this. Might be worth speaking to the Police, to see if there is a unit that looks into these type of acts. There might be others who have also had the same problem with this company.

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I need to speak to the creditors tomorrow who are now in control of the company and also to the guy who i transfered the money to his bristish account, but the news is that he currently open another busniess of same nature in another area of the country, so i just want to know if i had a case if i was to go the legal route to get back my money. I am sure the administrator in control of the company would he interested in this as well. If he refuse to transfer back the money i will go to a UK lawyer first then see what my options are also.

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This is surely fraud. Do you not think a criminal act has taken place?

 

Asking for the money to be paid into a personal account stinks to me.

 

This needs to be looked into a bit more.

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That's why I need to speak to the administartor who has taken over the business to see what they say about my goods, because if I can't get my goods are money back, this will be going through the courts to sue the owner for my money.

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As yours was a verbal agreement for goods ordered overseas for delivery to a destination outside of the UK you are going to find this very hard going. If the value of the order is not high I would write it off.

 

Presumably the person you paid the money to is not a British citizen and not resident in this country? In which case you will only be able to claim against any UK assets he may hold. If that is only a UK bank account there is nothing stopping him from emptying it and closing it as soon as he gets wind of impending action. If you win, which in my opinion is unlikely, you may find such action a hollow victory,

 

As unclebulgaria has implied this smacks of fraud.

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