logbook loans vs police

[cctv engineer]

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[applecart]

Tall order CCTV : )

 

Much better you post the details of the fraud unit and let caggers send off there information directly; like we do to the OFT.

 

I only say this as a precaution - as many on here prefer to keep their identity anonymous.

 

I think you will get a bigger better response that way?

 

Hope this helps?

 

Apple : )

[Nicky Bodmin]

Hi CCTV,

 

The police were present when LBL came and took my car for some one else's debt. I gave police proof of purchase in 2005 I gave them proof that I had 6 months earlier spent £2000 on putting new engine in car.

I reported the theft of the Logbook by the borrower to gain the loan. They did nothing.

I reported the theft of the car by LBL and they did nothing.

I didn't take out the loan nor have I sold the car it has always been mine.

[Nicky Bodmin]

Hi CCTV

 

Well you have my BOS from them and details of the solicitors that sworn the affidavit. I still have not had my question answered by the firm

[MARTIN3030]

I think the thread title is a bit misleading ?

[Nicky Bodmin]

Hi Martin,

 

CCTV is asking for cases were police have not acted in the inocent parties interest as I see it. Dont you agree

[MARTIN3030]

Yes I understand the request-I mean the thread title is confusing.

Maybe should read - Logbook Loans / Police response to victims requesting assistance.

[Nicky Bodmin]

HI Martin,

 

Any thing that will bring forward enough people so that our cause will be listened to I am a victim of LBL. I have owned my car since 2005 loan was put on 2008 and not by myself. They took it they sold it and I'm in High court on the 27th July.

The police seem to make it up as they go along with some crimes. Why theft is theft a criminal activity that has one rule for all not depends who and what the situation.

 

The criminal seems to be supported these days by the old bill. I seem to be on the wrong side of the law to get help from the police.

Maybe I should take up a life of crime stealing people property as long as I can say I'm entitled to it thats OK. Don't even need evidence of this now a days but just the bollux to front it

 

And this is Justice

[applecart]

Hi Martin3030

 

Could head it up as 'Police Fraud Unit - Agree to Investigate Log Book Loans'

 

But I still think CCTV should submit the details of the unit on the forum to allow caggers to submit their info directly to the unit concerned.

 

Can't think of any reason whey this can't be done - unless CCTV can advise?

 

Apple : )

[MARTIN3030]

I am not privvy to the finer details.

Understandably furnishing info by pm is not something everyone will be comfy with.

It may be the case that CCTV engineer is not yet in a position to reveal everything.

I would be happy to help out with finding a way to move forward,if CCTV engineer feels minded to share some info.

We are all here for the same ends regardless of who where and what.

The offer is there to help-CCTV you can either pm me or else ask a fellow team member.

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[MARTIN3030]

Thanks CCTV-Theres some good insight there.

its clear from a number of points that its best to remain cautious on account of monitoring.

I have replied to your earlier message.

[applecart]

Thanks guys

 

Things are a lot clearer now - but roll on next week : )

 

Apple

[cctv engineer]

i dont know why but i have removed everything.

 

martin i do not understand why you reported this thread. and i am not going to get into a fight about it. with the forum owners.

[MARTIN3030]

Hi CCTV I auto unapproved it actually in view of the info you gave to me regarding other eyes.

It was then re-approved on the basis that you obv felt what you DID post did not give too much away.

Thats last I saw-it WAS posted back up.

I will take a look at the logs to see why it is not here-it certainly was last night !

[MARTIN3030]

Or have you deleted it yourself ?

[Nicky Bodmin]

Hi Guys

 

I have asked a few times now CCTV give me details of where and who we talk to in the Police.

 

I am in court at the min with LBL.

They took my car for someone elses loan. This is clearly theft and fraud. But I have not had any response.

 

I find this very strange.

 

I have spoken to CCTV on the phone nand he gave info to me but still cant confirm it truth.

Why wont CCTV reply to my PM. If he is here to help then help.#

[jolygreengiant]

Dear Nicky Bodmin

 

A BoS is invalid if the goods within are not owed by the person taking out the loan.

 

You have nothing to fear.

 

LBL will fail.

 

 

NOW WHAT HAPPENED IN CONCLUSION IN YOUR CASE.

[Nicky Bodmin]

thanks for reply.

 

Yes in theory that is true, but the case was transfered from high courts because Wisemere played dumb and had no case prep and asked that this be dealt with because of late service of docs and they had no time to prepair. This was aload of bollux he just didn't bother.

 

Just got their defence and its a joke.

 

Can anyone p[lease tell me if they record all calls at LBL

[OBWanBenoni]

I like Nicky am also being sued due to a loan put on a vehicle 4 years after I bought it by the person I bought it off.

 

I phoned The Police and they would not let me report this fraud as a crime as I have not been affected by it - I am being sued!!! I feel very affected. I did point out that using their logic if I saw a murder I should not report it as I was not dead and it hadn't affected me.

[Nicky Bodmin]

Hi,

 

How did he get the loan. because they should have pic of him with the car. Have they got the car?

 

Why are they doing you its not your name on the loan. What does your solicitor say

[OBWanBenoni]

Hi,

 

How did he get the loan. because they should have pic of him with the car. Have they got the car?

 

Why are they doing you its not your name on the loan. What does your solicitor say

 

They don't have the car as the woman I sold the car to 3 years ago is the one stupid enough to pay them when they knocked on her door. She paid them £2,500 and is now sueing me for the money - even though the loans were taken out while she owned the car!

 

He took at least 7 Bills of Sale on the car, I think they just kept handing them out without any proof of ownership, there was a gap of 18 months between a couple of the BOS but they still gave him one - he obviously also could never provide them with MOT of Insurnace documents. I only found out all this a couple of weeks ago. Her solictors wrote to me yesterday and said they are going to talk to Mobile Money about this - I think they think they are still going to win when the case gets to court.

 

My solictor says don't worry about it. Mobile Money were issueing unenforceable loans. My Police told me I also couldn't report it as a crime as I was going to win the case, FSO told me I couldn't report Mobile Money for fraud either as I was not affected by it, the woman who paid the money would have too.

 

I have looked into reporting her solictors to the Law Society for bringing a frivolous case againgst me - but I don't think I can as I am not employing them.

[Nicky Bodmin]

hi

 

well this company are excelling themselfs again. Think the bosses are reading to many bond novels. Its getting crazy. The woman should be going after LBL or who ever and its her afault for paying them. Serves herself right. People that just pay up knowing they are in the right make me sick she deserved that. And that is why this type of company get their power from brain dead robots like her.

At least your old bill passed a comment not like mine sitting in their new multi billion pound big brother house on the hill

 

SITE TEAM WE NEED DETAILS OF POLICE THAT WILL TREAT THESE CRIMES AS THEFT AND FRAUD. HOW DO WE FIND WERE TO TAKE THEM

 

BUMP

[applecart]

They don't have the car as the woman I sold the car to 3 years ago is the one stupid enough to pay them when they knocked on her door. She paid them £2,500 and is now sueing me for the money - even though the loans were taken out while she owned the car!

 

He took at least 7 Bills of Sale on the car, I think they just kept handing them out without any proof of ownership, there was a gap of 18 months between a couple of the BOS but they still gave him one - he obviously also could never provide them with MOT of Insurnace documents. I only found out all this a couple of weeks ago. Her solictors wrote to me yesterday and said they are going to talk to Mobile Money about this - I think they think they are still going to win when the case gets to court.

 

My solictor says don't worry about it. Mobile Money were issueing unenforceable loans. My Police told me I also couldn't report it as a crime as I was going to win the case, FSO told me I couldn't report Mobile Money for fraud either as I was not affected by it, the woman who paid the money would have too.

 

I have looked into reporting her solictors to the Law Society for bringing a frivolous case againgst me - but I don't think I can as I am not employing them.

 

 

Hi ya

 

I think your case is different from Nicky's - my thoughts are that all you 0need to prove is that as the first innocent purchaser (HP Act 1965) - that you were unaware that the vehicle was encumbered and that you seek the protection of the HP Act.

 

This should dispel the ladies claim against you - for whilst under any other circumstance she may have a valid case - the reality is you sold her the car in good faith.

 

Just my thoughts : )

 

Apple

[Nicky Bodmin]

Hi Guys,

 

Yes from all the posts I have come across mine is the only one where a loan has been put on someone elses car and then removed. I cant find any case history relating to this either. It seems to be a one off.

Thank god

It is not a very nice situation to find yourself in.

LBL still are standing by their guns and saying it is their car.

With all the evidence that has been produced for the case. They are either hoping I will give up and go away or they are thick.

 

Well I have news for them, I love a good fight as well. I will fight to the end right to the High Courts if need be. Untill justice provails.

Thing is I dont think they have got it just yet but I will become their thorn in their sides. Im the Litigant in person and they have a personal interest in the case, so tend to go the extra mile. LOL

 

Cross the Ts and dot the Is as they say.

 

I challenge everything and it works for me. I have proven things in the past that the legals said would fail.

 

So Im looking forward to the trail in January.

 

This case will be a very powerfull tool for the OFT case. Details will be published in January on the forum.

There are criminal charges from this case alone to come