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I checked at home and there were defaults notices issued on both of my credit card accounts, in May 2009.

 

does this affect anything?

 

OK, are they the ones they are relying on? What dates are on them? and how long do they give you to remedy?

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I can only presume that they are - as I not entirely sure what default notices are apart from a letter to say that you broken the terms of the agreement and have defaulted me.

 

they insisted that I paid a sum of money into the account, which i didnt do, and they were dated 11th May 2009 and 9th May 2009.

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I can only presume that they are - as I not entirely sure what default notices are apart from a letter to say that you broken the terms of the agreement and have defaulted me.

 

they insisted that I paid a sum of money into the account, which i didnt do, and they were dated 11th May 2009 and 9th May 2009.

 

OK lets explain this a little, take each one , 9th May is date on the DN, how long does it give you to remedy? How much were they asking for? Was it the correct amount?

You see we need to attack these DN's later on.

 

Your SAR will become important, later because if theyve added charges on to the balance, then it stands to reason that the sums on the DN's will be wrong and also if theyve messed up the timing and not given you the correct amount of time, then they fail on that too.

 

Anyway, this is going slightly off track, because we still havent got the CCA or SAR details yet.

 

So I'd suggest browsing through the CAG site for cases similar to your own so you can get yourself familiar with the way this will pan out.

 

Keep asking questions and dont worry if they seem silly, we all started somewhere

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Hubby just called - I have had 2 letters from Halifax asking me to sign my CCA and return without delay - they have said that they will send the original agreements by return.

 

The paperwork that has been sent home does not have my signatures on - does this mean that they do not have signed original CCA's?

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Send them something like this ;)

 

Thank you for your letter dated xxxxxxx the contents of which are noted.

 

In your letter you make reference to requiring my signature before you will comply with my CCA request.

 

I draw your attention to the fact that the CCA does not require that I supply you a copy of my signature before you comply. You are clearly aware that to date you have happily sent statements and correspondence containing extensive sensitive private information to my address

 

You now have until xxxxxxx to comply with my request within the set down 12 working day period.

 

I note that there is no provision in the CCA 1974 that removes the requirements of the act to provide this information on time, even if you are unsure of my identity.

 

I look forward to receiving the documentation requested in the next xx days so we can resolve this issue

 

 

KWS, WMW :)

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FDAO,

 

it would also help if you have access to a scanner to put the documentation on here for us to see exactly what they have sent.

 

Make sure you cover any personal information and barcodes.

 

Their request for your signature is simply delay tactics but you can always sign but put something within your signature to make it instantly recognisable to you, just copy if before sending it.

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Well when I type a letter on the computer, I just continue with the signature in word as well. (just initials and surname) and just change it to italics.

 

The only company that has asked for an original signature was Capital 1 and this is when I sent them something which I could easily recognise, however the signature that Cap 1 had, was nothing like what I sent, so as I say, this is just a way of delaying things

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I have tried to upload the docs that they sent but cant, so I am going to type the letter in that i received.

 

Card Services

Pitreavie Business Park

Dunferniline

Fife

KY99 4BS

05 July 2010 Dear

Account Number:

I write in response to your request for a copy of your consumer credit agreement under Section 78 of the

Consumer Credit Act 1974 (CCA).

I have enclosed with this letter a copy of your reconstituted version of the executed agreement

comprising both the original and current terms and conditions. -

I have requested a copy of the original signed application form from the relevant department to comply

with your section 60/61 request. You will receive this shortly under separate cover.

The copy of the agreement enclosed with this letter complies with the requirements of the Consumer

Credit (Cancellation Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983 (the “Regulations”).

Regulation 3(2)(b) provides that a copy can omit any signature box, signature or date of signature. In

summary we are not required to produce a copy with your signature on it.

By providing you with the documents attached to this letter, we have satisfied our obligation to provide a copy of the executed agreement under Section 78. As such, the agreement you have with us is fully enforceable and we shall continue to treat it as such. We will not be entering into any further correspondence with you regarding the requirements relating to the provision of copy agreement.

As you have not made the required payments, you were served with a default notice, your agreement was ended on 10th June 2009 and the full balance owing became due. As such at the date of this letter, the full balance on the account of £ is in arrears and due for payment. As the agreement has ended, there is no credit limit in place and no interest is being charged on the debt owing.

If you are using the services of a claims management company we would like to remind you of the warnings issued by the Ministry of Justice and Citizens Advice Bureau. You can find more details about both at:

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I refer you to a quote from the Ministry of Justice that reads “Businesses that mislead the public by claiming they can arrange for unpaid loans, credit card debts or other consumer debts to be written off have been told to stop or face action”.

 

If someone can help me with this I would be grateful.

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here is more of the stuff that they sent me - could someone help me with the payments as it says that i should be paying 2% of the outstanding balance per month?

 

CREDIT CARD AGREEMENT REGULATED BY THE CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974

This is a copy of your Agreement for you to keep. It includes a notice about your cancellation

rights which you should read.

1. PARTIES Theparties to this Agreement are Bank of Scotland plc, The Mound Edinburgh, EHI 1YZ and

2. KEY FINANCIAL INFORMATION

2.1 We will decide your credit limit and tell you what it is. We may change it at any time and will let you know about any change.

2.2 We will send you a monthly statement, unless there have been no payments into or out of the account during that period and the balance is nil. Each month, if the balance is £5.00 or more, you must repay the greater of: a

1% of the amount you owe us; or

b) an amount equal to the total of any Credit Card Repayments Cover premiums, interest (or the minimum interest charge), over limit and late payment fees plus £5.00.

If the balance is less than £5.00 then you must repay the full amount. Your statement will show the date by which you must make this month’s payment.

2.3 The APR for the Agreement is 29.9% APR (variable).

3. OTHER FINANCIAL INFORMATION

3.1 The total charge for credit is £223.78, consisting of £223.78 interest. This is based on credit of £1,500 being borrowed at the start of the agreement over one year at the standard interest rate for purchases set out in condition 3.2 below and repaid in equal monthly instalments beginning one month after the start of the agreement.

3.2 Our interest rates are as follows.

On balance On cheques, On cash On purchases

transfers, related related interest advances, and all other

interest and and charges related interest amounts, except

charges and charges default sums

Standard rate 26.93% 27.95% 29.95% .29.95%

We may apply the standard interest rate during any special promotion period to any transaction if in any month you do not make at least your minimum payment by the payment date or if you exceed your credit limit at any time. We will not charge interest on default sums until the 29th day after you have received a notice telling you of the charge. We will then charge interest on these amounts at the simple interest rate for purchases shown in condition 3.3.

3.3 We calculate interest on your average daily balance and charge it to your account on each statement date. The interest rates shown above are calculated by compounding the interest we charge each month over one year. The simple interest rates (not including interest being charged on interest) are:$

• Balance transfers 24.08% per annum

Cheques 24.90% per annum

Cash advances 26.48% per annum

Purchases 26.48% per annum

3.4 We will pot charge interest on purchases shown on your current statement for up to 59 days from the date of the purchase, if you pay the total balance shown on that statement by the payment date (and have also paid the total balance on the previous statement by the payment date). Where we do charge interest on purchases, we charge it from the date of the transaction. We will always charge you interest on cash advances from the date of the transaction and for cheques, balance transfers and all other amounts from the date we first charge the amount to your account.

3.5 If you do not pay the total balance shown on your statement, at the date of the next statement we will add the interest we have charged on the unpaid amount to the balance we charge interest on. We will continue to charge interest, at our usual rates, on any unpaid balance after this agreement has ended and both before and after we have got a court judgment. If we allow you to miss or reduce one or more monthly payments, we will continue to charge interest on the full amount you owe on your statement (including on the interest for that month).

3.6 We use any payments you make to pay off transactions that appear on your statements starting with those on which we do not charge interest, then those on which we charge interest at the lowest rate and so on up to the highest rate of interest. If the payment is not enough to pay off all transactions at a particular interest rate, we will pay off transactions charged at that interest rate in the order:- balance transfers, cash advances, default sums, purchases and cheques, If you pay more than the amount due shown on your statement, we will use any remaining payment to pay off any transactions that have not yet appeared on your statements statting with those on which we do not charge interest, then those on which we charge, interest at the lowest rate and so on up to the highest rate of interest. If the payment is not enough to pay off all transactions at a particular interest rate which have not yet been shown on your statements, we will firstly pay off interest, fees or insurance you have been charged on balance transfers since your last statement. We will then use it to pay off the same items for cash advances, default sums, purchases and cheques. We will then use any remaining payment to pay off the amount of any balance transfers, cash advances, default sums, purchases and cheques not yet shown on your statement. In this condition, “transaction’ includes the amount of the purchase, cash advance, cheque, default sum or balance transfer plus any interest, fees or insurance payment charged as a result of that transaction. For example, a cash advance fee is included as part of a cash transaction.

3.7 When we work out the APR, we do not take into account any changes to the interest rate, charges or fees. We may change these and also introduce new charges and fees which may affect the APR at any time by giving you notice under condition 12.2.

4. KEY INFORMATION

4.1 We will charge:-

o £12.00 each month in which a minimum payment amount that should have been paid remains outstanding.

• £12.00 each month if, at any time during that month, you go over your credit limit.

• £12.00 each time a direct debit, cheque or other item is not paid, including a cheque which you write.

4.2 We will charge handling fees for cash advances, balance transfers and cheques; a

minimum interest charge; and fees when you make transactions in foreign currency or

pay us in foreign currency. We will also charge you if you ask:-

o for copy statements

o to change your statement date more than twice in any six month period;

o to stop a cheque written to your account (unless the cheque was lost or stolen)

The details of these charges are shown in conditions 5 and 8.1 (stopped cheque fee).

MISSING PAYMENTS

Missing payments could have severe consequences and make obtaining credit more difficult.

IMPORTANT - READ THIS CAREFULLY TO FIND OUT ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS

The Consumer Credit Act 1974 lays down certain requirements for your protection which should have been complied with when this agreement was made. If they were not, we cannot enforce this agreement without getting a court order.

The Act also gives you a number of rights:

1) You can settle this agreement at any time by giving notice in writing and paying off the

amount you owe under the agreement.

2) If you received unsatisfactory goods or services paid for under this agreement, apart from any bought with a cash loan, you may have a right to sue the supplier, us or both.

3) If the contract is not fulfilled, perhaps because the supplier has gone out of business, you may still be able to sue us.

If you would like to know more about your rights under the Act, contact either your local Trading Standards Department or your nearest Citizens’ Advice Bureau.

 

YOUR RIGHT TO CANCEL

Once you have signed this agreement, you will have a short time in which you can cancel

it. We will send you exact details of how and when you can do this.

I wish to purchase Credit Card Repayments Cover. []

I wish to purchase Card Care [1

I understand that I am purchasing the product ticked above on credit provided by you and that the terms relating to the credit for the products can be found in conditions 1 to 4 in

this agreement.

Your Signature

Conditions 1-4 above contain important information that we are required to give by statute. The general credit card conditions also form part of this Agreement. By signing above you agree: a that the details provided by you in your application are correct;

b) that your data may be used as set out in the Data Protection Declaration on the application form; and

c) to be bound by the General Credit Card Conditions.

GENERAL CREDIT CARD CONDITIONS

5. Charges

5.1 We make a handling charge of 3% (at least £3.00) for all cash advances and 3% (at least

£3) for balance transfers and cheques. We may also limit the amount of your overall balance that can be made up of cash advances to a percentage of your overall credit limit. If we apply this cash limit we will tell you what that limit is and we will tell you if it changes at anytime.

5.2 If in any month you incur interest and this is less than Sop, we will make a charge of SOp which will be added to your account in place of the interest.

5.3 If you make transactions in a foreign currency, we will change the amount to sterling at the exchange rate used by the payment system. We will charge 2.95% of the value of each foreign-currency transaction. The sterling amount shown on your statenient will include this charge. If the transaction is a cash advance we also charge the cash advance handling charge shown above. -

5.4 We may also charge you for the following special services.

• Sending a copy statement £5

• Changing your statement date (if you have already £5

asked us to change the date twice in the last six months)

• Processing any foreign currency payment to us £10

5.5 We may change any of the charges listed in conditions 4.1, Sand 8.1 and introduce new charges at any time by giving you notice under condition 12.2.

6 Words with special meanings

 

‘We’, ‘us’ and ‘our’ mean Bank of Scotland plc and any organisation that takes over the benefits of this agreement. The words ‘you’, ‘your’ and ‘yours’ refer to the person who entered into this ag?eement with us.

The following words have a special meaning.

Balance transfer - an’ balance we allow you to transfer from another UK account. Card - any credit card that we give you or any additional cardholder to use with your account. Cash advance - cash, traveller’s cheques or foreign currency obtained by using the card or money transfers, finance payments or gambling transactions made with the card. Cheque - a cheque which we send you to draw money from your account. Continuous payment authority - your instruction for us to make regular payments to someone. We will pay them when the person you have authorised to receive the payment asks us to. Default sum - an amount (other than interest) payable by you under this agreement because you ha’ie broken the agreement. Finance payment using your card to repay finance such as a loan agreement or hire purchase. Gambling transaction using your card to purchase lottery tickets or take part in any form of gambling such as betting, gaming or wagering. Payment date - the date by which you must make your minimum monthly payment. Payment system - the payment system under which we issue the card and any of the people or organisations who own and operate the system. Pin - your personal identification number for you or any additional cardholder to use with the card. Purchases - goods and services bought using the card or card account number. Transaction a purchase, balance transfer or cash advance made or cheque drawn by you or any additional cardholder.

7 Usingyouraccount

7.1 We will open a credit card account for you and give you and anyadditional cardholder a card each. As long as this agreement covers it, we may send you a different type of credit card from the one you asked for, and replace it with a different type of credit card. We may refuse to replace a card if you do not keep to this agreement.

You must not let your account go over your credit limit or use your account if itis already over your credit limit. Your account must not be used for illegal transactions.

We will charge to your account any amounts arising under transactions, which you or any additional cardholder make, and any other amounts you have to pay us under this agreement.

7.2 You cannot use our credit card cheques to pay off any amounts you owe us or to make payments in foreign currencies. . Our credit card cheques are valid until the expiry date printed on the cheque, and cannot be used after that date.

7.3 Cards and unused cheques belong to us. - If we ask you to, you must not use them and must return them to us. We will only ask for them if we have a good reason. For example, if you are not keeping to this agreement, or for security, technical or design reasons. If we ask you to return the card or if we believe the card is being misused, we may also put a ‘stop’ on it. This will prevent you from using it. We may also do this to minimise the risk of fraud if your account has not been used for more-than 12 months. We may change the account number or pin at any time if we have a good reason. You or any additional cardholders must only use the cards between the ‘valid from’ and ‘end dates’ printed on them.

7.4 We will only accept that you have paid any money you owe us when we receive your payment at our processing centre.

7.5 Where interest is payable, the earlier you make a payment, the less interest you have to pay. We do not recommend that you only pay the minimum payment for prolonged periods.

7:6 You must not make payments or transfer funds from another credit or store card to your account that would leave a credit balance on your account. We may return any funds that exceed the balance owing on your account to the account from which the money has been sent.

8 Stopping payments and refunds

8.1 You can stop a cheque if you tell us before we pay it. We may charge a fee of £10, unless the cheque was lost or stolen. You can stop a continuous payment authority if you tell the person you are paying in time. You cannot stop other transactions.

8.2 We will only make a refund to your account if we have reasonable proof that you are

entitled to a refund. -

9 Security

You must sign your card and make sure that anyadditional cardholders sign their cards as soon as you get them. You must make sure that you and any additional cardholders:

• keep the card and cheques safe and keep the pin and other security information secret at all times;

• do not allow anyone else to use your card, pin or other security information;

• always learn your pin and other security information and destroy any notice of the pin straightaway; and

• do not write down or record your pin or other security information without disguising

it.

10 Lost and stolen cards

10.1 You must call us immediately on 08457 203099 if the card or cheques are lost or stolen or could be misused, or someone other than you or any additional cardholder knows the pin. You need to give us the card number. If we ask, you must krite to us within seven days to confirm your call. The address is Bank of Scotland plc, Card Services, Pitreavie Business Park, Dunfermline, File KY99 4B5.

10.2 Generally, you will not be liable for misuse of a card, cheque, or pin (other than by you or an additional cardholder), including where the card is used before you receive it. You will be liable for misuse by a person who got the card with your permission until you tell us about the possibility of misuse. However, you will not have to pay us any money for any loss we suffer because of the use of a card, cheque or pin where they have been used without your authority in connection with a distance contract as defined by the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 or the Financial Services (Distance Marketing) Regulations 2004. We may give the appropriate authorities any information we consider relevant about the loss, theft or misuse of a card, card account number, cheque, or pin.

10.3 If you find any card or cheque after you report it under condition 10.1, you must cut it in half and, if we ask, return it to us.

11. Breaking the agreement and if you die

If the agreement is broken, we will charge you for any loss, costs or expense we have to

reasonably pay as a result. We may ask for immediate payment of the full amount you

owe if:

• you break this agreement repeatedly or in any significant way;

• you die;

• you have told us something misleading or false; or

o you are in financial difficulties (for example, you are likely to be made bankrupt).

We will follow the correct legal requirements when we do this including the requirements

made under the Consumer Credit Act to serve notices before certain action is taken.

12 Changes

12.1 You must write to us immediately if you or any additional cardholder changes your name or address. You should also advise us of any material changes to your personal circumstances that might have an impact on the credit limit assigned to you or to additional offers that we may make.

12.2 We can change your credit limit or cash limit under conditions 2.1 and 5.1, however we will only reduce your credit limit or cash limit if we have a good reason, for example, your circumstances change or because our assessment of the risks of lending to you changes. For any other changes, we can change this agreement, including the interest rates and charges, for any good reason. We will give you at least 30 days’ notice in writing of any change to your disadvantage, other than a change to your interest rates, cash limit or credit limit. We will give you at least 7 days’ notice of any change to your interest rates or any other change to these conditions that is not to your disadvantage.

12.3 We may offer you benefits along with your account and we will tell you what benefits we offer. We may change, withdraw or suspend these benefits at any time by giving you reasonable notice.

13 How we limit our liability

We always try to provide a high level of service, but we will hot be liable for any loss, costs, claims or expenses arising from any cause beyond our reasonable control, including but not limited to:

• if any person or machine refuses to accept a cheque or a card; or

• strikes, power cuts or equipment faults.

14 Additional cardholders

You must pay for all transactions made by any additional cardholder This applies even if the additional cardholder makes you break this agreement. We may give any additional cardholder information about your account. You may only cancel any additional card by cutting it in half and, if we ask you to, by returning it to us.

15 Ending or suspending this agreement

15.1 You may end this agreement immediately by giving us written notice. We may end this agreement by giving you written notice. Normally our notice will be at least 30 days, but, if there are exceptional circumstances for doing so, we can end this agreement immediately. If we do this, we will send you notice immediately after the agreement has

- been ended, unless by law we must tell you first. If your agreement is ended, you must pay us everything you owe (including amounts we have not yet put on the account). You must also destroy all cards, by cutting them in half, and destroy all unused cheques, or return them to us ilwe ask.

15.2 We may restrict or suspend your account at any time without notice if we reasonably believe it is necessary for business or security reasons.

16 Transferring rights under this agreement

16.1 You may not transfer any of your rights or duties under this agreement.

16.2 We may transfer any or all of our rights or duties under this agreement to another organisation (including organisations outside the European Economic Area). If we do this, we may let them have any information about you or an additional cardholder. We may also arrange for any other person to carry out our rights or duties under this agreement. Your rights under this agreement and your legal rights (including under the Consumer Credit Act 1974) will not be affected.

17 General

17.1 We may send any notice or other information to the last address you gave us. We will treat them as arriving two days after we posted them.

17.2 We can monitor and record phone calls to or from us. We do this to check what was said and also to help us train our staff.

17.3 We can delay in enforcing, or fail to enforce, our rights under the agreement without

losing them. We may also accept part-payments marked as ‘payment in full’ or with

similar wording without losing our right to claim full payment. -

17.4 Each paragraph and subparagraph in these conditions is separate from the others. This

means that, if we cannot enforce any one paragraph or subparagraph, it will not affect our

right to enforce any of the others.

17.5 Nobody other than we or you can enforce any part of this agreement, under the Contracts

(Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999.

17.6 This agreement is governed by English law.

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CREDIT CARD AGREEMENT REGULATED BY THE CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974

This is a copy of your Agreement for you to keep. It includes a notice about your cancellation

rights which you should read.

1. PARTIES

The parties to this Agreement are Rank of Scotland plc, The Mound, Edinburgh, EH1 IYZ and

2. KEY FINANCIAL INFORMATION

2.1 We will decide your credit limit and tell you what it is. We may change it at any time and will let you know about any change.

2.2 We will send you a monthly statement, unless there have been no payments into or out of the account during that period and the balance is nil. Each month, if the balance is £5.00 or more, you must repay the greater of: a

1% of the amount you owe us; or

b) an amount equal to the total of any Credit Card Repayments Cover premiums, interest (or the minimum interest charge), over limit and late payment fees plus £5.00.

If the balance is less than £5.00, then you must repay the full amount. Your statement will show the date by which you must make this month’s payment.

2.3 The APR for the Agreement is 12.9% APR (variable).

3. OTHER FINANCIAL INFORMATION

3.1 total charge for credit is £101.00, consisting of £101.00 interest. This is based on credit of £1,500 being borrowed at the start of the agreement over one year at the standard interest rate for purchases set out in condition 3.2 below and repaid in equal monthly instalments beginning one month after the start of the agreement.

3.2 Our interest rates are as follows.

On balance On cheques, On cash On purchases

transfers, related related interest advances, and all other

interest and and charges related interest amounts, except

charges and charges default sums

Standard rate 12.92% 27.95% 27.95% 12.92%

(variable)

per annum

(compounded)

Special

promption rate per annum (fixed)

may apply the standard interest rate during any special promotion period to any transaction if in any month you do not make at least your minithum payment by the payment date or if you exceed your credit limit at anytime. We will not charge interest on default sums until the 29th day after you have received a notice telling you of the charge. We will then charge interest on these amounts at the simple interest rate for purchases shown in condition 3.3.

3.3 We calculate interest on your average daily balance and charge it to your account on each statement date. The interest rates shown above are calculated by compounding the interest we charge each month over one year. The simple interest rates (not including interest being charged on interest) are:-

- Balance transfers 12.20% per annum

Cheques 24.90% per annum

Cash advances 24.90% per annum

Purchases 12.20% jer annum

3.4 We will charge you interest on purchases and cash advances from the date of the transaction and for cheques, balance transfers and all other amounts from the date we first charge the amount to your account.

3.5 If you do not pay the total balance shown on your statement, at the date of the next statement we will add the interest we have charged on the unpaid amount to the balance we charge interest on. We will continue to charge interest, at our usual rates, on any unpaid balance after this agreement has ended and both before and after we have got a court judgment. If we allow you to miss or reduce one or more monthly payments, we will continue to charge interest on the full amount you owe on your statement (including on the interest for that month).

3.6 We use any payments you make to pay off transactions that appear on your statements starting with those on which we do not charge interest, then those on which we charge interest at the lowest rate and so on up to the highest rate of interest. If the payment is not enough to pay off all transactions at a particular interest rate, we will pay off transactions charged at that interest rate in the order:- balance transfers, cash advances, default sums, purchases and cheques. If you pay more than the amount due shown on your statement, we will use any remaining payment to pay off any transactions that have not yet appeared on your statements starting with those on which we do not charge interest, then those on which we charge interest at the lowest rate and so on up to the highest rate of interest. If the payment is not enough to pay off all transactions at a particular interest rate which have not yet been shown on your statements, we will firstly pay off interest, fees or insurance you have been charged on balance transfers since your last statement. We will then use it to pay off the same items for cash advances, default sums, purchases and cheques. We will then use any remaining payment to pay off the amount of any balance transfers, cash advances, default sums, purchases and cheques not yet shown on your statement. In this condition, “transaction” includes the amount of the purchase, cash advance, cheque, default sum or balance transfer plus any interest, fees or insurance payment chared as a result of that transaction. For example, a cash advance fee is included as part of a cash transaction.. -

3.7 When we work out the APR, we do not take into account any changes to the interest rate, charges or fees. We may change these and also introduce new charges and fees which may affect the APR at any time by giving you notice under condition 12.2.

4. KEY INFORMATION -

4.1 We will charge:-

• £12.00 each month in which a minimum payment amount that should have been paid remains outstanding.

• £12.00 each month if, at any time during that month, you go over your credit limit.

o £12.00 each time a direct debit, cheque or other item is not paid, including a cheque which you write.

4.2 We will charge handling fees for cash advances, balance transfers and cheques; a

minimum interest charge; and fees when you make transactions in foreign currency or

pay us in foreign currency. We will also charge you if you ask:

for copy statements

• to change your statement date more than twice in any six month period;

• to stop a cheque written to your account (unless the cheque was lost or stolen)

The details of these charges are shown in conditions 5 and 8.1 (stopped cheque fee).

MISSING PAYMENtS

Missing payments could have severe consequences and make obtaining credit more difficult, IMPORTANT- READ THIS CAREFULLY TO FIND OUT ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS

The Consumer Credit Act 1974 lays down certain requirements for your protection which should have been complied with when this agreement was made. If they were not, we cannot enforce this agreement without getting a court order.

The Act also gives you a number of rights:

1) You can settle this agreement at any time by giving notice in writing and paying off the

amount you owe under the agreement,

2) If you received unsatisfactory goods or services paid for under this agreement, apart from

any bought with a cash loan, you may have a right to sue the supplier, us or both.

3) If the contract is not fulfilled, perhaps because the supplier has gone out of business, you

may still be able to sue us.

If you would like to know more about your rights under the Act, contact either you local Trading Standards Department or your nearest Citizens’ Advice Bureau.

THEFT, LOSS OR MISUSE OF CREDIT CARD

If your credit card is lost, stolen or misused by someone without your permission, you may have to pay up to £0 of any loss to us. If it is misused with your permission you will probably be liable for ALL losses. You will not be liable to us for losses which take place after you have told us about the theft, etc as long as you confirm this in writing within seven days.

YOUR RIGHT TO CANCEL

Once you have signed this agreement, you will have a short time in which you can cancel it. We will send you exact details of how and when you can do this.

I wish to purchase Credit Card Repayments Cover. []Tick box

I wish to purchase Card Care []Tick box

I understand that I am purchasing the product ticked above on credit provided by you and that the terms relating to the credit for the products can be found in conditions I to 4 in

this agreement.

Your Signature

Conditions 1-4 above contain important information that we are required to give by statute. The general credit card conditions also form part of this Agreement. By signing above you agree: a that the details provided by you in your application are correct;

b) that your data may be used as set out in the Data Protection Declaration on the application form; and

c) to be bound by the General Credit Card Conditions.

GENERAL CREDIT CARD CONDITIONS

S. Charges

5.1 We make a handling charge of 3.00% (at least £3.00) for all cash advances and 3% (at least £3) for cheques. We may also limit the amount of your overall balance that can be made up of cash advances to a percentage of your overall credit limit. If we apply this cash limit we will tell you what that limit is and we will tell you if it changes at any time.

5.2 If in any month you incur interest and this is less than SOp, we will make a charge of SOp which will be added to your account in place of the interest.

5.3 If you make transactions in a foreign currency, we will change the amount to sterling at the exchange rate used by the payment system. We will charge 2.95% of the value of each foreign-currency transaction. The sterling amount shown on your statement will include this charge. If the transaction is a cash advance we also charge the cash advance handling charge shown above.

5.4 We may charge a handling fee of 3% (at least £3) for balance transfers offered at special promotional rates other than a special promotional rate you received when your account was opened.

5.5 We may also cMrge you for the following special services.

• Sending a copy statement £5

• Changing your statement date (if you have already £5

asked us to change the date twice in the last six months)

• Processing any foreign currency payment to us £10

5.6 We may change any of the charges listed in conditions 4.1, 5 and 8.1 and introduce new charges at any time by giving you nofice under conditIon 12.2.

6 Words with special meanings

We’, ‘us’ and ‘our’ mean Bank of Scotland plc and any organisation that takes over the benefits of this agreement. The words ‘you’, ‘your’ and yours’ refer to the person who entered into this agreement with us.

The following words have a special meaning.

Balance transfer - any balance we allow you to transfer from another UK accOunt. Card - any credit card that we give you or any additional cardholder to use with your account. Cash advance - cash, traveller’s cheques or foreign currency obtained by using the card or money transfers, finance payments or gambling transactions made with the card. Cheque - a cheque which we send you to draw money from your account. Continuous payment authority - your instruction for us to make regular payments to someone. We will pay them when the person you have authorised to receive the payment asks us to. Default sum .. an amount (other than interest) payable by you under this agreement

because you have broken the agreement. Finance payment using your card to repay finance such as a loan agreement or hire purchase. Gambling transaOtion .— using your card to purchase lottery tickets or take part in any form of gambling such as betting, gaming or wagering. Payment date - the date by which you must make your minimum monthly payment. Payment system - the payment system under which we issue the card and any of the people or organisations who own and operate the system. Pin - your personal identification number for you or any additional cardholder to use with the card. Purchases - goods and services bought using the card or card account number. Transaction a purchase, balance transfer or cash advance made or cheque drawn by you or any additional cardholder,

7 Using your account

7.1 We will open a credit card account for you and give you and any additional cardholder a card each. As long as this agreement covers it, we may send you a different type of credit card from the one you asked for, and replace it with a different type of credit card. We may refuse to replace a card if you do not keep to this agreement.

You must not let your account go over your credit limit or use your account if it is already over your credit limit. Your account must not be used for illegal transactions.

We will charge to your account any amounts arising under transactions, which you or any additional cardholder make, and any other amounts you have to pay us under this agreement.

7.2 You cannot use our dredit card cheques to pay off any amounts you owe us or to make payments in foreign currencies. Our credit card cheques are valid until the expiry date printed on the cheque, and cannot be used after that date.

7.3 Cards and unused cheques belong to us. If we ask you to, you must not use them and

must return them to us. We will only ask for them if we have a good reason. For

example, if you are not keeping to this agreement, or for security, technical or design

reasons. If we ask you to return the card or if we believe the card is being misused, we

may also put a ‘stop’ on it. This will prevent you from using it. We may also do this to

minimise the risk of fraud if your account has not been used for more than 12 months.

We may change the account number or pin at any time if we have a good reason. You or

any additional cardholders must only use the cards between the ‘valid from’ and ‘end

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7.4 We will only accept that you have paid any money you owe us when we receive your

payment at our processing centre.

7.5 Where interest is payable, the earlier you make a payment, the less interest you have to

pay. We do Snot recommend that you only pay the minimum payment for prolonged

periods.

7.6 You must not make payments or transfer funds from another credit or store card to your

account that would leave a credit balance on your account. We may return any funds

that exceed the balance owing on your account to the account from which the money has

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8 Stopping payments and refunds

8.1 You can stop a cheque if you tell us before we pay it, We may charge a fee of £10, unless the cheque was lost or stolen. You can stop a continuous payment authority if you tell the person you are paying in time. You cannot stop other transactions.

 

 

 

 

8.2 We will only make a refund to your account if we have reasonable proof that you are entitled to a refund.

9 Security

You must sign your card and make sure that any additional cardholders sign their cards as soon as you get them. You must make sure that you and any additional cardholders:

• keep the card and cheques safe and keep the pin and other security information secret at all times;

• do not allow anyone else to use your card, pin or other security information; -

o always learn your pin and other security information and destroy any notice of the pin straightaway; and

• do not write down or record your pin or other security information without disguising

it.

10 Lost and stolen cards -

10.1 You must call us immediately on 08457 203099 ii the card or cheques are lost or stolen or could be misused, or someone other than you or any additional cardholder knows the pin. You need to give us the card number. If we askT you must write to us within seven days to confirm your call. The address is Bank of Scotland plc, Card Services, Pitreavie Business Park, Dunfermline, Fife KY99 4BS.

10.2 Generally, you will not be liable for misuse of a card, cheque, or pin (other than by you or an additional cardholder), including where the card is used before you receive it. You will be liable for misuse by a person who got the card with your permission until you tell us about the possibility of misuse. However, you will not have to pay us any money for any loss we suffer because of the use of a card, cheque or pin where they have been used without your authority in connection with a distance contract as defined by the Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 or the Financial Services (Distance Marketing) Regulations 2004. We may give the appropriate authorities any information we consider relevant about the loss, theft or misuse of a card, card account number, cheque, or pin.

10.3 If you find any card or cheque after you report it under condition 10.1, you must cut it in half and, if we ask, return it to us.

11. Breaking the agreement and if you die

If the agreement is broken, we will charge you for any loss, costs or expense we have to

reasonably pay as a result. We may ask for immediate payment of the full amount you

owe if:

• you break this agreement repeatedly or in any significant waV;

• you die;

• you have told us something misleading or false; or

• you are in financial difficulties (for example, you are likely to be made bankrupt).

We will follow the correct legal requirements when we do this including the requirements

made under the Consumer Credit Act to serve notices before certain action is taken.

12 Changes

12.1 You must write to us immediately if you or any additional cardholder changes your name or address: You should also advise us of any material changes to ybur personal circumstances that might have an impact on the credit limit assigned to you or to additional offers that we may make.

12.2 We can change your credit limit or cash limit under conditions 2.1 and 5.1, however we will only reduce your credit limit or cash limit if we have a good reason, for example, your circumstances change or because our assessment of the risks of lending to you changes.

For any other changes, we can change this agreement, including the interest rates and charges, for any good reason. We will give you at least 30 days’ notice in writing of any change to your disadvantage, other than a change to your interest rates, cash limit or credit limit. We will give you at least 7 days’ notice of any change to your interest rates or any other change to these conditions that is not to your disadvantage.

12.3 We may offer you benefits along with your account and we will tell you what benefits we offer. We may change, withdraw or suspend these benefits at any time by giving you reasonable notice.

13 How we limit our liability

We always try to provide a high level of service, but we will not be liable for any loss, costs, claims or expenses arising from any cause beyond our reasonable control, including but not limited to:

a if any person or machine refuses to accept? cheque or a card; or

• strikes, power cuts or equipment faults.

14 Additional cardholders

You must pay for all transactions made by any additional cardholder. This applies even if the additional cardholder makes you break this agreement. We may give any additional cardholder information about your account. You may only cancel any additional card by cutting it in half and, if we ask you to, by returning it tous.

15 Ending or suspending this agreement

15.1 You may end this agreement immediately by giving us written notice. We may end this agreement by giving you written notice. Normally our notice will be at least 30 days, but, if there are exceptional circumstances for doing so, we can end this agreement immediately. If we do this, we will send you notice immediately after the agreement has been ended, unless by law we must tell you first. If your agreement is ended, you must pay us everything you owe (including amounts we have not yet put on the account). You must also destroy all cards, by cutting them in half, and destroy all unused cheques, or return them to us if we ask.

15.2 We may restrict àr suspend your account at any time without notice if we reasonably believe it is necessary for business or security reasons.

16 - Transferring rights under this agreement

16.1 You may not transfer any of your rights or duties under this agreement.

16.2 We may transfer any or all of our rights or duties under this agreement to another organisation (including organisations outside the European Economic Area). If we do this, we may let them have any information about you or an additional cardholder. We may also arrange for any other person to carry out our rights or duties under this agreement. Your rights.under this agreement and your legal rights (including under the Consumer Credit Act 1974) will not be affected.

17 General

17.1 We may send any notice or other information to the last address you gave us. We will treat them as arriving two days after we posted them.

17.2 We can monitor and record phone calls to or from us. We do this to check what was said and also to help us train our staff.

17.3 We can- delay in enforcing, or fail to enforce, our rights under the agreement without losing them. We may also accept part-payments marked as ‘payment in full’ or with similar wording without losing our right to claim full payment.

17.4 Each paragraph and subparagraph in these conditions is separate from the others. This means that, if we cannot enforce any one paragraph or subparagraph, it will not affect our right to enforce any of the others.

17.5 Nobody other than we or you can enforce any part of this agreement, under the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999.

17.6 This agreement is governed by English law.

T96R FLATNG2 01/10/08

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Ok the min amount for the £284.23 is £5.69 and the min amount for the £1,537.70 is £31 ish this is per month!!

 

The letter is bog standard everyday run of the mill automatically produced by a machine. What have they sent with regards to your signed agreement? Does it contain the prescribed terms?

 

KWS, WMW :)

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WMW

 

the response on the letter was:

 

I write in response to your request for a copy of your consumer credit agreement under Section 78 of the

Consumer Credit Act 1974 (CCA).

I have enclosed with this letter a copy of your reconstituted version of the executed agreement

comprising both the original and current terms and conditionslink3.gif. -

I have requested a copy of the original signed application form from the relevant department to comply with your section 60/61 request. You will receive this shortly under separate cover.

The copy of the agreement enclosed with this letter complies with the requirements of the Consumer

Credit (Cancellation Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983 (the “Regulations”).

Regulation 3(2)(b) provides that a copy can omit any signaturelink3.gif box, signature or date of signature. In summary we are not required to produce a copy with your signature on it.

By providing you with the documents attached to this letter, we have satisfied our obligation to provide a copy of the executed agreement under Section 78. As such, the agreement you have with us is fully enforceable and we shall continue to treat it as such. We will not be entering into any further correspondence with you regarding the requirements relating to the provision of copy agreement.

 

 

This is what the letter said, - please see the text in red.

 

What do I do next?

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Right the actually document you signed hasnt been sent yet, its been requested under section 60/61 of the CCA 1974 so really you cant assess the agreement to establish if it is enforceable yet.

 

The amounts you have been paying are way above what you are legally bound to pay each month, if I were you and you can afford that sort of payment each month I would put together a letter stating that you are going to be make a "Goodwill" gesture and pay 2% of each of the balances per month by standing order until such time as the situation changes.

 

This is upto you in the end though, with the SAR you have made you can then calculated how much they owe you back and fingers crossed these amounts will wipe out the remaining debts ;)

 

KWS, WMW

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I have come across this letter - is it worth sending?

 

Re: my request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

Thank you for your recent letter sent to me, the contents of which are noted. I appreciate your quick response to my original letter. However, the reply received by me does not fulfil your requirements under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

The Act demands that I be supplied with a true copy of any properly executed credit agreement that exists in relation to the above account. I may ask for this on demand providing that a fee of £1.00 is paid. This fee was sent with my original letter.

 

My request remains outstanding. The items you sent in your reply, does not constitute a true copy of any credit agreement that may or may not have been signed by me on the opening of this account. It neither confirms that I am liable for any alleged debt to you, nor gives me any chance to evaluate whether any original agreement was ‘properly executed’.

 

I still require you to send me a true copy of the original credit agreement that you allege exists. As you will know, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, a judge is not permitted to make any enforcement order unless the creditor can provide a true signed copy of the original credit agreement. This means that unless you can produce such an agreement, this alleged debt is not enforceable in law.

 

You had until XX/XX/2008 to provide me with the true copy I requested. You are now in default of my request. Any account I hold with you is now in legal dispute. Whilst the account remains in dispute, you are not permitted to ask for any payment, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you. Furthermore, whilst the dispute remains, you are not entitled to charge any interest on the account, nor make any further charges to the account. Additionally, you are not entitled to register any information on this account with any credit reference agency.

 

To register information with a credit reference agency, you must have written consent from the customer to collate and share such information. This consent is given in the form of a signed credit agreement, so until you produce such an agreement, you may not do this.

 

The requirement for consent to share data is a clear requirement of the Data Protection Act 1998. any such attempts to share my data without my consent will be met with a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office

 

To sum up, I will not be making any further payments to you until you provide me with the document I have requested. Whilst you remain in default of my request, you are not permitted to take any action against this account. This includes adding further charges and passing any information to the credit reference agencies .

 

Should you not have any signed credit agreement in relation to this alleged debt, please confirm this in writing to me.

 

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Yours faithfully

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You can use that but the recent McGuffick case and Carey will be used by them to argue they do not need to send a signed agreement to comply with a CCA section 78 request.

 

I will come back with more shortly.

 

KWS, WMW:)

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in the letter you have found add the case Micthell Vs Bank of Scotland (June 2009) regarding section 61 and what that judgment stated is required and Wilson V Secretary of State for Trade and Industry which makes it clear that if a creditor cannot provide the correct paperwork it loses all rights within the agreement.

 

I will come back with more and if you need quotes from the judgments just ask ;)

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