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What hits me straight away with this article is;

 

"In the email it was revealed that JBW Group was employing an enforcement officer with a criminal record"

 

I can't get my head around the hypocrisy of the councils insistence that the debt enforcement firms only employ bailiffs with no criminal record.

 

The whole point about private bailiffs is that they have no reservations about breaking the law, especially when it is encouraged by the local authorities.

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It actually looks like Crud todays opening editorial as opposed to being any part of Newlands statement;

 

Enforcement firm Newlyn Group has said it will robustly defend itself against a legal challenge made by its rival JBW Group.

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I did wonder when this would surface :-)

 

It has already featured on CAG about 10 days ago. This is the response from Newlyn. They have both provided copies of letters on their relevant websites.

 

The story itself is very old.

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TT what do you think prompted the about turn by Leeds ?

 

It was well reported in the Yorkshire press and a lot of the feedback was pretty much behind the Councils initial decision.

Of course I know your personal take on things-but think that this differs very much from a large proportion of people living in Yorkshire.

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I expect that Leeds Council realised that JBW is acting honourably in allowing a man with a past to continue his rehabilitation. So long as pragmatic management safeguards are in place, there should be no cause for criticism.

 

People should be embarrassed that this story keeps cropping up.

 

Do we really want people who have been sent to prison restricted to very menial jobs for the rest of their lives? Or made to live on the dole?

 

The man should be left alone to get over his mistakes and on with his life.

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I expect that Leeds Council realised that JBW is acting honourably in allowing a man with a past to continue his rehabilitation. So long as pragmatic management safeguards are in place, there should be no cause for criticism.

 

People should be embarrassed that this story keeps cropping up.

 

Do we really want people who have been sent to prison restricted to very menial jobs for the rest of their lives? Or made to live on the dole?

 

The man should be left alone to get over his mistakes and on with his life.

 

 

The story of Wayne Stokes has to my knowledge been "doing the rounds" for nearly a year and is being brought back to life by (if industry gossip is correct) by one or possibly two BAILIFF COMPANIES who are probably wanting to get their hands on a Local Authorities bailiff contract. In this case, Leeds City Council. However, my understanding is that they have a valid Contract with JBW that still has a remaining period to run.

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I expect that Leeds Council realised that JBW is acting honourably in allowing a man with a past to continue his rehabilitation. So long as pragmatic management safeguards are in place, there should be no cause for criticism.

 

People should be embarrassed that this story keeps cropping up.

 

Do we really want people who have been sent to prison restricted to very menial jobs for the rest of their lives? Or made to live on the dole?

 

The man should be left alone to get over his mistakes and on with his life.

 

Although I totally agree with the sentiment and principle that you espouse , i think that common sense should dictate that criminally minded people should be restricted from the morally and legally grey area of debt collecting , reformed criminals should not be enforcing the law , too many potential conflicts of interest .

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"Criminally minded people".

 

I agree with you: but who can say that this man is "criminally minded"? I realise that a criminal conviction makes a person a criminal - but to be "criminally minded" is something else. It implies a way of life.

 

People commit crime for all sorts of reasons. In this case, it seems that he tried too hard to make his business work. I'm not excusing that but it seems to me to have been a one-off lapse. I understand that it was a serious lapse but we must, surely, keep a clear distinction between someone for whom crime is a way of life and someone who commits an isoliated crime.

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I agree with you: but who can say that this man is "criminally minded"? I realise that a criminal conviction makes a person a criminal - but to be "criminally minded" is something else. It implies a way of life.

 

People commit crime for all sorts of reasons. In this case, it seems that he tried too hard to make his business work. I'm not excusing that but it seems to me to have been a one-off lapse. I understand that it was a serious lapse but we must, surely, keep a clear distinction between someone for whom crime is a way of life and someone who commits an isoliated crime.

 

No he is definately criminally minded , this was not an isolated crime he stole over £100,000 , after he had hypocritically put the lean on people for unpaid debts to the council , sorry to be judgemental but he is definately a wrong-un >

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No he is definately criminally minded , this was not an isolated crime he stole over £100,000 , after he had hypocritically put the lean on people for unpaid debts to the council , sorry to be judgemental but he is definately a wrong-un >

 

How do you know that?

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How do you know that?

 

From what I read in the Credit today article linked above , and not only did he choose to be a debt collector , he was a thieving [and caught , thus stupid } debt collector to boot , Taking money from the poor on behalf of the sherriff , {council} ,and pocketing it , he's hardly Robin Hood .

if he was a straight up thief from the rich , I would not be so judgemental .

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From what I read in the Credit today article linked above , and not only did he choose to be a debt collector , he was a thieving [and caught , thus stupid } debt collector to boot , Taking money from the poor on behalf of the sherriff , {council} ,and pocketing it , he's hardly Robin Hood .

if he was a straight up thief from the rich , I would not be so judgemental .

 

I see. So, in fact, you don't know.

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"Do we really want people who have been sent to prison restricted to very menial jobs for the rest of their lives? Or made to live on the dole?"

 

There is a big difference between the above - and getting a job that carries the title "court officer" with powers to climb in through people's windows - and - make regular judgment calls with harsh consequences for those wronged.

 

We can debate his character all day long, but we don't know him.

 

We do know he has poor judgment.

 

In my opinion, if you have a criminal record for any form of deception you should not be a: Policeman, court official, solicitor, bank employee, traffic warden, bailiff etc etc...

 

Feel free to become property a tycoon, vet, retailer, tv repair man..... a pretty much infinite list that DOES NOT infer that you have been vetted and can be trusted.

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If we make sweeping judgements about an entire occupation, we're exercising a bigotary that we would consider unacceptable if applied to a racial or age group. Do we assume that all pawnbrokers fence stolen goods, all car dealers turn back the clock, all builders and plumbers do shoddy work and so on?

 

If we do not believe that people can get over mistakes, if we do not accept that people can change for the better as well as for the worse, then we don't understand what it means to be human.

 

But I'm just an unrealistic idealist and so should leave this argument to wiser people who live in the real world.

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Not really.

 

If he's been done for deception, then the guy should not be acting as a court officer - and certainly not where he's given ample opportunity to exploit others for his own expense.

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Not really.

 

If he's been done for deception, then the guy should not be acting as a court officer...

 

I think this debate has passed it's sell by date but one detail should be clarified.

 

JBW has been at pains to point out that the man in question is not acting as a bailiff. He is not a court officer. Neither is he handling money or in contact with defaulters.

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I think this debate has passed it's sell by date but one detail should be clarified.

 

JBW has been at pains to point out that the man in question is not acting as a bailiff. He is not a court officer. Neither is he handling money or in contact with defaulters.

 

If the person was "out on the street" knocking on doors or operating an ANPR vehicle then there would be grounds for complaints. He is not.

 

The story has done it's rounds, and I for one will not be responding to any further posts on this subject.

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I think this debate has passed it's sell by date but one detail should be clarified.

 

JBW has been at pains to point out that the man in question is not acting as a bailiff. He is not a court officer. Neither is he handling money or in contact with defaulters.

 

Is he the "muscle' that turns up drives around with the Bailiff ?

Does he polish the APNR camera lenses , clean the other bailiffs boots and make the tea ?

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Well he can probably teach jamie waller something new about how to avoid the courts. How to lie at every hearing. How to use oury clarke and agreed tactics with them (Oury clarke are jbw legal reps). Also how to pinch peoples cars. How to [problem] money out of them. Also i bet you the moj do not know jbw have taken over one of their contractors national enforcement services ?

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