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    • Hi Guys,   Following in from my 17 page thread, that dates back over ten years, I am starting a new thread, at the suggestion of the site team. My issue relates the a) service charges relating to the Leasehold flat I bought back in 2006 b) a Managing Agent who is of questionable abilities as a manager of our block of flats. The Managing Agent has claimed £6k in fees to which (I think, as does the new Landlord) he was not entitled. I am wanting to get it back, and/or the fees on my account calculating properly which would leave me with a credit balance.  I am recently in receipt of a 4th claim relating to this dispute, with two of the previous three going 'no where'. The other one they won in default on 2011, but I successfully had that set-aside.They have not given me the money back though. It all started due to poor management of the block, and it transpired upon scrutiny that the management arrangements appear to be unenforceable prior to 2014. It's very complicated. This information is required simply posted, and not as a PDF, so here goes:   1.       BlurredFX Service Charge Saga 2.       Sept 2006 a.       In 2006 BFX buys a leasehold flat. His solicitor advises him that Ground Rent is payable to Landlord-one and Service Charges are payable, but to be wary of the service charges, as he is unable to confirm how they are being administrated. b.       BFX is sent a bill for service charges from PQR Managing Agent. BFX enquires as the legitimacy of the service charges, but is unable to get a satisfactory answer. The service charge requests are not complicit with the required legislation – such as the name of the Landlord. They are served in the name of ABC Management Company Ltd c/o PQR Managing Agents. c.       ABC Management Company has two Directors, both residents of the block in which BFX resides and to which this dispute relates. d.       Landlord-one is absent, except for Ground Rent requests. 3.       2006-2009 a.       Despite written and verbal requests, BFX refuses to pay any service charges until ABC Management Company are properly authorised by Landlord-one – because without such, he has no recourse or way to complain. b.       Demands are not complicit with the legislation. c.       The property was not properly maintained. For example, the lease obligations for an internal redecoration every five years had no been met. The obligations to maintain the exterior of the had not been met, and the timber double glazing was starting to rot quite badly. 4.       2008/2009/2010 a.       TUV Managing Agent Ltd buys out PQR Managing Agent (a sole trader, I believe). They seem to operate interchangeably for a few years, using different headed paper along the way. They seem to be interchangeable. It is the same personnel. 5.       June 2009 a.       TUV Managing Agent LTD, on behalf of ABC Management Company Ltd, file a court claim against BFX. [CLAIM2009] b.       BFX asks them to fully particularise their claim, including asking for details of who authorised them to manage the building and various other pertinent questions. 6.       10th August 2009 a.       BFX sends CPR18 – request for information to TUV Managinig Agent c/o ABC Management Company 7.       2009 a.       Hearing is scheduled for Jan 2010 [CLAIM2009] 8.       February 2010 a.       There is a hearing. b.       Ref: [CLAIM2009] c.       From the Court: IT IS ORDERED THAT the claim be stayed to enable the Parties to endeavour to reach a settlement if no application is made to restore by Tuesday 6th April 2010, the claim be struck out 9.       24th March 2010 a.       TUV Managing Agent sends BFX an agreement to sign, agreeing to pay. BFX does not sign the document. 10.   2010 – 30th or 31st March 2010 a.       BFX attends a meeting with a Director of ABC Management Company and Director of TUV Managing Agent. b.       BFX outlines his position, and suggests a verbal agreement to pay from 2006-2010 once the management of the block is properly administrated – my preference being the ‘RTM route’. c.       The other people at the meeting do not appear to understand. 11.   1st April 2010 a.       TUV Managing Agent on behalf of ABC Management Company write to the Court, asking that the claim be restored, claiming BFX has remained silent. b.       Notice of allocation from the Court, dated 15th April, for a hearing in July. 12.   July 2010 a.       On the day, a lady at the Court informs BFX that TUV Managing Agent has been on the phone, and said that BFX has paid the money and to cancel the hearing. b.       BFX had not paid any money at all. c.       Nothing more is heard of [CLAIM2009] 13.   6th October 2010 a.       ABC Management Co c/o TUV Managing Agent send a letter, after the Freehold Reversion of BFX’s block comes up for sale. TUV Managing Agent outline three options – do nothing, RTM, or buy the freehold. b.       BFX opines that it is not good advice, but is ignored. 14.   December 2010 a.       BFX’s health starts to visibly deteriorate. 15.   Late April 2011 a.       BFX is blue-lighted into the regional hospital, as witnessed by Director of ABC Management Company. 16.   Early May 2011 a.       TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company, commence a new claim against BFX – literally within a week or so of BFX going into Hospital! b.       This is [CLAIM2011] 17.   August 2011 a.       TUV Managing Agent and ABC Management Company are awarded Judgement in Default. b.       BFX remains critically ill in Hospital. 18.   September 2011 a.       Letter from BFX’s Mortgage Company-One to BFX b.       “We have been advised by TUV Managing Agent that your Ground Rent and Service Charges of £6k-ish has not been paid.” Iy goes on to say pay them. 19.   September 2011 a.       In reference to [CLAIM2011] a letter from TUV Managing Agent to BFX’s Mortgage Company-One states: b.       “As the managing agents of BFX’s Block, I write to advise you that your client, BFX, is in severe arrears and therefore is in breach of his lease. c.       “A County Court Judgement was served on August 2011 in the sum of £6k-ish. A Copy of the Judgement is enclosed for your reference. d.       “I therefore request that this payment is now made in full by your client within 21 days, failure to do so will result in further action being taken and a Section 146Notice [sic] being served on Mr Piggin” 20.   October 2011 a.       Letter from TUV Managing Agent to BFX’s Mortgage Company-One states: b.       “Further to your letter of 25th October 2011, please find below the details of the bank account to make payment of the outstanding service charge and ground rent for the above property” [BFX’s property] c.       Mortgage Company-one makes a payment to ABC Management Co c/o TUV Managing Agent, for the claim amount. 21.   January 2012 a.       Landlord-one sells his freehold to Landlord-two. BFX receives a letter from Landlord-one’s solicitor. It states: b.       “…we write to advise that the benefit of the receipt of the ground rent payable under such Lease has now been transferred to Landlord-two to whom all future payments of ground rent including all arrears and the amount due from 2st January 2012 shall be payable to and whose receipt shall be a full and absolute discharge under such Lease” 22.   February 2012 a.       Landlord-one sells his freehold to Landlord-two. b.       Landlord-two writes to BFX stating that he owes Ground Rent since 2006. c.       That letter from Landlord-two to BFX also states d.       “While we have no wish to disrupt and current workable management arrangements we do have concerns in that respect as the building is not being managed strictly in accordance with the Lease provisions and although we would have no great objection to ABC Management Company Ltd continuing with the management of the structural and communal areas of the building we would be happier if the present informal arrangement, which could in theory be discontinued at any time by any party, could be formalised either by a Deed of Variation being entered into in connection with each individual leaseholder or by a complete Deed of Variation being entere into by all parties. We hope you will support a Deed of Variation and would request your written views in that respect. e.       “We were in direct communication with PQR Managing Agent prior to completion of our purchase and enclose for your information copy letter written to that firm on 11th January 2012. PQR Managing Agent have confirmed they have never received any ground rent payments and they are raising our ‘insurance concerns’ with X Insurer.” f.        The letter referred to above also asks PQR Managing Agent to make certain material disclosures to X Insurer. g.       In his letter to TUV/PQR Managing Agent, dated 11th of Jan, Landlord-two also states, h.       “As management is current [sic] carried out by you on behalf of ABC Management Company Limited, who are not named in the Lease and therefore maintenance obligations are unenforceable against or by that company, you may wish to give consideration to:” It then proposes a) a deed of variation, or b) Landlord-two becomes a client of TUV Property Management, and long term management is done that way. i.         The letter from Landlord-two continues: j.         “Finally, while we appreciate that you are not authorised to collect ground rent and indeed we assume you have not therefore been collecting ground rent, can you please confirm for the avoidance of doubt that you have never collected any ground rent payments from any leaseholder in connection with this building or, if you have collected any ground rent payments, can you please let us have details of such payments.” 23.   October 2012 a.       BFX makes an application for the Judgement to be set-aside, an account of his being hospitalised almost constantly since April 2011. b.       A hearing is scheduled. 24.   January 2013 a.       There is a hearing, the Judgement against BFX is set-aside. TUV Managing Agent and ABC Management Company do not attend. BFX has until February to file his Defence and Counterclaim, which he does. 25.   March 2013 a.       AQ’s submitted, and hearing scheduled. b.       TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company is ordered to pay the hearing fee. 26.   18th April 2013 a.       Court orders unless TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company pays the fees, the claim shall be struck out. b.       Letter from the Court: BFX’s counterclaim remains listed for May 2013. There is a hearing, and TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company fail to attend. 27.   May 2013 a.       After a hearing, where TUV Managing Agent and ABC Management Company fail to attend, the Court orders: “The claim be adjourned generally with the liberty to restore on the application of either party.” 28.   2nd half of 2013 and 2014 a.       Various letter from TUV Property Management, and meetings of residents. It is decided by Leaseholders in BFX’s block that we should exercise our ‘right-to-manage’. 29.   17th February 2014 a.       Letter from a solicitor dealing with the RTM progress, it says Landlord-two now has 28 days to file a response. 30.   4th June 2014 a.       BFX Receives a letter from TUV Property Management it states: b.       “Please find enclosed a new standing order form for BFX’s block. c.       “We have opened a new current account for BFX’s block due to the Right to Manage coming into effect in 1st July 2014 d.       “The new standing order is to commence on 1st July 2014…” e.       It continues with pleasantries about cancelling old SO etc. 31.   2nd July 2014 a.       The newly formed ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.3k, the description on the invoice being ‘Account Adjustment: Transfer from previous Management Company’ 32.   2nd July 2014 a.       The newly formed ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.6k, the description on the invoice being ‘Account Adjustment: For period 4th July 2014 – 30th September 2014’ 33.   28th July 20014 (1) a.       ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.5k, having added £12. It states ‘Account Adjustment: Title Register’. b.       IT ALSO SHOWS BFX’s FIRST PAYMENT of 1 month’s service charges to ABC RTM Company Ltd as ‘Payment Received’ 34.   28th July 20014 (2) a.       ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.8k, having added £360 court fees. It states ‘Account Adjustment: Court Fees’ 35.   28th July 20014 (3) a.       ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £4k, having added £120 in court fees 36.   11th August 2014 a.       The newly formed ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX adding another £85. Description: ‘HM Court fee as fee is £205 not £120 – difference’ 37.   August 2014 a.       Following another emergency admission to Hospital for BFX, ABC RTM Company Limited immediately file a claim [CLAIM2014] for alleged arrears from 2011-2014. Approximately £4k. 38.   November 2014 a.       From the Court: Claim [CLAIM2014] stayed until February 2015, by which time the Defendant is to serve his Defence and in default shall file and serve further medical evidence supporting his inability to do the same. 39.   September 2015 a.       Claim stayed until end of October 2015 40.   November 2015 a.       Claim stayed until Jan 2016 41.   8th January 2016 a.       BFX makes an application for summary judgement [of CLAIM2014] that the claim be struck out, as it is a relitigation of [CLAIM2011] 42.   Feb 2016 a.       Transferred to local Court. 43.   31st March 2016 a.       There was a hearing of my application (I think) b.       From the Court, re [CLAIM2014] c.       IT IS ORDERED THAT d.       The hearing of today’s date be adjourned e.       The Claimant to file and serve a fully Particulars (detailed) Particulars of claim [sic] to set out the basis to the claim, entitlement of the Claimant to recover sums from the Defendant, detailing sums recovered and any outstanding payment plus other details which the Claimand may advise to address by 22 april 2016 f.        The Defendant to file and serve a detailed defence addressing the Particulars of Claim in paragraph 2 above by 12 may 2016 g.       If the Defendant wishes the application of today’s date to be relisted (upon consideration of the fully particularised Particulars of Claim), the Defendant should write to the court, at the same time as filing a defence, with a copy of this order, asking for the Court to relist the application for hearing with an estimated length of 1 hour 30 minutes (30 minutes of it being reading time). In the event that the application is relisted, both parties to file and serve detailed statements addressing the subject matter of the application 7 clear days before the hearing. 44.   17th May 2016 a.       From the court: b.       “IT IS ORDERED THAT The Defendants application be relisted in accordance with the order made on the 31st March 2016 on Monday 27th June at 15:30pm with an elh of 30 minutes,not to be heard by telephone” [sic]” 45.   June 2016 a.       I think there was a hearing, possibly. I am looking for the paperwork. I attended the hearing directly from a different regional Hospital to the usual one, where I was being treated for a brain infection. We got our heads bashed together by a clearly infuriated Judge, Judge advised ABC RTM c/o TUV Managing Agents to get a solicitor, tells BFX to be clearer in what he says. Nothing further was heard. Until… 46.   7th April 2017 a.       BFX has an invoice for 1066.00 from TUV Managing Agent c/o ABC RTM Company Ltd 47.   August 2017 a.       BFX mortgage sold from ‘Mortgage Company-one’ to ‘Mortgage Company-two’ 48.   13th September 2017 a.       BFX received an invoice for £5,000 for his share for new windows to BFX’s block. It seemed complicit with s20 LTA 1985 etc. BFX pays £5k. b.       There was a lot of confusion during this process, I am pinning down the paperwork, but it was paid. The total invoice was not split as per the lease – Leaseholders were asked for funds on a per window basis, but the Lease says the total should be summed and divided by the number of units. c.       N.B. BFX’s flat is in a conservation area, and the price reflects expensive windows, as specified by local planners. There were other attempts to put in cheap, nasty windows, but BFX was able to stop this by making informal representations to the local Borough Council – who in turn contacted TUV Managing Agents, who in turn eventually put in a proper planning application for proper windows, which was approved. d.       There was a lot of confusion during this process, I am pinning down the paperwork, but it was paid. The total invoice was not as per the lease – Leaseholders were asked for funds on a per window basis, but the Lease says the total should be summed and divided by the number of units. 49.   12th October 2017 a.       BFX receives invoice for service charges (or statement of account): £4,800 approx. No payments are made by BFX 50.   25h September 2018 a.       BFX receives an invoice (or statement of account) for a total of £492. b.       It appears they have decided not to collect this amount 51.   March 2020 a.       Claim2020 from ABC RTM Company Limited c/o Company Director (not TUV Property Management) for £890 plus £70 Court fee. BFX has not been paying his fees because the management of the block is terrible.
    • Yes I know.  We would like the story posted up plainly on a post in a new thread with no attachment simply a step-by-step account of what happened and what led to the litigation. I think we can understand why this thread has gone on for 18 pages
    • I think he's hoping the attached pdf would be a satisfactory starting point for a new thread?
    • Please start a new thread so that you can post up a nice brief bullet pointed chronology of what happened which led to the litigation.
    • Hope it all goes well for her CB, let us know how she gets on.
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This site has proved invaluable to me in the past, regarding debt issues, bank charges etc.

 

It looks like I may well need some advice / support in the coming months as I am now at the mercy of the benefit system, god help me.

 

I recently had to give up my Job, and, as my home went with the Job I had to give that up too, and all because I was involved in a serious road traffic accident, My wife and I were hit head-on by an idiot trying to overtake a line of cars, and we had to be cut out of the wreck.

I had head and leg injuries and smashed up my right arm, it was operated on, had plates inserted, but is still not mending, my wife had whiplash cuts and bruises, but we were very lucky.

I was on ESA for a month or so then sent for a Medical Assessment, what a farce that was, and suprise,suprise, I failed and was deemed fit for work, scoring '0'. I have appealed against this decision, as there is no way I can work as I have had another operation on my arm a few days ago and its in plaster, and will be for a few weeks to come.

 

I am also diagnosed by my doctor with Anxiety/Depression as a result of the trauma of the car accident, and all this hassle is not helping that.

 

As well as the Appeal, I also made a formal complaint regarding the Medical Assessment, probably waisting my time doing that, but it makes me feel better, ha,ha.

 

I realise its early days as regards the appeal, but I want to be prepared, and its helps talking to people in a similar situation, and from what I've read so far, I am not alone.

 

Alan

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Mikebach's website is well worth a read and a good preparation for what to expect.

DWP ESA Medical Examinations


I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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Thanks for that, I'll check it out.

Alan

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Hi there. If only they were having a laugh......

 

I also had anxiety and depression and won when I went to tribunal, but it was hard work and it doesn't help one's mental condition.

 

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Hi all, I've been reading the threads/posts regarding Atos and the Medical Assessment 'Farce'.

Shortly after attending my assessment, accompanied by my wife, I was so wound up I wrote a letter, originally intended for my doctor, but after finding I had failed the Medical, I decided to include it in my Complaint which I handed in along with my Appeal.

It probably won't do any good, but it made me feel better.

 

In the letter I mention being kept waiting for over an hour, I have since found out, or I suspect, this was intentional, as part of a 'covert observation' part of the assessment.

 

Below are the links to my letter of complaint.

Alan

 

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That's an excellent letter, I hope it gets some kind of result for you. HB


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Thanks HB, I hope so too, not going to hold my breath though, it did make me feel I was doing something.

Thats what I find hardest, I feel frustrated and powerless to do anything about it.

Alan

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That's the toughest thing, feeling powerless and unimportant, I know. Fingers crossed for you. HB x


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Hi all, I've been reading the threads/posts regarding Atos and the Medical Assessment 'Farce'.

Shortly after attending my assessment, accompanied by my wife, I was so wound up I wrote a letter, originally intended for my doctor, but after finding I had failed the Medical, I decided to include it in my Complaint which I handed in along with my Appeal.

It probably won't do any good, but it made me feel better.

 

In the letter I mention being kept waiting for over an hour, I have since found out, or I suspect, this was intentional, as part of a 'covert observation' part of the assessment.

 

Below are the links to my letter of complaint.

Alan

 

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/furnitman2003_bucket/MedComP1.jpg

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz37/furnitman2003_bucket/MedComP2.jpg

Hi furnitman

Thats a brilliant letter you wrote and also very much the same experience I had at the farce ATOS medical. My accident was over 10 years ago and and I was diagnosed with severe PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) and suffer severe back pain ever since. I was lucky enough at the time to see a top specialist and had managed to control the PTSD till problems at work which led to me having to leave brought on a major recurrence. I still tried to continue to manage this myself and went onto JSA but unfortunately it became so bad that I became suicidal and had to be signed off and go onto ESA. But then came the farce ATOS medical and refusal and 9 months of hell waiting for tribunal and finally getting to see there lies. I won the tribunal based on my proper specialist medical evidence and did not even have to attend. Got another letter to go back to ATOS 2 weeks later, went and would not see me as it was same person who saw me he refused as the case had been against him, re booked for following weeks went and received interrogation. I lost in end and accused her of trying to kill me off, then to top it all got yet another letter to go back again , seems report was done manually and even though i had just been paid for attendance on both dates it had not been put on system. My friend had to deal with it and also asked for complaint form. I couldn't even talk. I am finding it very hard to get my PTSD under control with all this harassment. Had they not done all that I may well have been back at work by now instead it has been made worse. I am up and down like a yo yo I dread the thought of ever having to go back there and just pray that I can get both the PTSD and back sorted before I have to. Good luck with your tribunal and you might also want to look at applying for DLA as welfare rights also got me that which I had not realized I would be entitled too.

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rightsforme, that's a dreadful story. I know how it makes you feel and it's crazy that the people who are meant to help seem to be deliberately making you worse. Have you involved your MP and have you, furnitman?

 

The CAB report said that many people are concerned that there could be extra costs to particularly the NHS psychiatric services, if I remember right, by people having their recoveries impeded or set back severely by this sort of treatment. Is there are charity that represents people with PTSD? Some of the charities contributed to the CAB report and they weren't happy either.

 

Big hugs to both of you. HB x


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Thanks HB, no I've not involved my MP yet, will do though.

I've been tempted to kick up a fuss at the Jobcentre plus, and get the matter in the media, but prefer to explore all legal avenues, first.

Alan x

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Well, you're not alone in feeling that way. I think something is building through this forum.

 

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Well soon as the new government is formed and we know who the disability minister is we can start battering and kicking up a stink.

 

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CARTER V Co-Op

BANK CHARGES

REFUNDED £3567

 

POMPEYFAITH V Co-Op PPI

OFFER MADE BUT REFUSED

ONGOING AND STILL ONGOING

NOW WITH THE OMBUDSMAN

 

R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

 

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Bring it on, PF. Can I sit next to you on the coach please? :)

 

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Indeed you can lol

 

Now there was a posting on this site this morning from Reef TV they were looking for people with consumer issues that they could take on and sort out for a new BBC programme.

 

Ive been searching for it for the past 0.5 hour and cant find it.

 

PF


If I have been of help to you please feel free to click my scales to the left Thanks.:)

I have no legal training and the advice I offer is what I have learnt here and offered as a matter of support. Before you commit to any Legal action you are advised to contact a qualified legal practitioner.

 

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

 

CARTER V Co-Op

BANK CHARGES

REFUNDED £3567

 

POMPEYFAITH V Co-Op PPI

OFFER MADE BUT REFUSED

ONGOING AND STILL ONGOING

NOW WITH THE OMBUDSMAN

 

R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

 

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HB, It would make a great day out, lol.

 

Well done, PF, Keep looking, I'm up for it.

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Hi guys, I'm not necessarily joking. I can't claim it's my idea, there are lots of threads and a campaign thread here along similar lines. I hope I haven't hijacked your thread, furnitman.

 

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rightsforme, that's a dreadful story. I know how it makes you feel and it's crazy that the people who are meant to help seem to be deliberately making you worse. Have you involved your MP and have you, furnitman?

 

The CAB report said that many people are concerned that there could be extra costs to particularly the NHS psychiatric services, if I remember right, by people having their recoveries impeded or set back severely by this sort of treatment. Is there are charity that represents people with PTSD? Some of the charities contributed to the CAB report and they weren't happy either.

 

Big hugs to both of you. HB x

Hi honeybee

My friend is going to put in the complaint and welfare rights were great they won my tribunal for me and also put in for DLA which I was awarded with no problems for a year. Charities that represent people with PTSD are few and far between, and I only know of one called friends which is in somerset as I have a friends down there so I hope to eventually get moved there so support would be on hand when needed with rather than have to be reassessed then wait for a sessions of appointments. I hoping that I will be able to get back sorted and the PTSD under control before I have to go back to that farce ATOS. Still not had the report from them on the work focused medical nor appointment with adviser. I have however seen a work adviser via recommendation from my councilor and she was great. I have decided I would like to do training to go into advice and support work and just have to contact her once I am well enough. What we are being subject to is horrendous, barbaric, unjust and inhuman and most definitely discriminatory to those of us that have genuine illnesses and disabilities and i hope that in the future I will be able to help others suffering. Once things are all sorted with the government I do intend to write to them too.

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Well soon as the new government is formed and we know who the disability minister is we can start battering and kicking up a stink.

 

PF

 

Quite right PF. I'm sitting back waiting to see how the land lies.

We're all in the poo together and - I think it was HB who said it - there is a good undercurrent swelling about this forum.

We are all beginning to recognise that it's not just us. Not just me. Not just you. But tens of thousands of disabled and long term sick who are suddenly finding themselves cast adrift from a society that cares.

The blame firmly lies with the Government and the DWP.

I just wrote something on another thread which I think sums things up:

 

'There seems to be an endemic, systematic and institutionalised discrimination throughout the DWP against GPs and other healthcare professionals. It is almost as if the entire creaking organisation has succumbed to a God complex. It needs changing imho.'

 

I do think that we are slowly boiling up with our frustration at a system that doesn't listen. I hope that feeling permeates our community. Because that is the last stage of fermentation.

We have had organisations - charities etc - voice concerns for us collectively and they were largely ignored. The media has slowly started taking an interest.

The next step is that those directly affected - us - start to take individual and collective action. To protest and rebel.

It is a process that takes time. We do not have either the resources or the ability that other social sectors may have. But that is what makes this growing angry mood more fearsome.

The effort we have to make is greater than the fully fit. To mobilise the mobility impaired shows a depth of anger not yet witnessed in this country.

I would be very interested to see our general mood in, say, eight to ten weeks time...

 

Up the revolution! ;)

 

Best wishes

Rae

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Hi Rae and furnitman. I think I did mention something, but not as elegantly as a swelling undercurrent. You should have been an author.

 

Up the revolution, as you say.

 

Furnitman, I haven't forgotten this is your thread, although I hope you'll be on the coach. Welfare Rights are terrific from what I've read here, for those who have access to them. And I think your ambitions are admirable. Odd that a 'sponger' can consider putting something back and helping people. They'll never believe it :rolleyes:.

 

A lot of forces people are affected by PTSD, aren't they. I thought there was a charity that helped and campaigned for them and possibly other sufferers, but I can't recall the name at the moment. Have you looked at that at all?

 

My best, both. HB x


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Hi guys, I'm not necessarily joking. I can't claim it's my idea, there are lots of threads and a campaign thread here along similar lines. I hope I haven't hijacked your thread, furnitman.

 

HB x

 

It's Libro's idea.... Herer's the link.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/campaign/251610-calling-all-disabled-people.html

 

The best thing is post stuff here that we can use to fight back with.

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I've been out today, chasing my benefit, etc.

Just come on line, Fantastic!!!..

Things really are moving apace now.

HB, I'm not joking either, its time act, and no you've not hijacked my thread, glad to be of help.

 

Brown-Clegg-Cameron2010, Thanks for the link, I wish I'd found it earlier.

 

If anything I've posted is of use in the campaign, feel free to use it.

Alan.

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Up the revolution, as kelcou said. HB x


Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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CAB rang me yesterday with an appointment to see an adviser,

( I had contacted them as soon as I found I'd failed the DWP / Atos medical ).

A bit of a knee jerk reaction, as, I'm not quite sure what CAB. can do.

I'll attend and get their opinion, nothing ventured, nothing gained:)

 

I've set up a 'facebook' page, just got to work out how to use it, ha, ha.

Alan

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Do come and join us, furnitman, on facebook:

 

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The more the merrier ...

Best wishes

Rae

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