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Right, here goes!

 

Got a ticket from police last week: see attached image of ticket.

 

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This was outside a school next to my parents' house. It's a very quiet road apart from the school, only two house on it. Space outside my parents' for 3 cars but as they had company on the day I got the ticket, I parked the other side of their neighbour's drive, on yellow zig zag lines. Was totally shocked when my grandad pointed out a policewoman was looking at my car. Went out and she handed me attached ticket. In order to write the ticket the police car was parked beside mine on the other side of the road therefore blocking the WHOLE road so nobody could get by at all. At this time there were many other cars parked on the zig zags up and down the road as it was school pick up time.

 

I have searched online a bit for rules re the zig zags and reasons for them. General thing I found was that they are there so children can cross the road safely (i.e. not between cars/unseen). Where these zig zags are, there is not actually another side to the road - there is just a hedge right up against the curb. So there is nowhere for children to cross to - and therefore they don't cross!! There is actually a subway for children to cross under the road (and one parallel to it) to the estate on the other side. Only part of that road that children do cross on is about 200 yards further up where there IS a pavement on the other side.

 

There are no time limit/day restriction signs up.

 

Family have been asking various PCs and PCSOs about the rules and they are very unclear and vague with their answers. One PC said buses are exempt from this rule. The school bus that takes children to swimming lessons parks on there too - when we asked him if he should park/wait on the lines he said "oh no not really, i shouldn't be".

 

 

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Where can I look up the precise ruling these? From what I have seen, I am not sure the lines should be there in the first place, or even stand legally. Can't see any point with them at all! I've read the lines should be clear to see/read and unbroken, this is not the case either.

 

Any general advice on whether I would stand a chance appealing this? I am told on the back of the ticket I have two options; pay it or appeal and go to court for it. However, it does say on the ticket that "any other correspondence should be addressed to the Central Ticket Office at the address shown below within 28 days" - is this an invitation to appeal in writing without going to Court??

 

I may have missed something to please ask questions if something is not clear. Many thanks in advance.

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Also - note the officer couldn't spell obstruction - putting "ubstruction" ! Does this make it void??

 

I am a little narked at getting a ticket from someone who can't even spell the offence they are trying to fine you for!!!!

 

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Well first the good news; (I think) if there is no time plate and guidance of when the lines are in force, then they are most likely "advisory" rather than legally binding.

 

Now the bad news; from what you say the PC didn't book you for parking on the yellow zig-zag, but for causing an obstruction. Whether you were "obstructing" the road or anything else can be a matter of opinion, but to claim you weren't when a PC says you were I would bet my money on a court accepting a PC's word over yours.

 

My advise would be to pay the reduced fine because if you take it to magistrates it will cost you a lot more.

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First of all - thank you for speedy reply!

 

At the time the PC said it was because I was on the zig zags - I moved my car straight away - I did ask where she thought should move it to but she didn't comment on that. Up until that day I had no idea what the yellow zig zags were for.

 

Is it true that the PC should put a time "from" and "to" ? As it happens I parked up a couple of mins before she wrote the ticket and moved it couple of minutes after - bet this doesn't make any difference but like to give full story.

 

I don't believe I was causing an "ubstruction"... but take your point about arguing this in Court - my word against theirs...

 

I've gone from thinking I'll just pay it and not bother with the hassle but the more I think about it and the more I talk to people about it, it comes down to the principle! And I'm annoyed! :)

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I don't believe I was causing an "ubstruction"... but take your point about arguing this in Court - my word against theirs...

 

I've gone from thinking I'll just pay it and not bother with the hassle but the more I think about it and the more I talk to people about it, it comes down to the principle! And I'm annoyed! :)

 

Principles are good to have, but can also be expensive to have (as I think in this case)!

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Is there a plate stating the times the zig-zags are in force?

 

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The zig zags are a 'keep clear' sign parking on them is an unnecessary obstruction (Regulation 103 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986), unless you can prove it was necessary for you to park there you are in the wrong and guilty.

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Sailor Sam - No there are no signs up stating times or days of enforcement.

 

Green & Mean - am beginning to think this is the case - in my opinion I wasn't causing anywhere near as bad an obstruction as the police car was!

 

Think I may have to let this one go...:)

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Green & Mean - am beginning to think this is the case - in my opinion I wasn't causing anywhere near as bad an obstruction as the police car was!

 

The offence is unnecessary obstruction, the Police vehicle if parked to issue you with a FPN it would be considered a necessary obstruction.

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I would guess that you havn't been done for stopping on the zig-zags as such, but for causing an obstruction. Not sure if the zig-zags are compliant without signs indicating the times they are in force. The bus would also be commiting the same offence.

 

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Take It Form Me

 

I Got Done Many Years Ago For Stopping On Zig Zag Lines While Reading A Map On My Motor Bike

 

The Copper Stated That The Lines Are There For A Reason And Its No Stopping Under Any Reason

 

My Zig Zag Lines Were On A Pedestrian Crossing

 

This Is Going To Go Noware

 

Take The Fine And Points As A Lifes Lesson

 

Three Points And A Thirty Quid Fine

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I am a little worried about the 'I had no idea what they are for' quote.

 

Without meaning to sound rude, have you taken a UK driving test? have you seen or read the highway code?

 

I genuinely hope your knowledge of red lights, pedestrians, give way lines and stop lines is better.

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Take It Form Me

 

I Got Done Many Years Ago For Stopping On Zig Zag Lines While Reading A Map On My Motor Bike

 

The Copper Stated That The Lines Are There For A Reason And Its No Stopping Under Any Reason

 

My Zig Zag Lines Were On A Pedestrian Crossing

 

This Is Going To Go Noware

 

Take The Fine And Points As A Lifes Lesson

 

Three Points And A Thirty Quid Fine

 

The OP has a Non-Endorsable FPN for unnecessary obstruction, no points just £30.

 

Stopping on Pedestrian Crossing Zig Zags is different and is endorsable.

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may i ask why

 

an offence has still been committed by stopping on zig zag lines

be it a crossing or outside a school

 

not picking

can you give a link in the road trafic act to support this

 

even i have still a lot to learn

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The OPs Zig Zags were yellow and as Raykay says, different kettle of fish.

 

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Pedestrian Crossing Zig Zags come under The Zebra, Pelican,and Puffin Pedestrian Crossing Regulations 1997.

 

School Zig Zags come under The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 - as do other Yellow Line restrictions etc.

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Jimmy - I happen to think my knowledge of other rules of the road is pretty good - I didn't imagine I would have to mention on this post that I consider myself a very good citizen and road user - this being part of the reason I was shocked to get a fine for parking on the yellow zig zags!

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From the highway code:

 

167: You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.

 

215: You MUST NOT stop or park on the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 244)

a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 167)

a Clearway (see Traffic signs section)

a Bus Stop Clearway within its hours of operation

taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings

-an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (see Traffic signs section)

a road marked with double white lines, except to pick up or set down passengers

a bus, tram or cycle lane during its period of operation

a cycle track

red lines, in the case of specially designated 'red routes', unless otherwise indicated by signs.

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The Highway Code is not law.

 

This is true, neither is the Green Cross Code or the advice of the Tufty Club in crossing the road, but you wont go far wrong if you follow it.

 

:)

 

 

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Well - I've sent off my £30! Live and learn, eh?!

 

My only hope is that the police are cracking down on this throughout my whole town... nearly every night there are cars parked on a double yellow line, just around a blind bend... about 200 metres from the police station! Drives me mad! :p

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