What fees can a High Court Enforcement Officer charge if they are unable to levy on goods?

[ohitsonlyme]

FI and Dan

The police are looking at fraud very seriously, It took a few letters and thanks to Happy contrails and nintendo pu and some persisitance on my part, the the template letters worked!!

 

The press will hear about it soon enough

 

The actual enforcing officer is potentially in a lot of trouble especially as 2 visits were charged for and only one made!!!

Also there have been admissions of "mistakes being made" but no apologies or reimbursemment to me with a fight

 

I was hoping that our local hce and fair and balanced could comment

 

I am not letting this go!!!

 

onlyme

[Fair&Balanced]

@ohitsonlyme:

 

I would need to be given (by PM) a detailed breakdown of your case. When the visits were made, details of paperwork left, and the full fee breakdown that you were given (DO NOT INCLUDE YOUR PERSONAL DETAILS OR ANY REFERENCE NUMBERS). I'll take a look at the case.

 

@forkit : I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about your dealings with the HCEO's you have used. You seem disappointed and suspicious.

 

@danboy381 - Innocent until proven guilty. You don't have a full understanding of the case. Please don't brand everyone with the same iron in the HCE Industry. I would like to demonstrate over time that the majority are very fair.

[fork-it]

F&B, I am a buy-to-let landord trading the low-income and social housing market, most of my properties are flats, some our houses and multi-occupancy properties. Its common to have tenants abscond without paying their rent and I used to use the county court system for debt recovery with bailiff enforcement. court bailiffs only visit a judgment address and return the case goneaway or no goods. the High Court officers want upfront fees before visit the debtor, then I hear nothing for months until the HCEO returns asking for more fees, tracing costs etc. it accomplishes nothing. Now I just sell the debts at 50% and re-let the property.

 

I am also on the receiving end of bailiffs, many have seized my chattels out of a buy to let property. I just replace the goods, re-let the property and charge the work to the council. Everytime the case progresses litigation, the council defends resulting in judgement, the council then charges it on to the bailiff company. Its usually council tax and parking, and a lesser extent court fines.

[fork-it]

I would like to demonstrate over time that the majority are very fair.

 

Im sure you can, but the majority of cases dont end up here, only the most serious cases get exposed on internet forums and advice groups.

[Fair&Balanced]

F&B, I am a buy-to-let landord trading the low-income and social housing market

 

This would be why HCEO's and Bailiffs have little luck in your circumstance. The defendants lack of assets provides no leverage to secure payment. Tracing does cost money, yes, but is also a cost to us in pursuing the defendant. That is why you have more success in selling the debt - they will take their costs out of the debt for tracing and have no impact on you.

 

Your client status is the reason why Bailiff / HCEO action has failed. They have nothing to lose by non-payment. Have you considered credit-checking your clients or offering 12 month lets?

Edited April 1, 2010 by Fair&Balanced
Grammatical error

[fork-it]

they are all clean, until they start paying rent. All new lets are temporary tenancies.

 

the problem tenants arent the ones who get bailiffed because I can approach the guarantor. the vetting process is comprehensive and any questionable tenants who cant put forward a security are refused.

[High Court Enforcer]

the answer is f*ck all only me, you should have called the Police and they should have arrested the hceo for fraud and theft, and the court should have had him locked up. for a long time.

 

In addition, the Police should have turned his domestic residence upside down looking for, and seizing all goods in connection with the proceeds of crime act, because there would be a possibility that he has done this time and time again. This is what should happen to all hceos/bailiffs that can't help but steal.

 

Brilliant Dan.

[High Court Enforcer]

The police are looking at fraud very seriously.

 

The press will hear about it soon enough

 

The actual enforcing officer is potentially in a lot of trouble

 

Also there have been admissions of "mistakes being made" but no apologies or reimbursemment to me with a fight.

 

I was hoping that our local hce and fair and balanced could comment

 

I am not letting this go!!!

 

onlyme

 

Onlyme, you, danboy and letfightbailiffs have been spouting this tripe for ages.

 

Ooooh the Police..... Oooh the press..... And nothing.

 

Just face the fact that you got caught avoiding paying a debt you owed. What about the creditor you sticthed up, ever had a thought for them....

 

OK, so you won some money back on a technicality. Well done.

 

Now please, stop giving it the holyer than thou cobblers and wake up.

 

You and your apparent many many friends...... yawn.

[High Court Enforcer]

I am a buy-to-let landord trading the low-income and social housing market

 

Fork It, I sympathise with your experience. But I must advise that you're debtors are nearly impossible to collect from. If anybody can, it will be the HCEO, but I would be surpirised if they collected from 1 in 10.

 

HCEO's have been flooded with debts like this over the last few years. A common one is college fees for foriegn students. Try getting £8k from a student sharing a tenth floor flat in Camden with 5 others. A waste of everybodies time!

[Thegreenpimpernel]

HCE - I welcome your contributions to this forum, but as for your contempt for ohitsonlyme & co...

 

... they may have the last laugh.

 

This is asymmetric warfare. The big guy (you lot - supported by the system) can win and win, but ultimately the underdog, like the terrorist, only has to win once. Any success on their (our) part can act as a template, propagated across the internet - just like a modern day guerrilla campaign.

 

Watch this space....

[ohitsonlyme]

Onlyme, you, danboy and letfightbailiffs have been spouting this tripe for ages.

 

Ooooh the Police..... Oooh the press..... And nothing.

I haven spokne to the press yet and if your were to ask your friend you will know the investigation is still ongoing

 

Just face the fact that you got caught avoiding paying a debt you owed. What about the creditor you sticthed up, ever had a thought for them....

I didnt stitch them up I simply couldnt pay them at the time and they wouldnt wait any longer

 

OK, so you won some money back on a technicality. Well done.

 

Now please, stop giving it the holyer than thou cobblers and wake up.

 

You and your apparent many many friends...... yawn.

 

Hce I really have touched a nerve havent I ???

 

Soo sorry I should have taken my own advice and ignored you and the drivel that you come out with

I didnt win some money back on a technicality unless of course disallowed fees and visits is counted as a technicality and a master in the high court felt sorry for me oh and A DI in the economic crime unit is just humouring me.

I am sure crafty Bodger will have told you he is still recieving calls from the police

You know as well as I do that overcharging is rife in your industry, I had given many an opportunity for SF to put matters right but they havent so they will have to be forced to do so. It was them trying to stitich me up.

 

You never give any advice to support your unbiassed opinion all you can do is snipe at people and use your own version of holier than thou

 

All that you do is take the threads away from the original theme in this case What are the fees that can be charged when a levy didnt take place?

 

This is a serious question that you havent bothered answerring.

 

I will follow my own advice and ignore you again in future.

 

Onlyme

[Fair&Balanced]

HCE - I welcome your contributions to this forum, but as for your contempt for ohitsonlyme & co...

 

... they may have the last laugh.

 

This is asymmetric warfare. The big guy (you lot - supported by the system) can win and win, but ultimately the underdog, like the terrorist, only has to win once. Any success on their (our) part can act as a template, propagated across the internet - just like a modern day guerrilla campaign.

 

Watch this space....

 

Debtors / Defendants are not heroes. The money outstanding is at cost to someone else. You celebrate a victory while forgetting the broken lives of those you owe.

 

Just remember those to which money is owed that have lost their livelihoods, businesses, own houses , and have suffered severe family consequences because they were owed so much money. I see it every day.

 

I don't support unfair operating practices by bailiffs or HCEO's. However we have a role to play in the Justice system of this country, and indeed there would be anarchy without us. We reintroduce over £30 million into the economy each year in collected debt.

 

"They may have the last laugh" - ironic that you seek knowledge from those you so detest. I am here to help, but please don't insult. Without us you would have very little technical help.

[High Court Enforcer]

I will follow my own advice and ignore you again in future. Onlyme

 

Please do.

 

I see you've lost the 'many others'....

[High Court Enforcer]

Debtors / Defendants are not heroes. The money outstanding is at cost to someone else. You celebrate a victory while forgetting the broken lives of those you owe.

 

Just remember those to which money is owed that have lost their livelihoods, businesses, own houses , and have suffered severe family consequences because they were owed so much money. I see it every day.

 

I don't support unfair operating practices by bailiffs or HCEO's. However we have a role to play in the Justice system of this country, and indeed there would be anarchy without us. We reintroduce over £30 million into the economy each year in collected debt.

 

"They may have the last laugh" - ironic that you seek knowledge from those you so detest. I am here to help, but please don't insult. Without us you would have very little technical help.

 

Fair and Balanced in name and opinion.

 

Well done.

[Thegreenpimpernel]

Fair and balanced

 

I don't recall insulting anyone, and avoidance of debt is not my 'game'.

 

I strongly believe in the principal that people who operate under the title of Court Officer and approved by a judge, should behave in a manner beyond reproach.

 

In reality i have found that at least half of the bailiffs i have had contact with are no more than doorstep fraudsters - with a badge.

 

Worse still, local authorities, the police and courts couldn't care less.

 

If you believe in (and even uphold) the rule of law, how could you tolerate the current situation?

 

( fair do's - you're here helping)

 

For the record, i don't avoid paying anyone. I've had a few debts (mainly rates) in 12 years of a small manufacturing business peddling against the flow of imports. The other 80% of contact with bailiffs was for a joint tenant of my premises who did a 'runner' for about £150,000!!

 

That was an education i tell you!

 

People who haven't payed me because of bereavement, loss of job / business - i wouldn't dream of setting the dogs on them.

 

Just had to get that off my chest.

[Guest DebtWeary]

Debtors / Defendants are not heroes. The money outstanding is at cost to someone else. You celebrate a victory while forgetting the broken lives of those you owe.

 

Just remember those to which money is owed that have lost their livelihoods, businesses, own houses , and have suffered severe family consequences because they were owed so much money. I see it every day.

 

I think the majority of those who seek help here dealing with HCEOs are those whose debt is with larger organisations. As someone who has been self-employed, I know the difficulties of getting payment from debtors. Unfortunately, the worst payers are usually the big outfits - the same kind of companies and organisations that tend to employ HCEOs. I don't see them suffering any form of hardship.

 

I don't think anyone is trying to portray debtors as heroes. The reasons for getting into debt are many and varied. Unless you've been there, you cannot know the effect it has - on every aspect of your life. I find the judgemental and sanctimonious comments in this thread highly offensive and they do nothing to clarify the rights of those who are being fleeced by greedy, bullying HCEO outfits who abuse their position and exploit debtors through fear. There wouldn't be so many posts here about unscrupulous HCEOs if they acted properly, within the rules laid down for their behaviour. The fact is, some don't, they deliberately flout these rules, encouraged apparently by the judiciary in some cases.

 

Being in debt is not a crime, even though this government is trying very hard to criminalise it. The law on enforcement should target the "won't pays", not the "can't pays" who are represented on this forum.

[Thegreenpimpernel]

I'd like to emphasise that I, and I'm sure most others on here appreciate the comment and technical help from 'the darkside' and do not have a problem any of the (ever fewer) honest bailiffs.

[wonkeydonkey]

Please do.

 

I see you've lost the 'many others'....

 

I'm still here and in full support with Onlyme and count as one of the many others.

 

 

 

 

wd

[High Court Enforcer]

enforcement should target the "won't pays", not the "can't pays" who are represented on this forum.

 

Enforcement should target the "havent paid".

[danboy381]

high school should i pm everyone your home address or post it up here?

[Guest DebtWeary]

Enforcement should target the "havent paid".

 

That so typifies the HCEO attitude, tar everyone with the same brush and assume that they are deliberately withholding payment that is due. The truth is, many simply can't pay, and their problem is compounded by the addition of outrageous HCEO fees.

[danboy381]

or the hceo is so obsessed with gaining payment he will try to force anyone to pay by threatening to remove goods and then calling the police to make even more of a meal of it. wont he hce

[ncf355]

Hce I really have touched a nerve havent I ???

 

Soo sorry I should have taken my own advice and ignored you and the drivel that you come out with

I didnt win some money back on a technicality unless of course disallowed fees and visits is counted as a technicality and a master in the high court felt sorry for me oh and A DI in the economic crime unit is just humouring me.

I am sure crafty Bodger will have told you he is still recieving calls from the police

You know as well as I do that overcharging is rife in your industry, I had given many an opportunity for SF to put matters right but they havent so they will have to be forced to do so. It was them trying to stitich me up.

 

You never give any advice to support your unbiassed opinion all you can do is snipe at people and use your own version of holier than thou

 

All that you do is take the threads away from the original theme in this case What are the fees that can be charged when a levy didnt take place?

 

This is a serious question that you havent bothered answerring.

 

I will follow my own advice and ignore you again in future.

 

Onlyme

 

Spot on

 

The chages laid on OnlyMe, myself and many others are nothing more than legitamised robbery

 

F and B, I think you are actually being reasonable in your approach, but from what I've seen on here (and heard in the "real world") those HCEO's charging reasonable fees are in a minority

 

HCEO's are abusing Section 12 of HCEO Regs 2004 to charge absolutely unjustifiable amounts, fact

 

As for HCE, it baffles me that he is still given access to this forum - if fees are questioned he just falls back on Reg 12, time and again

[danboy381]

wont be long everyone i will publish this fools address and we can all pop round his for a cuppa and ask him face to face - i'm sure a few people knocking on his door will be fun - he pushes things too far on here...

 

ncf - he cant answer this posts question because he doesn't know. Come on, you're asking someone to look into the future on a job that hasn't happened, as we all know HCE makes it all up on the day - show me one that doesnt.

Edited April 2, 2010 by danboy381

[ncf355]

Hi DB,

 

the comment on HCE was more general on his overall posts, but yes, make it all up I would agree