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    • Thank you Dave, yes I have been reading a lot, but as you already mentioned mine is court one for some reason. Yes, the CPR request - printed and sent after completing the AOS online, as per dx's instructions.   And yeah the full timeline had me scrapping the vehicle and moving to new place in between the date of alleged contravention and receiving first "debt recovery" letters. To none of them did I respond as all of them said that I cannot dispute the charge as seen in the letter attached. 02/01/2020 - alleged contravention 29/11/2020 - scrapage of mentioned vehicle that I was still the registered keeper of and V5 had my address of the time on it since DVLA was reaching me and they had my details from them it should be correct 02/02/2022 - I move to my new place 18/01/2023 - first letter of debt recovery to my new address 21/11/2023 - letter of claim raised to county court Funny enough I never used that parking, so since I didn't see the pictures (the PCN or any reminder was never sent to my address in the first place, on the 18/01/2023 it was literally the first contact) I cannot even take a look whether it was my housemate as he sometimes borrowed my car, but then again I checked my emails and everything and on 01/01/2020 I was flying into the country back from holiday and was landing at Luton London Airport so me myself definitely had no business in Stansted area. I cannot even check for mercy period, whether that was actually my car or reg clone, nothing, as I never had that letter in my hands, sadly.
    • Good grief, this has to be one of the most stupid invoices issued for the most petty of reasons that we've seen here. What was the reason for your two visits? I ask as there may be the chance of getting the leisure complex to intervene.
    • Under UC there is no actual need to claim carers allowance, as long as you declare that you are caring for X for 35 hours per week and confirm they are in receipt of AA on the claim, they will verify you as a carer and you will then not be subject to the MIF, but will stil need to decalre your income and expenses each assessment period. This is because as a care, you are not expected to be available to work or have to look for work.
    • Yes, if you do a search on the forum you will see we have a lot of threads for this place.  It's basically a scam site. Yours is only the second case we've seen in years & years where they've done court though, undoubtedly because you'd moved and you didn't reply to a Letter of Claim. When you wrote "printed and sent" you did mean the CPR request, right?  
    • Please check back for a reply tomorrow. However we would like you to repost your story please in a more succinct manner and properly spaced and punctuated. It is very difficult to follow solid blocks of text especially on small screens such as telephones. It would be helpful if you could present your story in a structured bullet pointed chronology and less narrative please       
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Ok, i cancelled my Sky subscription, via the internet, on 1st Feb...six days before the subs were due to be taken, informing them i no longer wanted/needed their service. I also stopped the DD via my bank, and told Sky what i had done. I went on holiday the following day.

Upon my return today, i checked my emails and had 2 emails off them. One sent the same day as mine to them saying they had a higher than usual workload (i wonder why!!!!) and would be in touch asap to deal with my email. then a further one saying the below:


Dear Mr


Thank you for your email about the cancellation of Sky account.


However I regret to inform that I am unable to cancel this account as you are not the account holder. As per the Data Protection Act, only the named account holder can cancel their account.


Please ask the account holder to contact me direct at the email address provided.


Whilst I realise that you may be disappointed with the decision made, I hope that you can appreciate our position on this matter. If you require any further assistance, you can respond to my email. You can also contact our Customer Services team on 08442 41 41 41, where one of our advisors will be happy to help.



Kind regards




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Not just that, though...as i waded through my snail mail, there were two letters from Sky. The first, dated 6th Feb, telling me that they tried to take a payment, but were unable to, and that they will be sending me an invoice that will cost me £4.00 etc, etc

The other one, dated 22nd, however told me i OWED them £48:50 outstanding on my account!!!!!!!

Now, in the back of my mind, i recall them setting up the direct debit and taking the first months payment out the same day. Two weeks later, another months payment was taken, meaning i was at least a month in advance.

Am i correct in stating i AM in advance and that i owe them zilch. I mean is the above the standard practice when they get a new customer?

I must admit, i am in the mood for a fight with them, but want to make sure of my facts, before going in at the deep end, and to stop me having to wade through years of bank statements


All help appreciated



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Yes, you pay in advance. HOWEVER, you still have to give 30 days notice of cancellation, as your last bill will show no forward payment. (Providing you are outwith the minimum term).


In the situation you describe, because you did not give the required notice and cancelled the DD prematurely, you do get hit with the £4 invoice fee. (Sky don't like customer taking control of their finances).

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and just to confirm as well.., sky talek at least 14 days to set up a direct debit so they could not take a payment the same day either.


As it stands from your posts there is still no cancellation on the account.


I take it that you haven't paid it and the account is now blocked?

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