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Hi

Sorry for the rambled post but am in a right state, even though I have done nothing wrong!

On Thursday this week I have recieved a letter for a IUC for them suspecting I have someone living with me. The interview is with HB and DWP for IS.

The interview is not until the 24th either which to me seems a bit far off and am not sure I can live that long as just the thought of the interview is destroying me, I cant eat and have no interest in anything and just wish I was dead. I have suffered from depression in the past and panic attacks and at the moment I feel like I am having a constant panic attack (neither here nor there I know or relevent)

The background is that I had a partner living with me until almost 2 years ago to the day, ended up giving up work last year as found it really hard to cope with 3 children and working so went on income support. Whilst all this was happening my landlord and landlady split up and he took the house as his part of the settlement and became my LL. They havent spoken since and it was not a amicable break up. She works for the council who I get my HB from and last year it was brought to my attention that I was being or had been investigated (her hoping to get back at her ex) and it was defo from her as it was one of her friends who my now LL saw and she told him. Now the house which I rent has been placed up for sale which I know she would not be happy about as she had great sentimental ties with the house and only gave it to her ex as she could not afford to buy him out any other way.

My ex who moved out two years ago has spent some time here each week, sleeping on sofa so he could see his children as he lives at his mums which is already overcrowded so she cannot let him have the children over there. Sometimes we have taken the children out together as would rather they saw mummy n daddy getting on and have quality parental time and plus I drive and he does not.

Since the house has been placed up for sale he has been staying over a extra night or so because of my depression I always seem to take the worst from every situation and am being evicted from my home and am really starting to worry about that and not coping very well. The kids school have just entered me into a CAF to try to help me as I even struggle to go to mother and toddler groups with my 2 year old.

All of ex's bills and his wages etc are registered to his mothers and I sometimes get debt letters or junk mail for him which I either pass on to him or out in the bin. Last weekend we took the kids into town and his debit card wasnt working so he went to his bank and turns out his bank was still reg here and he didnt realise as used online banking and doesnt recieve paper statements. He has since changed the address (which he did there and then) and then on thursday I get this letter............

I am at my wits end as if they stop my money then I cannot afford to live or feed my children or get electric as prepayment meter on gas and electric and am begining to wish I was dead as the kids deserve better then this as even though I know I have done nothing wrong I feel I am being persicuted for someone else previous relationship.

I really hope someone can advise as cant take anymore, what with the eviction and now this, someone must really hate me.

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I'm so sorry to hear how you're feeling hun - I am going through something similair and didnt eat or sleep for over a week after the letter came, its horrible when you have children and you're trying to do your best for them but then end up getting into situations like this.....

 

I dont know anything about HB / IS but hopefully someone will be along soon who can give you practical advice. On another note, please dont wish yourself dead, you sound like a great mum who would do anything for your children. It makes me so angry that the powers that be dont seem to have any inkling how something like this makes some people feel, if they did they would surely schedule in an early interview or possibly even contact the claimant to go through what will happen, instead you are treated as guilty until proven innocent in that they wont reveal any details of what they want to talk to you about leaving the interviewee worrying tremendously in the interim period.

 

You are not alone, nothing is worth being upset about, what will be will be and it doesnt sound as though you have done anything deliberately wrong. It sounds like you do need some support though so I would urge you to take someone in with you and at the end of the day just be honest (thats what I'm going to do).

 

Whatever happens its not a hanging offence, worse things happen, try to get it into perspective and lastly GOOD LUCK xx

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Hi

This letter has come as a shock and I can see you are worried and upset and thats understandable but its only an interview with benefit officers and it will be ok

 

Hi

Sorry for the rambled post but am in a right state, even though I have done nothing wrong!

On Thursday this week I have recieved a letter for a IUC for them suspecting I have someone living with me. The interview is with HB and DWP for IS.

The interview is not until the 24th either which to me seems a bit far off and am not sure I can live that long as just the thought of the interview is destroying me, I cant eat and have no interest in anything and just wish I was dead. I have suffered from depression in the past and panic attacks and at the moment I feel like I am having a constant panic attack (neither here nor there I know or relevent)

 

This interview is just over a week away, are you ready to go to it?, ring Welfare Rights and see if you can get in to discuss things, if you are not ready you can phone up to postpone it, you may want to seek legal advice and remember you can take somone in

 

 

The background is that I had a partner living with me until almost 2 years ago to the day, ended up giving up work last year as found it really hard to cope with 3 children and working so went on income support. Whilst all this was happening my landlord and landlady split up and he took the house as his part of the settlement and became my LL. They havent spoken since and it was not a amicable break up. She works for the council who I get my HB from and last year it was brought to my attention that I was being or had been investigated (her hoping to get back at her ex) and it was defo from her as it was one of her friends who my now LL saw and she tol him.

 

Last year you knew you were being investigated but you didnt change anything, so this points to you having nothing to hide so you can tell the interviewer this

 

Now the house which I rent has been placed up for sale which I know she would not be happy about as she had great sentimental ties with the house and only gave it to her ex as she could not afford to buy him out any other way.

 

Your landlords ex should not be looking at your housing benefit claim without good cause and if she has and you can prove it then she should get into trouble with her employer the local council

 

My ex who moved out two years ago has spent some time here each week, sleeping on sofa so he could see his children as he lives at his mums which is already overcrowded so she cannot let him have the children over there. Sometimes we have taken the children out together as would rather they saw mummy n daddy getting on and have quality parental time and plus I drive and he does not.

 

This is perfectly acceptable, he has every right to see his children

 

Since the house has been placed up for sale he has been staying over a extra night or so because of my depression I always seem to take the worst from every situation and am being evicted from my home and am really starting to worry about that and not coping very well. The kids school have just entered me into a CAF to try to help me as I even struggle to go to mother and toddler groups with my 2 year old.

 

Nothing to worry about here either

 

All of ex's bills and his wages etc are registered to his mothers and I sometimes get debt letters or junk mail for him which I either pass on to him or out in the bin.

 

This is good as it proves he lives at his mothers

 

Last weekend we took the kids into town and his debit card wasnt working so he went to his bank and turns out his bank was still reg here and he didnt realise as used online banking and doesnt recieve paper statements. He has since changed the address (which he did there and then) and then on thursday I get this letter............

 

Its easy to overlook changing a home address of a bank account as most people do their banking on line

 

I am at my wits end as if they stop my money then I cannot afford to live or feed my children or get electric as prepayment meter on gas and electric and am begining to wish I was dead as the kids deserve better then this as even though I know I have done nothing wrong I feel I am being persicuted for someone else previous relationship.

I really hope someone can advise as cant take anymore, what with the eviction and now this, someone must really hate me.

 

 

Ok they can not just stop your money, after the interview they will they look to see if they think they have a case, it will be referred to a specialist decision maker to make that decision.

but this could take months.

 

Please seek some help and advice, with what you have said there doesnt look much evidence and they will have to prove it, but you know the truth so please dont worry.

and good luck

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Thanks for your replies, this last week or so has been really hard esp with the kids being home too. I have very nearly fallen to pieces several times.

Wednesday is now approaching and I am gathering my evidence that he doesnt live here.

I have his wage slips with his mums address on.

I also have a letter from his mum stating that he does live there, has his own room and she does feed him and does his washing etc and the reasons as to why he cannot have the children over there.

I also have the information sheet which shows photos of my house I rent which were taken after xmas (way before the letter arrived requesting the IUC)

I also have copies of the form I had to submit to the council about my impending homelessness and this form only has mine and the childrens names on it as surely if he lived here he would of been on the form too.

His workmate who picks him up in the mornings and drops him home in the evenings is also willing to write a statement to say that he is mostly dropped around his mothers house (where he lives), Is it worth getting this too.

Is there anything else you can think of that I could take to help me?

When at the IUC is it worth saying I knew I was under investigation ages ago and also about my ex landlady working at the council etc?

Thanks for all your help.

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Hi,

Sorry to hear of all your troubles, I have been in similar situ too, so know full well whats your going through now. But, PLEASE, dont go alone to your IUC, you need to take a solicitor, these interviews are used to try and trap you and they twist your words and ask question after question and you get very confused, this is what they bank on, remember everything you say is taped and can be used against you later on, a solicitor will be able to get disclosure before you go in, so best thing is to get one a.sa.p. Goodluck

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Anything you can take into the interview that can prove he lives at his mothers address will help you.

Any statements you can get will help

 

Where is he registered for the doctors, dentists, if its at his mothers mention this.

Is his mother claiming housing benefit, is he on that claim, does she claim the single persons allowance.

Does he have car, where is this registered too ? if its his mothers include this, same as car insurance.

Does he have any loans again from what address?

 

I would mention the landlords ex wife, she may be innocent but as you have said you knew you where being investigated and if you where hiding anything then you would not have carried on letting him stay

 

and seek legal help as janieski has advised

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Well today is the day! I am a nervous wreck, cant stop shaking and feeling sick constantly and my depression has returned so that really isnt helping. I havent taken legal advice due to the fact I have done nothing wrong and have a big pile of paperwork to take with me. It doesnt help that I have been told that the interviewer is not a nice lady.

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Best wishes for today. If the interview is going a little quick for you you can slow it down by insisting on making notes as you go along. This will give you time to digest a question for an apropriate response without being pressured into an answer before ready.

 

Good luck xxxx

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Two quick points - the DWP have no powers of arrest so you can leave the interview at anytime. You can also turn up and say that you have not had time to get legal advice and want the interview put off to a later date. Of course then you have it all to go through again. You don't have to answer questions and can, if you wish, do a "no comment" interview, in other words answer every question with "no comment". It is up to the DWP to prove their case and not for you to prove it for them!

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Just dropping by to wish you all the very best both in the interview and with your personal circumstances.

Whilst a lot of us may not post, we still care deeply. Hope things went well.

Best wishes

Rae x

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Thanks for the words of support. I have had my interview now. Turns out they have sat outside my house on several occasions since september and have clocked his leaving the house on the nights he stayed over so he could see the kids. There was no photos just dates and times written down on a sheet of paper. They tried to imply that he lived here and I said he didnt and he slept on the sofa and that as the house I rent is up for sale I was surprised they hadnt made a visit being a bogus buyer, they said they hadnt so I said if you had you would of seen he doesnt live with me. They tried to imply he lived with me but I said he didnt as was just helping me with the kids. I also asked that in their surveylence they would of also seen the mornings when he didnt leave the house as he wasnt there and they said they couldnt always get up at silly o'clock in the morning. They also asked about his post and I said that all I get is junk mail or debt letters for his which I pass on to him or put in the recycling bin which I am sure you have prob checked my bins. I also told them about my depression etc and they asked if I was being treated for it and I also told them about my CAF I have entered. It was left that they want to speak to his work partner to verify where he lives and also they may ask my neighbours. The neighbours part may be interesting as I dont go round broadcasting what happens in my personal life.

They did mention his bank which I told them about the address being changed before I even recieved their letter.

I gave them the letter from his mother and they said of course she would say that.

It was left that I MAY have to attend another interview and they were going to carry on their investigation and I need to sort out maitenance payments from him for the children.

Please excuse the spellings as am still a bag of nerves as they did try to twist things and catch me out.

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Poor you, that sounds horrible. I'm no expert on this, but it sounds as if you have a lot of evidence on your side. Others who know more than me will comment I hope, but it sounds to me that it could be going your way. I would even take heart that they say you may need to attend another interview, because they probably won't want to back down to easily and may be leaving themselves a way out.

 

Well done for going, I'm sure some others will be along soon. x

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Sounds from your replies that you held it together very very well. 'silly oclock in the morning' what a quote, they would ofcourse have to do that to prove their case. Could be seen as not fair on you if they didnt get a balanced variation of times of left in the morning, or maybe they were there but as you said would not of had any proof as he wasnt there.:)Sounds like they dont have much at all xx

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Once again thanks for your replies. I am off to the doc tomorrow otherwise think I will end up having a nervous break down and isnt good for my kids to see me in this state. I was paranoid before this and now I am so paranoid that my paranoya about taking the kids out and meeting people has tripled.

All is change here now, kids dad is no longer going to stay on the sofa as I have been told I am not allowed anyone to stay and it doesnt matter who they are so he will come and see the kids and then go home. Had a very upset son this evening as he is seeing me upset and now another change with his Daddy (he used to love seeing his Daddy in the mornings when he was here).

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Worried mum, you are entitled to have overnight visitors no matter who they are.

It does sound like they were on a fishing expedition with very little to base their assumptions on.

I would suggest you carry on as normal a life as you can.

Best wishes.

Rae.

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Once again thankyou.

From now on I am going to keep a diary of when he visits his kids at my house.

It has made me feel really paranoid now and keep looking over my shoulder the whole time...........

It annoys me too as I know people who are doing it and they are doing so blatently and they get away with it and then theres people like me who are doing no wrong and we get blamed and treated as if we have.

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Little uns Dad has just called me to say the council have called his boss today asking to interview him on Tuesday about me!! and they are still watching the house as got up this morning to see a strange car parked on the road with all the lights off and one person sat inside.

Little un dad hasnt stayed since the interview except on Saturday night to look after his kids so I could go out.

Just as I was starting to feel a bit better about everything too. It feels like someone is out to get me. :(

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Little uns Dad has just called me to say the council have called his boss today asking to interview him on Tuesday about me!! and they are still watching the house as got up this morning to see a strange car parked on the road with all the lights off and one person sat inside.

Little un dad hasnt stayed since the interview except on Saturday night to look after his kids so I could go out.

Just as I was starting to feel a bit better about everything too. It feels like someone is out to get me. :(

 

 

 

They usually work in twos :???:

 

well when I went to a fraud open day they said they do

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Am interested in this, one in what situation :)

You seem to have inside information:rolleyes:

 

As a very resent ex fraud investigator I'm afraid I don’t think it’s fair to discuss too much about methods of surveillance on a public site, advice yes, but nothing that could endanger investigations & more importantly investigators.

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ooh, MI7:D Reminds me of the old spy films for some reason:)

 

It would be nice to know and not damage your position if you could just state wether they have to at least get a balanced picture when watching. You see there have been a few people state things like they reported man arriving at certain time of day and couldnt say what time left and the reason being they wernt there. So if could be fairly assumed unless saw gent leave in early hours, that he could to be fair, not have been there all night. Wouldnt you say that is at least fair. If they definately have proof of wrong doing, fair enough. But when questioned and I have not been in that situation, claimants feel under pressure when have nothing to hide and feel as if being veared to give the answers wanted rather than actually the truth, as in done nothing wrong.

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