Civil recovery/Tesco/ asked to pay recovery charges.

[triton]

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[MARTIN3030]

Welcome to the site.

Your story is certainly not without merits-of course make up falls through supermarket trolleys like may things which are flat packed and shrink wrapped.

As far as I am aware,we havent had reports about this company you speak of,but will be looking closely at them.

When we first started this forum (I am moving to there )

We were inunidated by victims of RLP.

Over the last year or more,we have seen an increasing amount of activity with more of the same come into the frame.

Remarkably this bears striking resemblance to the ways in which RLP are operating,although the fees demanded are lower.

No doubt you will get response here.

Our advice as always is that if you believe that you were not responsible nor a party to fraud,theft,or deception from Tesco,then you should not part with any money.

No doubt you have already read many other posts advising of the same.

Will move this over now.

[MARTIN3030]

An initial search of the Consumer Credit Licence database shows no licence for any business with the postcode of E4 0BN.

This is not to say they dont have one,updating of records can take weeks or even months.

The Office of Fair Trading will be able to clarify if they are licenced.

It is an offence for a business to be engaged in any such activities unless they are licenced.

I will be following this up with the OFT.

[cjaynap]

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[MARTIN3030]

The OFT public register for CCLs show a terminated licence that gives the same address and postcode as that now being used by Civil Recovery Ltd.

There is no suggestion nor allegation put forward that this is the same company,but it is merely to show that a licence was formerly in place and registered to this address.

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0169173

Licence Status:Terminated (Invalid Application) on unknown date

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Real Securities Ltd1620639

 

Categories:

 

Credit brokerage

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Mr Anthony BowditchOFFICER Mr John SeabrookOFFICER

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Principal Place Of Business485, Hale End Rd, London, E4 9PT

[triton]

Thanks for all your help, there is another address at the bottom of the letter - Civil Recovery Ltd, Leytonstone House, Leytonstone, London. E11 1GA From all your searching, is this a proper licensed company? Many Thanks

[cjaynap]

Triton the best advice I can give you is to read the previous threads especially those related to RLP and it will become clear what your options are. The posts that I have removed related to information that will be helpful to the group as a whole but on reflection I need to check with others before posting this information.

 

The address of Civil Recovery Ltd is the same address used by Total Security Solutions. This company perform car clamping services.

 

PM the site MOD Martin3030 and he will be able to help you further.

 

Good luck.

[MARTIN3030]

Having done a search of both ICO and CCL database there does not appear to be any entries against the postcode E11 1GA.

As said previously,it does not mean that no licences exist,it could be that the database for these entries have yet to be updated to include them.

Will be seeking clarification though on Monday.

[MARTIN3030]

Triton-pm acknowledged.Please bear with us pending further checks being made.

[triton]

Ok will do, thanks. I honestly don't know what to do, if I don't respond to civil recovery in the 21 day period obviously the amount goes up, and does the amount keep going up if I choose to ignore them? Like I previously said the police weren't taking it any further, so eventually if I went to court (if civil recovery takes me to court) surely the police dismissed it, would the court??

[MARTIN3030]

I am not to sure if Joncris has any info about these,or whether it will be included in the frame.

No doubt he will post a response here.

Triton I can only advise that you read up on other threads here,which give CAGs position on this.

Of course they may well increase their demands for payment from you.

The introductory invitation is designed to get you to pay immediately.

Irrespective of whether the amount is £1 or £1000 the fact remains that you have not been convicted of any crime by a Court of Law,They have not justified the fees they claim are due to be proportionate,they have not proved that you are liable,and they have acted not in the interests of crime prevention,but in consideration of profit for themselves.

Should you get further demands-post up the details here.

[ScarletPimpernel]

The Leytonstone House address is used by many companies as their registered office - it's probably an accountant acting as company secretary.

 

The company was registered at Companies House in March 2009 - no. 6864468. The company number should be shown, by law, on all stationery.

 

The E4 address resolves to a residential street of small, modern terrace houses, so this is probably run from home.

 

I couldn't search the OFT register (I'm on the world's slowest satellite link in the middle of a desert, and it just times out), but it may be worth searching again.

 

None of the companies involved in civil recovery seem to have much appetite for actually going to court, with the exception of Drydens, who have won a few cases by default, most of them involving theft by shop staff. I suspect that this company has jumped on the bandwagon, and that the East London simians behind it will be too busy with their clamping business to do anything more than send out threat letters.

 

Still, they are worth further investigation. What was the postmark on the envelope? Was it franked or did it have a stamp? It would be interesting to see a scan of the letter (suitably scrubbed).

 

I have no doubt that JonCris will keep our mutual civil-recovery watching friends informed.

[MARTIN3030]

Ah ha I found this;

 

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0098648

Licence Status:Lapsed on 29/05/1995

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Rookwoods Ltd

 

Categories:

 

Credit brokerage Debt adjusting/counselling

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

 

 

Trading Name(s) (Current):

 

Motor City

 

Issued Date: 30-May-1980

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Mr Jeffrey John EdmondsOFFICER Ms Lorraine WilliamsOFFICER

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Principal Place Of Business596/8, High Rd, Leytonstone, E11 3 Registered Office485, Hale End Rd, E4 9PT

[triton]

Thanks for your reply & taking time out to look at my problem. I've not got the envelope but I'm sure it was a stamp. I haven't got a scanner so I'm sorry I can't show you the letter, it seems to me that companies or just anyone are jumping on the bandwagon & thinking lets start our own civil recovery company, before we know it the UK will have thousands of them!!

[triton]

Martin3030 can you advise me what you have found please? Sorry don't understand all the licence bit, thanks.

[MARTIN3030]

Another here showing that address and postcode.Note- Security house.

 

 

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0530809

Licence Status:Lapsed on 06/02/2008

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Multicare Systems Limited3843759

 

Categories:

 

Consumer credit Credit brokerage

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

 

 

Issued Date: 06-Feb-2003

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Michael Thomas HopkinsonOFFICER Ms Jane Lesley HopkinsonOFFICER

 

Historic Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Jane Lesley HopkinsOFFICER Michael Thomas HopkinsOFFICER

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Principal Place Of Business25, High Street, Grays, Essex, RM17 6NB Registered OfficeSecurity House 485, Hale End Road, Highams Park, London, E4 9PT

 

Historic Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Principal Place Of Business25, High Street, Grays, Essex, RM17 6NB Registered OfficeSecurity House 485, Hale End Road, Highams Park, ., London, E4 9PT Registered OfficeSecurity House 485, Hale End Road, Highams Park, ., London, E4 9PTNB

[MARTIN3030]

Heres another that shows connections to both Hale End road and Leystones.

note the 4 & 5

Presumably this should be reading 485 ?

 

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0413264

Licence Status:Lapsed on 23/07/2001

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Dry Cleaning Machinery Supplies Limited3019875

 

Categories:

 

Consumer credit Consumer hire Credit brokerage

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

 

 

Issued Date: 24-Jul-1996

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Ms Jane Lesley HopkinsonOFFICER Ms Judith Ann HopkinsonOFFICER

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress CorrespondenceUnit 7, The Sidings, Leytonstone, London, E11 1HD Principal Place Of BusinessUnit 7, The Sidings, Leytonstone, London, E11 1HD Registered OfficeSecurity House, 4 & 5, Hale End Road, Highams Park, London, E4 9PT

[MARTIN3030]

Here are all others that come up by inputting the postcode.

 

 

 

Search Results

 

 

Licence / Application / Validation Order NoLicensee / Applicant NameLicence StatusPPB Postcode 0019092A Harmsworth Properties LtdLapsed on 30/09/1992IG10 1LJ 0053472R. D. Electronics LtdLapsed on 20/03/1993E4 9PT 0098648Rookwoods LtdLapsed on 29/05/1995E11 3 0108894Prelando LtdHistoricE4 9PT 0169173Real Securities LtdTerminated (Invalid Application) on unknown dateE4 9PT 0280084Michael Robert SleathLapsed on 23/02/2005E4 9PT 0375437Colin GeymanHistoricE4 9PT 0413264Dry Cleaning Machinery Supplies LimitedLapsed on 23/07/2001E11 1HD 0421736Heales CyclesLapsed on 29/01/2007E4 9PT 0524741WK Security Consultants LimitedLapsed on 05/09/2007RM4 1UH 1 2

[triton]

Are these all above board, proper companies, so would you advise payment being the best idea?

[ScarletPimpernel]

Triton - please read both the CAB report on civil recovery (stickied in this forum), and some of the other threads. You will see that a company being 'above board' does not mean that their claims are legitimate or that they will do anything other than send letters. There is no reason whatever to pay them.

 

Martin: Try searching the company number, and the postcode E4 0BN - the Leytonstone address isn't helpful. I suspect, however, that there is no licence, either because the company hasn't bothered to get one, or it has followed RLP's idea that it doesn't need one (though RLP, of course, applied for one shortly after Nottingham Trading Standards contacted them after I complained...).

 

Unfortunately, due to my present location, I can't do more.

[triton]

Thank you very much for your help, I shall read everthing I can, as I have been since this unfortunate event. I have a feeling it's actually the security team, their employers who has sent my letter. Anyway I appreciate all your time & effort. P.S Where abouts are you ScarletPimpernel?

[ScarletPimpernel]

I am overseas at the moment. I cannot say exactly where, but you can probably guess.

 

Hint: there aren't enough helicopters here, despite what Cyclops says.

 

CAG has operators everywhere! I'm just practicing for some spec-ops against DCAs when I get back...

 

 

 

I have a feeling it's actually the security team, their employers who has sent my letter

 

This is an aspect that is certainly worth exploring further.