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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Ahh the infamous Dianne Powell witness statement. I had one of those too (well two in the end). You'll probably find even though she is not a lawyer a lot of her WS quote the law and makes her sund like a legal expert, (maybe someone else writes it she just puts her name to it), but also a lot of what she says is hearsay. I had two WS from her the first one for the summary judgement hearing she swore that my DN had been sent first class Royal Mail. At the SJ hearing I suggested that might need to be proved as I had kept a record and it was UKMail. That was the crux of my argument for SJ not being possible as at trial they would need to prove the DN was not defective. For the hearing Dianne swore that the DN was sent UKMail, I suggested to the solicitors that I would argue the witness was unreliable on the grounds she had sworn two completely different things. The solicitors and I "settled out of court" in the end.

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The Directions for the SJ normally say something like both sides to file witness statements and evidence no less than 7 days before hearing. Even if it did not you could argue that as a litigant in person the statement was served too late for you to research. You could argue hearsay if she is saying the DN notice was delivered on a particular date, I argued hearsay as she could not prove that o be the case. Also if she is saying that the DN was sent first class but has not evidenced that you might be able to argue this as hearsay too. Remember SJ hearing means the claimant is arguing you have no realistic chance of defending the claim

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her statement was on about the agreement being as it should be or what it should have had...she doesn't even mention the DN...they are relying on amex v Brandon..that I believe is being appealed...so maybe an adjournment till after the appeal

I hope someone could confirm this for me..

I have clicked the triangle and hope the site team may be able to help before Friday...lol

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Regarding the Amex case they should not be relying upon a judgement being appealed.

 

Always argue hearsay where the person makes a statement they could not possibly have been witnessed to.

 

"" The claimant avers that CPR PD 17 paragraph 7.3 only requires the original agreement to be produced where it is reasonable to do so. It is not reasonable to require the Claimant to keep original agreements from 2001 due to the sheer volume of paperwork that would be required."

 

You need this:

 

Money Laundering Regulations 2007 No. 2157 15th December 2007

 

Record-keeping

 

19.—(1) Subject to paragraph (4), a relevant person must keep the records specified in paragraph (2) for at least the period specified in paragraph (3).

(2) The records are—

(a)a copy of, or the references to, the evidence of the customer’s identity obtained pursuant to regulation 7, 8, 10, 14 or 16(4);

(b)the supporting records (consisting of the original documents or copies) in respect of a business relationship or occasional transaction which is the subject of customer due diligence measures or ongoing monitoring.

(3) The period is five years beginning on

(a)in the case of the records specified in paragraph (2)(a), the date on which—

(i)the occasional transaction is completed; or

(ii)the business relationship ends;

 

 

Sounds like you are on the ball with the other things.

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thanks for that vjohn.

Is there a copy of the CCA on the site..it might be worth printing out and highlighting some things in it for court.

is there any case law I should read that may help me?

one more...

the terms and conditions are NOT the ones that applied to the card at the time of signing..do they have to give me a copy of them?

I'm searching the site/threads for information and confirmation on the points I raised.

is there conformation about the amex case being appealed?

 

not too on the ball, they are just my thoughts for arguing...still need to find the law/proof of what I want to say

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is it too late to ask for costs or if I send a letter in the morning to court and optima?

can I ask at the hearing?

 

any other help with comments in red (post 125) would be gratefully received.

just conformation..what law should I use to quote from?

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You have a good case and put it forward well. I wouldn't push the S78 point in view of the Carey v HSBC decision and I'm also not sure about the faulty DN. Bank holidays are excluded for service but I think they will count as part of the '14 clear days' required. Again don't push this point.

I think the main points to push are

(1) this is an SJ application but there are clear points of dispute which need to be dealt with at a full trial. Argue that this is NOT a suitable case for an SJ. Take a print out of CPR24 from the Ministry of Justice website http://www.justice.gov.uk/civil/procrules_fin/index.htm to let the DJ know you are aware of the rules re SJ's.

(2) Argue that that dear Diane's statement is hearsay. Have a look at the sticky on the 1995 Civil Evidence Act (take a copy of the relevant section of the 1995 Civil Evidence Act with you). Finally, argue

(3) that the statements are too late and are thus inadmissible and add that you have not had time to seek advice about their contents.

At this point, I think the main aim should be to get the SJ application refused and not necessarily to get the case struck out. As to costs, I would draw up a short statement of costs in relation to the SJ only and not the full case and fax this to Optima tomorrow. The rate for a LiP is only £9.25 per hour but you will take much longer to do the work than a solicitor. I would put down about 2 hours for reading the application, 6 hours for SJ research and another 4 hours preparing the witness statement, plus another 4 hours and travel costs for attendance at the hearing. Add in a flat amount of say £12.50 for each letter you have had to send. The total could be £140-150. If you win and the DJ asks about costs don't be greedy but state you have notified Optima of costs of £140ish but that £100 would be acceptable. The solicitor won't be able to argue much as he is likely to be asking for anything up to £500 for the same work.

Other than that, I would end with best of luck for Friday. Remember we are all behind you and will support you whatever happens.

Arrow Global/MBNA - Discontinued and paid costs

HFO/Morgan Stanley (Barclays) - Discontinued and paid costs

HSBC - Discontinued and paid costs

Nationwide - Ran for cover of stay pending OFT case 3 yrs ago

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Series3 - following your thread with interest as I suspect I will be in a similar position to you shortly. Their supplimental witness statement seems bizarre, particularly the part where you have informed them that they have titled your agreement incorrectly, and they are denying this then agreeing in the same paragraph!

 

Best of luck!

 

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thanks for your support..

I hope to use this experience to help other people in the same boat.

Big learning curve but also very interesting....lol...I think I'm getting hooked.

series..

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just for the record..there costs are around £1600, I'll try find the letter and post it up..

that much stuff going round in my head at the moment..

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Have a look at the sticky on the 1995 Civil Evidence Act (take a copy of the relevant section of the 1995 Civil Evidence Act with you).

 

I can't find this. could someone point it out for me?

cheers..(head's in another world right now)

 

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bump..can anyone link that sticky for me?...

at court tomorrow and feeling a bit down but confident..

If anyone can help by pointing out anything to me or anyone with

experience of court...just a bit of a gee up..

 

thanks

 

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You'll be fine... you can't be jailed and you can't be killed.

 

How much worse could it get than that? Read your case through... make sure you understand it... really ram home the points you want even if the Judge does not look impressed... keep ramming them home! The Judge will know whether they are making a monumental cock up which would lead to an appeal.

 

When you are finished... go for a drink and report back here!

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Hey there Series3, have been thinking of you and wanted to drop a quick line to wish you all the best for tomorrow. The forum appears to have been down for a few hours so this is the earliest I could get here! I like vjohn's advice!! Best of luck, CM

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just when I needed it the site goes down....lol

well I'll be here for an hour or two..I work better when I'm tired.

what is the difference between a credit agreement and a credit card agreement....(not a joke)

the prescribed terms I mean..

 

thanks for all your help..

I'll stick to what vjohn82 said about showing them I have a defense.

will try to get the hearsay across..

will I only need the relevant parts to the act?

 

 

amex v brandon.....where does it say it's been appealled?

I am hoping to use that in court.

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Take a look at Post 230, details about a Credit Agreement and a Credit Card Agreement....

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Site was down when I was on line last night but hopefully you have got all you need for today.

 

The judge should rule that the case is not appropriate for summary judgement and tell them they can't claim for costs either and then order they pay your costs.

 

Just remember firm, calm, polite and don't interrupt judge or barrister when they are speaking and don't allow the barrister to interrupt you.

 

Before the hearing if the barrister approaches you in the waiting room don't respond to anything he or she says with anything other than thanking them for any information but politely informing them that immediately before the hearing is a bit late for anything they want to [noparse]contribute[/noparse]. It is likely the barrister will be from a local firm and will not know your case intimately, very likely only read up on it this morning or last night and will have photocopied case law to use in the SJ hearing so the less you tell them in the waiting room the better.

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Had problems with my own internet connection, so couldn't get on, plus have to go now.

 

In essence, I agree with the last post - the fact you both think you can apply for/successfully defend a SJ application should mean that SJ isn't appropriate and the case should go to a full hearing.

 

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amex v brandon.....where does it say it's been appealled?

I am hoping to use that in court.

 

Morning Series3,

 

I am by no means an expert, still learning as I go on my own case and still heavily reliant on more knowledgable folk round here, but for the record, I had a good read of Amex v Brandon a couple of nights ago. In my opinion, Mr Brandon was done over because he didn't do his homework and because he simply stopped making monthly payments. I believe he raised many valid points but was not able to substantiate them to the Judge's satisfaction and due to way Mr Brandon conducted his account the Judge felt compelled to rule in favour of AMEX. I was distressed to notice that one of the Judges involved in the Brandon case noted that AMEX were a big organisation and therefore would surely have done things properly. Hmmmmm!!

 

The version of Amex v Brandon I read was dated 23 June 2010. I am not certain about whether or when it has been appealed, perhaps another CAGger can advise of that. I would recommend you have a read of it though, it's about 11 pages, just type AMEX v Brandon into Google and you should find it. As you read through it, you will, as I did, find many parallels to your case which will immediately give you an advantage - should the opposition bring it up you will be able to squash them suitably and prove why your case isn't suitable for summary judgement.

 

As someone mentioned previously, it is only Optima's belief that you don't have a case - if they truly believed that they wouldn't be trying to short cut the trial process by taking it to a summary judgement hearing!

 

Please note, the above are just my thoughts and comments.

 

All the best,

CM

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