Rec'd a Summons from a Court? it's just an offer to Contract! but what can you do?

[nuke em]

THe first para came from another thread from last year.....

 

@legalpickle:

 

"Whilst I sympathize with all who get CCJ's from Northampton CCBC - and indeed any court - I disagree that the CCBC is in any way biased to Claimants."-

 

Incorrect, Northampton CCBC & all County Courts are private-for profit companies doing business as trading names of the MOJ.These defacto "courts" operate under admiralty law where under the honour & dishonor system, there is only one (honourable) way to plead when charged , that is to admit or plead "guilty", anything else is considered dishonourable.

 

A Little history....

Under Admiralty law, ( Think olden times & ships here, because nothing has changed) the Claimant is considered to be the "officer" and the defendant is the party considered to be the lowly "rating" upon whom a "charge" has been bought. NOW going back to olden times, when a Officer bought a charge against a rating on a ship, it was ( and still is) presumed that an "Officer" does not lie, therefore the rating ( defendant) MUST be guilty, therefore one must plead Guilty! in an Admiralty Court. There is no other pleading in a CC or a Magistrate Court that will keep you in honour for that matter, they all operate under the same Admiralty Law.

 

So, regardless of what you think you know or have been told by a Lawyer (remember Lawyers need to work in or cause the controversy, otherwise they don’t work & don’t get paid. Hence they will often tell you to plead Not Guilty, as it them who quite often enters this plea knowing the Controversy it will cause, even if were never taught at law school the historical reasons behind it)

 

So,defacto courts are biased for the Claimants,( Officers), they were set up that way. However just because we should plead guilty (or admit) doesn't mean we can’t have our day or win, how so?

 

To stay in honour, a defendant should always plead Guilty, but Guilty to the facts!

 

So, Mr. Nuke em, the Claimant ( Mr. bad bank Credit card Co) states that you owe them 3000 pounds. Do you admit or deny the claim?

I write back, "I conditionally accept that I owe the alleged debt subject to the following proofs of claim.. and then i list the proofs required, something like this

1. A legally enforceable original credit agreement signed in blue ink by the Authorised Representative for Nuke em.

2. Verification of the balance due in the form of a true bill

3. Validation of mr Bad Bank CC Co’s valuable consideration pertaining to the alleged debt, in the form of the actual accounting of its losses.

4. Proof of claim that any and all previous credit agreements were not vitiated when mr Bad Bank CC Co failed to provide validation and verification of the alleged debt, or a legally enforceable credit agreement, pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, the Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983 (SI 1983/1553) and the House of Lords ruling in the case of Wilson v First County Trust Ltd - [2003] All ER (D) 187 (Jul)

5. Proof of claim that mr Bad Bank CC Co is not in multiple breach of the Office of Fair Trading’s Final Guidance on Unfair Business Practices July 2003 (updated December 2006)

 

and so on ...if req'd

But the point is this,i have stayed in Honour, i have given (conditional) acceptance subject to proof of their claim. There are many other facets to this as well, for example if you are not ( choosing to ) contract with a private for profit Court in the first place. Remember a summons is really only offer to Contract...

It helps if you look at a County Court & a "Judge", who is really just an administrator of the Company, (Bless their little egos, most of the lower level judges do not know they work for a private for profit Corporation, they think they work for the State) as a Company looking to offer you benefits/services

So, do you want their benefits/service?, actually I would imagine most of the time, no you don’t, so you dont have to enter into a Contract with them, & dont get them involved with your private commercial affairs.

So, a DCA says you owe them 3000 pounds, forgetting for a mo all the issues about Valid CCA, transfer of alleged debt from OC etc, what benefits/services to you are you going to get out of going to a private for profit Court? -where the only honourable way is to plead guilty? -err None, Not if you are the defendant!

 

So here are my Golden Rules

Firstly, I now don’t go to court, ( Unless I am the Plaintiff) I don’t enter into Contract with them, I reserve all my rights and I wave their benefit/privileges - I do this because I know what I am doing & yes it was scary the first time I decided not to Contract with a private for profit court. Now it's no problem. It’s only fear & your conditioning, which is part of their game

Secondly ( Or Firstly if you agree to enter a contract with a private for profit Court), I would plead Guilty to the Facts, subject to proof(s) of the claim.i have done this many times in the past,i have not had a judgment entered against me nor to I have any CCJ's

 

& Thirdly, although I am not legally trained, I would not use a lawyer in a defacto Court, I would not want to have the STANDING of an imbecilic Child in a Courtroom (which is what you are in Admiralty when you have a lawyer enter a plea on your? behalf. I am a sovereign man and I do everything under my own unlimited commercial liability. All lawyers, Judges, officers,etc have limited liability due to to the commercial nature of their employment/work, put simply my unlimited liability our ranks their limited liability. In a battle of the BONDS I win always! ( all Judges , Lawyers etc have to be BONDED, they are bonded in the private sector through commercial companies who issue these bonds upon payment), they all have a limit, although the limit varies from Judge to Judge, Law firm to law firm, lawyer to lawyer). Most Companies who issue these bonds will only allow 1 claim against that bond, after a claim then the bond won’t be renewed, or will get canceled on the spot (think of car insurance, not quite the same I know, I realize you can have multiple claims but a Judge for example can't..., you have 1 claim, then no one will insure you, then you can’t drive on the roads). No Bond = No Employment. A Judge, Lawyer, Law Firm without a Commercial Liability Policy (bond) in place cannot operate on the SEA of Commerce. & i have fun with BONDS!

 

There is much more to all of this, it’s all out there in plain view, research is required....

 

BTW, Courts with juries ( Court DeJour) operate under Common Law, i.e. the law of the Land & not the law of the sea, ie admiralty.

 

 

"The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate"

[patrickq1]

Northampton CCBC

intresting i have not heard of this particular branch but worth some more research ....

thanks nu

[nuke em]

Northampton CCBC

intresting i have not heard of this particular branch but worth some more research ....

thanks nu

 

 

Northampton CCBC = Northampton County Court Bulk Claims

[patrickq1]

Northampton CCBC & all County Courts are private-for profit companies doing business as trading names of the MOJ.These defacto "courts" operate under admiralty law where under the honour & dishonor system, there is only one (honourable) way to plead when charged , that is to admit or plead "guilty", anything else is considered dishonourable.

i thought this was the ordinary court just for bulk cases ,where does the admiralty come into it or is this a seperate division unbeknown to us ordinary folk ? one where its catch all and operates different from our local courts or can you write t them without admittance and ask for a refferal to a local court,would the local court then operate under admiralty law ?

[nuke em]

Northampton CCBC & all County Courts are private-for profit companies doing business as trading names of the MOJ.These defacto "courts" operate under admiralty law where under the honour & dishonor system, there is only one (honourable) way to plead when charged , that is to admit or plead "guilty", anything else is considered dishonourable.

i thought this was the ordinary court just for bulk cases ,where does the admiralty come into it or is this a seperate division unbeknown to us ordinary folk ? one where its catch all and operates different from our local courts or can you write t them without admittance and ask for a refferal to a local court,would the local court then operate under admiralty law ?

 

It is a fast track operation to get as much out of you as possible , in the quickest , most efficient time . just as any Business would do.

 

All courts whether County, Magistrates or any court that does not have an jury operates as a defacto court under admiralty law, and its all about Honour & Dishonour.

You can not plead not guilty/deny the charge in an Admiralty Court, if you do you are in dishonour , sols know this but they earn their money by dealing with controversy, so that is why they cause them many times by telling their "client" to plead NG/deny the charge. The correct way to plead under admiralty is Guilty TO THE FACTS, that way you stay in honour. You only plead guilty to the facts. therefore the facts must be established.

Of course as you now know that these defacto courts are nothing but a private for profit operation, you might not want to CONTRACT with them in the first place, see my post here

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/175668-how-credit-cards-bank-16.html#post2737419

 

Courts that have a jury are courts dejour and operate under Common law ( which are much better for the people, that's why Blair wanted to do away with them as much as possible when he was PM)

[nick20045]

Ahhhhhhh the good old days.

 

May I please bring you, as they say "Up to speed" (Or in real terms "Up to date")?

 

Admirality Law in the 21st Century.

 

21st Century Politically Correct Battle of Trafalgar

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

An amended version of "history" - sorry "personstory" - (mustn't be

genderist)...

 

 

Nelson: "Order the signal, Hardy."

 

Hardy: "Aye, aye sir."

 

Nelson: "Hold on, that's not what I dictated to Flags. What's the meaning of this?"

 

Hardy: "Sorry sir?"

 

Nelson (reading aloud): "England expects every person to do his or her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious persuasion or

disability.' - What gobbledegook is this?"

 

Hardy: "Admiralty policy, I'm afraid, sir. We're an equal opportunities

employer now. We had the devil's own job getting 'England...' past the

censors, lest it be considered racist."

 

Nelson: "Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco."

 

Hardy: "Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated smoke-free

working environments."

 

Nelson: "In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the

mainbrace to steel the men before battle."

 

Hardy: "The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. Its part of the

Government's policy on binge drinking."

 

Nelson: "Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we'd better get on with it

............. full speed ahead."

 

Hardy: "I think you'll find that there's a 4 knot speed limit in this

stretch of water."

 

Nelson: "Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in

history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the crow's nest

please."

 

Hardy: "That won't be possible, sir."

 

Nelson: "What?"

 

Hardy: "Health and Safety have closed the crow's nest, sir. No harness; and they said that rope ladders don't meet regulations. They won't let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected."

 

Nelson: "Then get me the ship's carpenter without delay, Hardy."

 

Hardy: "He's busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the foredeck, Admiral."

 

Nelson: "Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd."

 

Hardy: "Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a barrier-free

environment for the differently abled."

 

Nelson: "Differently abled? I've only one arm and one eye and I refuse even

to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank of admiral by playing

the disability card."

 

Hardy: "Actually, sir, you did. The Royal Navy is under represented in the

areas of visual impairment and limb deficiency."

 

Nelson: "Whatever next? Give me full sail. The salt spray beckons."

 

Hardy: "A couple of problems there too, sir. Health and safety won't let the

crew up the rigging without hard hats. And they don't want anyone breathing in too much salt - haven't you seen the adverts?"

 

Nelson: "I've never heard such infamy. Break out the cannon and tell the men to stand by to engage the enemy."

 

Hardy: "The men are a bit worried about shooting at anyone, Admiral."

 

Nelson: "What? This is mutiny!"

 

Hardy: "It's not that, sir. It's just that they're afraid of being charged

with murder if they actually kill anyone. There's a couple of legal-aid

lawyers on board, watching everyone like hawks."

 

Nelson: "Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?"

 

Hardy: "Actually, sir, we're not."

 

Nelson: "We're not?"

 

Hardy: "No, sir. The French and the Spanish are our European partners now. According to the Common Fisheries Policy, we shouldn't even be in this stretch of water. We could get hit with a claim for compensation."

 

Nelson: "But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil."

 

Hardy: "I wouldn't let the ship's diversity co-ordinator hear you saying

that sir. You'll be up on disciplinary report."

 

Nelson: "You must consider every man an enemy, who speaks ill of your King."

 

Hardy: "Not any more, sir. We must be inclusive in this multicultural age.

Now put on your Kevlar vest; it's the rules. It could save your life"

 

Nelson: "Don't tell me - health and safety. Whatever happened to rum, sodomy and the lash?"

 

Hardy: As I explained, sir, rum is off the menu! And there's a total ban on

corporal punishment."

 

Nelson: "What about sodomy?"

 

Hardy: "I believe that is now legal, sir"

 

Nelson: "In that case............................ kiss me, Hardy"

[nuke em]

lol very funny

[Guest HeftyHippo]

don't know how serious nuke em is about his diatribe re Admiralty Law, but he's a bit confused. I know I shouldn't encourage him by commenting, and I know we'll probably all regret this, but to put the few minds to rest that might actually believe he might be right and that we shouldn't show our palms on court lest the Admiral, sorry Judge be offended by there dirty state, I thought I'd add some facts, although its a shame to let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

 

Admiralty Law also covers things on land that are maritime related. Its also not: " not the law of the sea, ie admiralty." Law of the Sea is different, dealing with international aspects of the sea and coastal waters such as navigation and rights of passage and territorial boundaries between countries. Admiralty Law goes back way more than 1000 years and is a mix of private domestic, and international law concerning matters of ship borne trade. Its been developed from Roman law and been heavily influenced by other organised legal methods from the Mediterranean area, and from Islamic law (Muslims have had a well developed legal system for at least as long as the oldest European system), and from Northern European countries, all of whom had extensive maritime trade. It therefore did not originate in England, or Great Britain. Furthermore it is a civil commercial law, not military law as your analogy of the officer and deck hand suggests, although there were aspects of personal conduct and pay introduced by Islamic Law

 

Far from County Courts operating Admiralty Law, the latter is now exercised from the High Court in London, all other Admiralty Courts having been closed some time ago.

 

Oh, and as for all County Courts being "private-for profit companies doing business as trading names of the MOJ".... nonsense. Have a look at Companies House, no where will you find any Court registered as a Limited Company, not on their stationery will you see the words Ltd. No Directors will be mentioned, and there isn't any registration number. And the MOJ isn't mentioned along the lines as "Ministry of Justice Trading As Northampton County Court" or similar.

 

Best lay off the DVD of "Master and Commander " NUke Em, and if any Cagger has a screen name of "Hardy"... best keep well clear

[nick20045]

and if any Cagger has a screen name of "Hardy"... best keep well clear

'Ere!!!!!!!!!! What is wrong with "Hardy". :D:D:D

[nuke em]

don't know how serious nuke em is about his diatribe re Admiralty Law, but he's a bit confused. I know I shouldn't encourage him by commenting, and I know we'll probably all regret this,[of course you will , you are talking hippo-speak] but to put the few minds to rest that might actually believe he might be right and that we shouldn't show our palms on court lest the Admiral, sorry Judge be offended by there dirty state, I thought I'd add some facts,-& the Proof of your Claim is ???? although its a shame to let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

 

Admiralty Law also covers things on land that are maritime related. Its also not: " not the law of the sea, ie admiralty." Law of the Sea is different, dealing with international aspects of the sea and coastal waters such as navigation and rights of passage and territorial boundaries between countries. Admiralty Law goes back way more than 1000 years and is a mix of private domestic, and international law concerning matters of ship borne trade. Its been developed from Roman law and been heavily influenced by other organised legal methods from the Mediterranean area, and from Islamic law (Muslims have had a well developed legal system for at least as long as the oldest European system), and from Northern European countries, all of whom had extensive maritime trade. It therefore did not originate in England, or Great Britain. Furthermore it is a civil commercial law, not military law as your analogy of the officer and deck hand suggests, although there were aspects of personal conduct and pay introduced by Islamic Law - Facinating history lesson, but irrelavent

 

Far from County Courts operating Admiralty Law, the latter is now exercised from the High Court in London, all other Admiralty Courts having been closed some time ago. and the proof of your Claim is ??/?

As i said the county courts were operating under Admiralty "law" NOT that they were Admiralty Courts ! a big difference,

 

Oh, and as for all County Courts being "private-for profit companies doing business as trading names of the MOJ".... nonsense. Have a look at Companies House, no where will you find any Court registered as a Limited Company, not on their stationery will you see the words Ltd. No Directors will be mentioned, and there isn't any registration number. And the MOJ isn't mentioned along the lines as "Ministry of Justice Trading As Northampton County Court" or similar. - Is that all you have as "proof" ? Companies House?, Tut Tut, You've clearly done no research

 

Best lay off the DVD of "Master and Commander " NUke Em, and if any Cagger has a screen name of "Hardy"... best keep well clear

 

 

Hefty - i think you need to get out of your zoo cage once in a while,the exercise will do you good.!

 

Of course you wont find them under Companies House 'cos they are not a Limited or Public Liability Company, doh , However if you look in Dun & Bradstreet for example, you will find under D_U_N_S number 22-549-8526 you see the entry:-

 

Ministry of Justice

Selbourne House

54-60 Victoria Street

London

SW1E 6QE

 

Line of BUSINESS ----- Government Department

 

( Note how i cleverly made the word Business big so you wouldnt miss it)

 

It also states They are Trading as- Asylum Immigration Tribunal, Magistrates Courts, Public Trustee Office etc

 

ONLY BUSINESSES have D & B numbers, whether they are a limited liability, public liability ( Plc), based in this Country & or anywhere in the world, or another type of business entity... BUT THEY ARE ALL for-profit businesses

 

ALSO YOU WONT WANT TO BELIEVE THAT

Alistair Darling is t/as the Labour Party !

 

 

BR THE LABOUR PARTY

Also Traded as DARLING,ALISTAIR, xxxxxxxx EDINBURGH, xxxxxxx , GB

 

Or that the Department of Transport t/as Driver & Vehicle Licensing among many many others !

 

Plus the United Kingdom is also Corporation, check it out !!!

( at d & B , NOT AT COMPANIES HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

Or that the M.O.D t/as the Bank for International Settlements ! ( BIS)

 

Shocking!

But it's all true!

 

 

Whether you feel this is right or wrong is not relevant, but what is relevant is the fact that these businesses are very irresponsible with your money – so the question is – why are you still paying them?

 

Company; an institution created to conduct business;

Business; a commercial or industrial enterprise and the people who constitute it.

 

 

 

 

 

plus

 

Check out this link if you ever needed any more proof that the Court system is nothing more then a revenue generating business: Information About...

 

If you are 'unsatisfied with the SERVICE you can complain to the CUSTOMER SERVICE UNIT

 

BTW: When was the last time you were ordered into Asda to do business?

 

This is their Home Page: Her Majesty's Courts Service - Home Have a good look at 'Justice' in this coporate country!

 

 

 

 

EVERYTHING IS BUSINESSS & CORPORATE , Everything!, get used to it, research it yourself before you type the posts !, it makes you look silly!

 

Its all about the money

 

Master- OUT!

[palomino]

Err, why would D & B carry a greater weight than Companies House?

 

In any case 'business' can be carried out by sole traders, partnerships, charities and various other legal entities apart from companies.

 

And as for 'honour' ... that is a long forgotten concept and, I would contend, no longer relevant.

 

 

 

I'm not quite sure where all this is heading but I'll go along for the ride.

[nuke em]

Err, why would D & B carry a greater weight than Companies House? Cos it all to to do with the UCC ( uniform Commercial Code ) which is worldwide, and the UC number

 

In any case 'business' can be carried out by sole traders, partnerships, charities and various other legal entities apart from companies. True, but all entities have to be registered, sole traders etc do not

 

And as for 'honour' ... that is a long forgotten concept and, I would contend, no longer relevant. you might believe that , but the Courts don;t

 

 

I'm not quite sure where all this is heading but I'll go along for the ride., OK but hows about doing some research then?

 

Check out how many Business Entities have CCJ's against them, banks fair enough but if the rest were really Local Authorities/gov depts etc why would they have CCJ;s ?

 

The Hall of Shame

 

Hall of Shame | www.tpuc.org

[Guest HeftyHippo]

Northampton CCBC & all County Courts are private-for profit companies doing business as trading names of the MOJ.

 

You're too simple minded to actually see the error of your ways. Probably too much video games or something else thats rotted your brain and reduced the capacity to sort fact from fiction from the conspiracy websites you visit.

 

I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, I just thought I'd point out YOUR words, and I've made them big so you'd see them and make them different colours so you won't get confused with what you said each day.

 

Of course you wont find them under Companies House 'cos they are not a Limited or Public Liability Company, doh , However if you look in Dun & Bradstreet for example, you will find under D_U_N_S number 22-549-8526 you see the entry:-

 

See - different sizes, AND colours so you don't get confused any more than you already were.

 

If you didn't know, if it's a company, then its LIMITED. If it isn't a company, it's a firm or a sole trader. Firm can be categorised as partnerships, cooperatives, or a sole trader employing others.

 

If its a Company, then it must be registered at Companies House.

 

research it yourself before you type the posts !, it makes you look silly!

You needn't kid yourself that attempts at put downs like that make you look superior in any way. They don't. It simply reveals your lack of manners and inability to see the truth.

 

As for Bradsheet........... it's a directory, to help people find contact details. The secret code you mention is universal. It doesn't mean anyone with a code is a business. Just like the numbers on the spines of a book (I'm assuming you know what a book is. If you don't, look it up somewhere. Just cos it has a number doesn't mean its a business. Simply a means of categorising things.

 

You offered no proof of any thing you said, but stutter about 'proof' in my post. Its just a shame you cant see the opportunity to gain some education for yourself and would rather make snidy remarks.

 

As for you claiming there's a difference between operating under Admiralty Law, and being a Admiralty Court....................... the only place where Admiralty Law could be dispensed prior to the closing down of the Admiralty Courts was an Admiralty Court. If it ran under Admiralty Law it WAS an Admiralty Court by definition. The room in the High Court Where the Admiralty Court sits is an Admiralty Court for the session.

 

As for CCjs, anyone over 16 can have a CCJ against them, not just businesses. You should know that.

 

Well, amuse yourself, I've got better things to do.

Edited January 31, 2010 by HeftyHippo

[Series3]

Ahhhh...I see your "Free Man"

It all looks good until you try it and find yourself in a cell.

 

If it's cold, you could always ask them to put another bar on;)

[shinobi101]

The MOJ' D&B credit report also says it was "incorporated for business" in the year 1600! (It's not a typo, that's 410 years ago)

 

It all looks good until you try it and find yourself in a cell.

 

Why is John Harris not in a cell then? Take a look at the TPUC site.

 

www.tpuc.org | News for positive people

[nuke em]

 

Well, amuse yourself, I've got better things to do.

 

Actually , obviously you don't!

 

 

Here is a good quote

 

"The ultimate ignorance is the rejection of something you know nothing about and refuse to investigate" - couldn't have put it better myself

 

[nuke em]

The MOJ' D&B credit report also says it was "incorporated for business" in the year 1600! (It's not a typo, that's 410 years ago)

 

 

 

Why is John Harris not in a cell then? Take a look at the TPUC site.

 

www.tpuc.org | News for positive people

 

 

shinobi101 , dont go around bringing extra info/ facts to research/discuss on this thread, you will get hammered! lol

[shinobi101]

shinobi101 , dont go around bringing extra info/ facts to research/discuss on this thread, you will get hammered! lol

 

I'd better not tell hefty hippo that dun & bradstreet is a credit reference agency, not a directory. And I'd really better not mention that major financial services companies in the uk use the D&B rating to assess a company's credit worthiness.

 

They'll eat me alive:lol: