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I believe in the same things as you Spamheed, believe it or not!

 

Regulation, or regulation that is followed is the key.

 

Somehow I doubt it, since you stand to show a nice profit for as long as the lack of regulation exists.

 

I'll stick with my hope of an SIA cull

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Any comments I have made about doormen and the SIA are brought about by first hand experiences and were raised on this thread in anticipation of the problems bailiffs are going to face when the SIA begin their regulation of your chosen profession.

 

The comments you have made are figments of your own fantasies and say much more about you than the one line retraction ever could.

 

I do not make the slightest attempt to hide my contempt for all bailiffs and debt collectors, Nor do I apoligise for regarding the lot of you as being nothing more than bullies who prey on the weak and vulnerable but are incapable of acting in the same aggressive and arrogant manner when faced with a full sized and capable person who is not bowed by you. This opinion is based on a number of personal experiences

 

Whilst WE may not all be the same, ALL BAILIFFS AND DEBT COLLECTORS ARE!!

 

You are an active part of an industry that is corrupt from top to bottom, lying through your teeth and thievery are not an exception to the rule, performed by the few, they are an accepted part of your job with exhorbitant fees ranging from the sublime to the rediculous being applied on a daily basis.

 

Whilst it is high time all of the unlicenced and unregistered cowboys in your line of work are brought to heel, I do honestly hope that either the SIA or whatever tool the government uses to slap you down will eventually bring about the unemployment of you and as many of your professional associates as is humanly possible and the ordinary citizen will breath a sigh of relief as you go

 

 

Spamheed, In my experience doing close protection in IRAQ, doing door work and being a bailiff, they are all closely linked, with the same sort of people doing all the above the jobs.

 

Ask any door supervisor, what they have done, would like to do and they will probably say all of the above.

 

most of the bailiffs I have worked with still work on the doors, or eihter have progressed to doing close protection.

 

Again most of the above jobs are filled by ex squaddies, myself being one, having served in Bosnia, Kosovo, Northern Ireland, afgahnistan and Iraq,

 

But that makes me what? Someone wholikes to do a job properly!

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We are working with the Ministry of Justice on the introduction of Regulation of enforcment agents. Work is also in hand on the future licensing of private investigators and precognition agents.

 

What? The b*ggers are using psychics these days? No wonder they always catch me at home... :shock:

 

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most of the bailiffs I have worked with still work on the doors, or eihter have progressed to doing close protection.!

 

I wonder what firm you worked in.

 

The bailiffs I come accross are young person with a very limited education, deadbeats & losers and fed up with the job. Natrually the majority of bailiffs dont stay in the job for long.

 

Besides, its a disgusting job, often going to disgusting places ciollecting money which people simply dont have. The cushy work - cases which appear to have a reasonable prospect of a large fee-take - are all reserved by management who make the attendance themselves. This leaves the rubbish to the employed or commission-only bailiffs.

 

Not naming any firm in particular, some firms even send new recruits out into the field before their certificate has arrived.

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Its a consultation paper - asking for comments and suggestions on improving training procedure for bailiffs.

 

Its not asking for statements so how can anyone lie?

 

Scratch's head.

 

Statements??? within the new training regime..1st item to be addressed..THOU SHALL NOT LIE..simple is'int it?

 

Mr W

 

never did get that pint, still here.

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I dont see the point to this, this is not about setting a 10 commandments of civil enforcmement. 1 thou shalt not defraud 2. thou shalt not steal 3. thou shalt not embezzle...

 

Its consulting the public on training requirements for bailiffs. Any element of dishonesty in an applicant is eliminated at the recruitment stage, long before commencment of training.

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I wonder what firm you worked in.

 

The bailiffs I come accross are young person with a very limited education, deadbeats & losers and fed up with the job. Natrually the majority of bailiffs dont stay in the job for long.

 

Besides, its a disgusting job, often going to disgusting places ciollecting money which people simply dont have. The cushy work - cases which appear to have a reasonable prospect of a large fee-take - are all reserved by management who make the attendance themselves. This leaves the rubbish to the employed or commission-only bailiffs.

 

Not naming any firm in particular, some firms even send new recruits out into the field before their certificate has arrived.

 

 

NP you are correct. most companies have staff who are ill trained, inexperienced with very little understaning of the laws that they are actually using,

 

Myself personaly joint a bailiff company many years ago, who are now one of the leading companies, but back then had, imo limited knowledge, with regard to the laws the where enforcing.

 

Things have changed, believe it or not!

 

I personaly welcome a well structured fee system.

 

I started in the office of a company, but thought I could do a better job than most of the other bailiffs,

 

subsequentley I have worke for a few different companies, whilst doing close protection and doorwork

 

I have seen people come and go, all different characters of people, from ex lawyers to door supervisors to schoool teachers.

 

Most are in the job for a short time,whilst other make a career out of it, Its not the job you want to do when you leave school, but its a job none the less.

 

I personaly stick to the GUIDELINES and charge fees that are laid out by the company I work for, which I understand Is agreed by the local authorities or the Magistrates.

 

I try to treat people with respect and fairness, each person I meet I act by how they treat me, If they are resonable and have had a problem with regards to not having due process served on them, I do my best, to ensure they are able to use the appropriate chanel to exercise their rights.

 

Most people are very plesant,agree an arangement I.E a date where I can collect payment.

 

Others Ignore letters, messages passed on to their family and have to be forced to pay,

I appreciate some people cant pay, I normaly refer these back to the court or council, when I have done an assesment on their income.

 

Some however just are not bothered until they are put in a corner.

 

I now after many years of working as a bailiff, still have confidence in the society I live in, I.E I attended a property In a rough area , left a letter, spoke to the defendent and arranged a suitable time to collect her payment for her fine.

 

She explained to me that she had been forgetfull to pay the fine, even after all the letters, but had made an effort to pay the fine after my letter as she considered herself accountable for her actions and wanted to be an example to her kids.( she worked her ass off to get the money)

 

I had so much rspect for her!

 

I do know what you mean Np about the management reserving the best jobs for themselvees, but you will find they have, been there and done it, climbed the ladder and now are able to pick the better jobs, like in any other proffession.

 

Myself Personaly, I Run a private parking enforcement company.

 

We specialise in Trespasser Evictions.

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I dont see the point to this, this is not about setting a 10 commandments of civil enforcmement. 1 thou shalt not defraud 2. thou shalt not steal 3. thou shalt not embezzle..BUT THEY ALL DO IT

 

Its consulting the public on training requirements for bailiffs. Any element of dishonesty in an applicant is eliminated at the recruitment stage, long before commencment of training.

OH SO THE THREE B's THAT HAVE VISiTED MY HOME IN THE LAST 4 MONTH MUST HAVE FORGED THEIR DOCUMENTS, OR HAD THEIR FINGERS CROSSED BEHIND THEIR BACKS??????.

 

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OH SO THE THREE B's THAT HAVE VISiTED MY HOME IN THE LAST 4 MONTH MUST HAVE FORGED THEIR DOCUMENTS, OR HAD THEIR FINGERS CROSSED BEHIND THEIR BACKS??????.

 

Mr W

 

 

Sorry Mr W, I havent been following your story, what happened to you, what did the bailiffs do?

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NP you are correct. most companies have staff who are ill trained, inexperienced with very little understaning of the laws that they are actually using,

 

Thats the idea of this excercise.

 

I personaly welcome a well structured fee system.

 

The consultation is nothing to do with fees, if you want to standardise a bailiff fee structure regardless of the nature of debt, then Lord Bach is your man.

 

I started in the office of a company, but thought I could do a better job than most of the other bailiffs,

 

Jamie Waller did the same, probably got bored with the rubbish cases the management at Drakes didnt want and passed them down the pecking-order heirachy, and he decided to start his own biz - JBW Enforcements Ltd - and went out bidding on his former employers contracts. He then kept the cushy work for himself and his mate, and employed others to do the rubbish until one if his employees copies him and starts his won biz and starts bidding for his contracts and we now have perpetual motion.

 

 

I have seen people come and go, all different characters of people, from ex lawyers to door supervisors to schoool teachers.

 

Why would anyone who has worked so many years at university to earn his practising certificate to become a lawyer, want to ditch his profession and become a bailiff? You wont find a surgeon wanting to improve his career by becoming a hospital porter.

 

 

I personaly stick to the GUIDELINES and charge fees that are laid out by the company I work for, which I understand Is agreed by the local authorities or the Magistrates.

 

The local authorities cannot dictate bailiffs fees for unpaid council tax, they are prescribed in legislation. Bailiff companies cannot dictate fees for unpiad fines. HMCS sets them by contract when they invite tenders under Section 92 of the Courts Act. Contractual fees for unpaid fines are unenforceable against debtors without a costs order, they are deducted at the agreed amount before the bailiff firm pays the balance to court.

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Thats the idea of this excercise.

 

 

 

The consultation is nothing to do with fees, if you want to standardise a bailiff fee structure regardless of the nature of debt, then Lord Bach is your man.

 

(I know that, I said I welcome a system of standardised fees)

 

 

Jamie Waller did the same, probably got bored with the rubbish cases the management at Drakes didnt want and passed them down the pecking-order heirachy, and he decided to start his own biz - JBW Enforcements Ltd - and went out bidding on his former employers contracts. He then kept the cushy work for himself and his mate, and employed others to do the rubbish until one if his employees copies him and starts his won biz and starts bidding for his contracts and we now have perpetual motion.

 

(I dont think thats the case at all, as if that was the case he could have been sitting prety just being a bailiff!)

 

 

 

 

Why would anyone who has worked so many years at university to earn his practising certificate to become a lawyer, want to ditch his profession and become a bailiff? You wont find a surgeon wanting to improve his career by becoming a hospital porter.

 

(Job Satisfaction and as you have stated yourself, better pay)

 

 

 

The local authorities cannot dictate bailiffs fees for unpaid council tax, they are prescribed in legislation. Bailiff companies cannot dictate fees for unpiad fines. HMCS sets them by contract when they invite tenders under Section 92 of the Courts Act. Contractual fees for unpaid fines are unenforceable against debtors without a costs order, they are deducted at the agreed amount before the bailiff firm pays the balance to court.

 

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I can see NP's point if what I have read and hopefully read correctly simply means all this consultation is going to achieve will be circus trained animals ( who as we all know can be seen to turn to revert to basic instincts) given the fact we already know they are dumb animals then we have no hope of getting them to adhere to the 10 commandments we are so desperate to see in place.

1. thou shalt not charge for work not done...

2. thou shalt not clamp the car without making sure..

3. thou shalt not threaten to arrest the debtor

4. thou shalt not intimidate the debtor through lies...

5. thou shalt not cause physical harm to the debtor

6. thou shalt not reduce the vunerable to tears..

etc etc

I think it will need more than 10 commandments but that appears to be a good number to work around for now.

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I can see NP's point if what I have read and hopefully read correctly simply means all this consultation is going to achieve will be circus trained animals ( who as we all know can be seen to turn to revert to basic instincts) given the fact we already know they are dumb animals then we have no hope of getting them to adhere to the 10 commandments we are so desperate to see in place.

1. thou shalt not charge for work not done...

2. thou shalt not clamp the car without making sure..

3. thou shalt not threaten to arrest the debtor

4. thou shalt not intimidate the debtor through lies...

5. thou shalt not cause physical harm to the debtor

6. thou shalt not reduce the vunerable to tears..

etc etc

I think it will need more than 10 commandments but that appears to be a good number to work around for now.

 

 

WD, now is the time to enlighten us( SIA) with your way of doing things better.

 

Please feel free to post your response to the consultation papers on this forum!

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(Job Satisfaction and as you have stated yourself, better pay)

 

A bailiff has better pay than a lawyer? you must be kidding!

 

I accept the company can make a quick buck with a run of high-fee cases but its mostly in parking ticket and buslane work, but ground-floor bailiffs have nearly always been from low-income backgrounds and rarely make an income greater than a postman or a bus driver. Its a job nobody wants, hence the high turnover.

 

Council tax cases are not lucrative because bailiffs bid on council tenders which have a no-collect no-fee arrengement.

 

Fines are much harder to work because criminals have a propensity to not pay fines are very highly mobile, but once cornered; they have an uncanny way of raising cash very quickly. Not difficult to work out they do it.

 

Parking tickets, heres where the big money is made, these are people who have a car to seize and this is why JBW focuses his main interests - parking ticket collection tenders. Theres lots of money to be made in lifting cars and selling them at "auctions" raking in the cash all along the way. I am told that many cars seized by JBW that are later checked with DVLA seem to have a registered keepers name that also appears here: Certificated Bailiff It seems some motor-traders moonlight as bailiffs – or its bailiffs moonlighting as motor-traders.

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WD, now is the time to enlighten us( SIA) with your way of doing things better.

 

Please feel free to post your response to the consultation papers on this forum!

for gods sake man do you ever read and aborb the posts? I have already said I think we need more than a consultaion exercise to establish bailiff etiquette to correct the enforcement system in the UK

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I can see NP's point if what I have read and hopefully read correctly simply means all this consultation is going to achieve will be circus trained animals ( who as we all know can be seen to turn to revert to basic instincts) given the fact we already know they are dumb animals then we have no hope of getting them to adhere to the 10 commandments we are so desperate to see in place.

1. thou shalt not charge for work not done...

2. thou shalt not clamp the car without making sure..

3. thou shalt not threaten to arrest the debtor

4. thou shalt not intimidate the debtor through lies...

5. thou shalt not cause physical harm to the debtor

6. thou shalt not reduce the vunerable to tears..

etc etc

I think it will need more than 10 commandments but that appears to be a good number to work around for now.

 

yes I read your posts you go on about the consultation and dumb animals

 

Np, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TRAINED BARRISTERS IN THE BAILIFF INDUSTRY,

 

A good bailiff can earn 100,000 a year

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A bailiff has better pay than a lawyer? you must be kidding!

 

I accept the company can make a quick buck with a run of high-fee cases but its mostly in parking ticket and buslane work, but ground-floor bailiffs have nearly always been from low-income backgrounds and rarely make an income greater than a postman or a bus driver. Its a job nobody wants, hence the high turnover.

 

Council tax cases are not lucrative because bailiffs bid on council tenders which have a no-collect no-fee arrengement.

 

Fines are much harder to work because criminals have a propensity to not pay fines are very highly mobile, but once cornered; they have an uncanny way of raising cash very quickly. Not difficult to work out they do it.

 

Parking tickets, heres where the big money is made, these are people who have a car to seize and this is why JBW focuses his main interests - parking ticket collection tenders. Theres lots of money to be made in lifting cars and selling them at "auctions" raking in the cash all along the way. I am told that many cars seized by JBW that are later checked with DVLA seem to have a registered keepers name that also appears here: Certificated Bailiff It seems some motor-traders moonlight as bailiffs – or its bailiffs moonlighting as motor-traders.

 

 

I always earnt my best money with magistrate fines, have been in some sticky situation with supposedly hard men.

 

JBW would like to do magistrate fines, hence why they tendered.

 

the only problem being the bribery to get the contracts

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the only problem being the bribery to get the contracts

 

Are you saying there are corrupt officials awarding government contracts to their friends? or bailiffs companies are paying a kickback to an official in return for being awarded a contract?

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Depends who you work for! I am probably giving the best case of earnings, for bailiffs who deal in just rent warrants

 

The first port of call for an aggrived landlord is a solicitor, and they tend keep the enforcement work to themselves. Private litigation is a win-win situation for lawyers because the creditor always pays the bill if the defendant cant. But getting the work and harvesting new cases in the first place - marketing - is very expensive.

 

This is why bailiffs firms are marketing for claimants who already have reached CCJ stage and sell them their transfer up service. They cant make anything on the prescribed £45 fee for collecting an unpaid CCJ. The claimant pays up front fees, and the HCEO charges the debtor fees again. The HCEO is paid twice.

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