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your 100% right layer_cake

 

you have to excuse the TROLLS as they are trying to convince people they are innocent and did nothing wrong, what a sad life they must lead, but as all that time being bullied @ school etc make them such a hard person when the come across a victim they can bully, and in some cases STEAL FROM calling them charges

 

Your problem Kiptower is that you cant except someone elses point of view, Im sure if the bailiff industry was that corrupt something would have been done about it along time ago.

 

The bailiff industry by no means is perfect, but not everyone is bad, If you honestly think that, then you are blinkered

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I can expect many opinions but this forum is not a soap box for balliffs and their Trolls to shout on , bias'ed opinions are not welcome

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Im sure if the bailiff industry was that corrupt something would have been done about it along time ago.

 

The bailiff industry by no means is perfect, but not everyone is bad, If you honestly think that, then you are blinkered

 

NO YOUR RIGHT ITS NOT THE BAILIFF INDUSTRY THATS CORRUPT ITS THE THE BAILIFFS THEMSELVES. they think they are above the law

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NO YOUR RIGHT ITS NOT THE BAILIFF INDUSTRY THATS CORRUPT ITS THE THE BAILIFFS THEMSELVES. they think they are above the law
Some of them do. The one I recently dealt with sure did. When I started referring to the laws and statutes, he brought the phone call to an end. They actually break their own code by behaving so badly as one the rules is not to bring the debt collection industry into disrepute. I do wonder about what training these people get and who trains them, as they don't do reason. I feel it's more than one or two bad apples as well as the ones collecting council tax and parking fines seem to have the same appraoch / script. mmmm?
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Your problem Kiptower is that you cant except someone elses point of view, Im sure if the bailiff industry was that corrupt something would have been done about it along time ago. Oh please For start there are no votes in it & as a result the politicians will bend over backwards to facilitate the lenders as witnesses by their emasculation of the CCA

 

The bailiff industry by no means is perfect, but not everyone is bad, If you honestly think that, then you are blinkered[/quote

 

My experience which is considerable spanning many decades is that they are & will say anything to get a debtor to pay. Even if it means depriving that debtors family of money to eat

 

Anyway I keep asking how can any human being start work each day knowing that they are going to spend their time demanding money with menaces from the disadvantaged & please don't say it's a job & someones got to do it cos they don't

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To be fair, I've not really read anything I would describe as offensive from HCE. All he seems to be doing is bringing his particular part of the industry's viewpoint where he feels it is required. Sometimes, it worthwhile knowing the interpretation of a particlar event from the poacher. Even if he's not yet a gamekeeper.

That said, obviously, mine is a newbies point of view, you guys probably know better.

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Without having someone point out an alternative point of view, you can't be consciously aware of it and prepare for those eventualities as a result.

 

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My post [#82 should anyone post whilst I'm pontificating] seems a bit out of place as I hadn't realised there was another two pages still unread!

Having gone through many bailiff experiences myself - and given suicide very intense consideration because of it at one stage - I wish I had found this site a long time ago [had it existed, of course].

It's an emotive area where the vast majority of peoples interactions with Enforcement Agents are incredibly negative and primarily intimidating. Not to mention financially devastating.

It is not surprising that this forum could be perceived as a potentially hostile environment for people working in that industry to post.

But information and debate here cannot be one sided. Surely, as long as they are polite, respectful, truthfull and aware of the pain many on here have suffered or are suffering then surely the likes of HCE and twonames should be welcomed? Those who come here to be abusive or to deliberately muddy the waters are those to whom the site should show short shrift. [Ah, alliteration at its best!].

Whilst I understand the sentiments of many of the recent posts here, they sadden me nonetheless. Whilst we may hurt we are still human. We retain dignity and shouldn't descend into a pack mentality of mass attack.

Just my viewpoint.

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I have to agree with Kelcou

I often question his postings and ask myself, why is he on here? he certainly doesn't give support to caggers that they should remain positive, he doesn't advise them they have the right to pay only what they have been ordered to pay, he doesn't dispel caggers fears when they have been threatened with arrest, he doesn't explain their rights when they have been unfairly treated. His post to one cagger was "you've be found guilty now pay up" Personally I think he is scared of this site because more and more people are getting to know bailiffs/enforcement officer's can be seen on a daily basis to represent a corrupt industry.

 

 

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I stand by my statements and wont be dragged into a slanging match. You're entitled to your opinions and for some childish rebukes. I am only saying what I see and have seen over the years.

 

Merry Christmas.

 

If this remark is directed at me I think you should be made aware I past the childish rebuke stage of life a long time before I reached my pension age, now it is called a realistic rebuke drawn from my experiences of life..

 

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CAG. ban me if you want.

 

I have tried to give honest advice, put right many of the wrongs and give my opinion, which isnt always liked but is MY OPINION!

 

This forum is about educating people not listening to the bitter ones sided rant of idiots. Some, who all can see in this particular post, are not worthy of an educated response anyway.

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If this remark is directed at me I think you should be made aware I past the childish rebuke stage of life a long time before I reached my pension age, now it is called a realistic rebuke drawn from my experiences of life..

 

wd

 

Really... :rolleyes:

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HCE, if you'll excuse the phraseology, anyone should be welcome here even those batting for the other side. As long as they appreciate the feelings and torment many here have been forced to endure.

I did pm danboy381 and state I wouldn't post again as I don't want his thread lost in a mass of vitriole.

APOLS FOR THE CAPS - JUST FOR CLARITY - BUT MAY I ASK THAT NO-ONE ELSE POSTS UNLESS IT IS RELEVANT TO DANBOY381'S PROBLEM? THOSE WHO HAVE FELT A NEED TO REPLY HAVE NOW HAD IT. So, please, on with the show...

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Danboy

 

I had not the same but of sorts, i have just had a letter to say that they have now passed it to there professional standards department and i will receive a responce in due course,

 

I have made it very clear that this is there last chance or i will send everything to the IPCC.

 

until everybody makes a stance this will not stop, i am also making a complaint to HMCS for allowing this to continue.

 

i have given the courts solid concreat proof that they have been lied to in a huge way by a HCEO and yet they still dont act on it.

 

However i have had an order from a QC this week who has given me some very good advice and it means that the protection that HCEO get from the courts is not al that, i will tell all in due course.

 

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I think that what is clear here is that nobody minds the 'other side' being on the site provided that the information they share is correct & legal.

Its when they spout rubbish that they are never wrong that people become disgruntled (rightly so).

 

It is time that bailiffs were properly regulated & that the general public were made aware of exactly what the bailiffs powers are as well as the charges they can lawfully make.

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I think that what is clear here is that nobody minds the 'other side' being on the site provided that the information they share is correct & legal.

Its when they spout rubbish that they are never wrong that people become disgruntled (rightly so).

 

It is time that bailiffs were properly regulated & that the general public were made aware of exactly what the bailiffs powers are as well as the charges they can lawfully make.

 

 

Agree totally mate, not only the public but the POLICE MUST be EDUCATED as well on this, as they are just as bad letting it happen ! :)

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I will talk to sombody soon with regards to this but what would help is, when a bailiff or a HCEO attends they should also on there first visit give you an advice booklet that explains your rights do's and dont's and what the bailiff can and more to the point can't do because every other court service has to give you this why not bailiffs.

 

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If you're out there Happy C, like to here your view on the letter on page 1 of the thread.

 

thx

 

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CAG. ban me if you want.

 

Only happens if your posts are offensive, but I think you just get your kicks winding people up.

 

I did find your bailiffs and power of arrest comments on another thread quite funny, it really made me chuckle.

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HCE your remarks about others who have suffered at the hands of your mates reveals that your advice is neither honest nor more importantly accurate.

 

Your haranguing of victims under the guise of giving honest advice insults our intelligence. We aren't interested in the debt collectors opinions as they change nothing for their victims. All your doing is trying to justify your unconscionable behaviour towards the vunerable Why I can only guess.

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They make it up as they go,

 

trolls are here to wind it up in general, and maybe covince themselves they are doing nothing wrong

 

It all comes from their made up “hand book”

Called “ how to extract as much cash as you can “

 

Goes like this or similar

 

Page2

 

 

Hint no 5, if they are hard to get cash from, in a loud and hard voice “ I will arrest you and you will go to prison if you do not pay this now” making sure anyone nearby can hear you

 

Hint no 22. of you are still on the doorstep everything you say should be in a very load and hard voice so the neighbours and others in the house can hear you eg, “you owe £xxx”

 

Hint no 46, if it’s a lone female with children in a stern voice “ if you do not settle this I will inform social service you are an unfit parent and cannot feed and cloth your children”

 

Hint no 47, if no response to 46 say the following “ I am going to arrest you and social services are going to be informed so they take you children into care”

 

And there are a lot more people have come across

 

These come from actual incidents reported by people being harassed on their doorstep / in their homes

 

Of course the TROLLS will say it does not happen, anyone who says any of the above happened are liars.

 

Some of the DCA doorstop collectors seem to have a copy of this handbook and have been seen to use similar tactics

 

 

If you have had any of these things happen to you

 

Write to the MOJ, and the minister herself B. Prentice her contact details are easy to find on the net

 

The press have often highlighted many of these horror stories, and several people have died from heart attacks or committed suicide after DACA and bailiff’s have called.

 

There have been a lot of recent complaint regarding Bailiff’s conduct and the MOJ are looking into it, report any similar happenings to the Minister direct, B. Prentice ( she has her own website also ) the more she get the more chance of better regulation of this shocking industry, it needs laws not a private body regulating then, including the joke crowd SIA

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Going back to the original post and letter from Essex police, I believe they are wrong when they say that HCEO's can charge whatever they want. They can only charge what the regulations say they can charge and this doesn't say they can charge whatever they want. They can only charge what the regulations say they can and Section C doesn't give them carte blanche.

 

I suggest Essex police are written to asked how they came to their conclusion, asking them to cite exactly where it says that HCEOs can charge whatever they like. This is not an area the police understand and if Essex police can learn, then maybe they can spread the word.

 

As said elsewhere, one problem is that debtors get scared by a visit from 'the High Court' and when told that if they don't pay, their house will be emptied, don't want to take the risk of arguing the finer details. If everyone knew what could and couldn't happen, in reality, it would help.....

 

HCEOs who charge ridiculous fees do not benefit debtors, creditors or other HCEOs. Obviously they make a nice profit for themselves but they tarnish the name of HCEOs and the High Court and in taking 'extra' money from debtors, make it likely their financial problems will be made worse.

 

The best solution for everyone would be to have a precise list of charges published that HCEOs can charge, instead of leaving the wooly 'Section C' wording in place. There's lots of talk about this happening but I really can't see why it's difficult!

 

So maybe we should just be telling the government to get on with that!

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Going back to the original post and letter from Essex police, I believe they are wrong when they say that HCEO's can charge whatever they want. They can only charge what the regulations say they can charge and this doesn't say they can charge whatever they want. They can only charge what the regulations say they can and Section C doesn't give them carte blanche.

 

I suggest Essex police are written to asked how they came to their conclusion, asking them to cite exactly where it says that HCEOs can charge whatever they like. This is not an area the police understand and if Essex police can learn, then maybe they can spread the word.

 

As said elsewhere, one problem is that debtors get scared by a visit from 'the High Court' and when told that if they don't pay, their house will be emptied, don't want to take the risk of arguing the finer details. If everyone knew what could and couldn't happen, in reality, it would help.....

 

HCEOs who charge ridiculous fees do not benefit debtors, creditors or other HCEOs. Obviously they make a nice profit for themselves but they tarnish the name of HCEOs and the High Court and in taking 'extra' money from debtors, make it likely their financial problems will be made worse.

 

The best solution for everyone would be to have a precise list of charges published that HCEOs can charge, instead of leaving the wooly 'Section C' wording in place. There's lots of talk about this happening but I really can't see why it's difficult!

 

So maybe we should just be telling the government to get on with that!

 

I think the point the Inspector was making, was that they can charge what theyb want, but they have to hold themselves accountable,

 

Like I have said before, I personaly believe Sherforce do over charge, massively! but this point is quite often missed because other posters would just like to find arguements to bicker about

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