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    • Dear xxxxx   complaint about Logbook Money Limited   The complaint Xxxxxx took out a logbook loan with Logbook Money. Xxxx told us Logbook Money didn’t carry out any affordability checks prior to the loan. Xxx said they have missed information on requesting evidence i.e. payslips and they have conflicting information about a utility bill xxxx provided them.   Xxxxxx told us xxxxx had several large payday loans which all had defaulted including a large guarantor loan to amigo, and Logbook Money should have seen this when carrying out a soft credit checks as told. Xxxxxxxx also told us Logbook Money have applied £884 in charges to an initial loan of £1000.     Details of the agreements (Logbook Loans)   Loan number Start date Capital amount Total repayable Weekly repayment Duration 31 August 2019 £1,000 £2,800.20 £35.90 18months   My understanding is the loan isn’t settled yet. Findings Our approach to considering complaints about unaffordable and irresponsible lending is set out on our website. I’ve had this approach in mind when considering what’s fair and reasonable in the circumstances of this complaint.   Did Logbook Money complete reasonable and proportionate checks to satisfy itself that xxxxxxx would be able to repay the agreement in a sustainable way?   Logbook Money have provided us with the documents they have relied on which includes customer information, income, and outgoings, driving licence, copy of the agreement and bill of sale. They told us they used xxxxxx bank statement to complete the income and expenditure at the time, however due to the lapse of time they don’t hold the statement any longer.   The income and expenditure from the time of sale shows net income was around £2,300, this includes private rent, child tax credit and DWP and her monthly expenditure was £764. This left xxxxx with a disposable income of £1,536 of which she would be expected to make a weekly payment of £35.90.     Considering everything, I think Logbook Money completed reasonable and proportionate checks based on the size of the loan, the interest charged, the monthly repayments and length of the agreement.   Did Logbook Money make a fair lending decision?   As I think Logbook Money carried out a reasonable and proportionate checks, I have gone onto consider whether it made a fair lending decision based on the information it obtained about xxxxxxx circumstances at the time.   Since Logbook Money said they don’t hold the bank statements any longer, I asked xxxxxxx to provide me with the statements. From what I’ve seen, xxxx monthly income across the xxxxx and xxxxxxx account appear to broadly support her income of £2,333 which reflects in the income and expenditure from the time. However, the bank statement I received from xxxxxxx shows outgoings were higher at around £1,344, which indicated a monthly disposal income of around £937 from which xxxxxxx would be expected to make the £35.90 weekly loan repayment. This indicates xxxx still had enough disposable income to be able to sustainably afford the monthly payments towards the agreement.   The screen shot of the credit report xxxxxxxxx sent to me shows Vodaphone, Three and Vanquis account has worsened in August 2019, however this information isn’t enough for me to understand what the credit report reflected at the time -  for e.g. if there were any large balances outstanding, defaults, CCJ’s, accounts in arrears, or missed payments   I asked for further information on 17 November 2021 – a full credit report from the time, including the statement of the account number xxxxxx and statements for all other active account +/-3months the loan start date. Since I haven’t receive the information, I can’t say what this would’ve looked like.   I don’t think there was anything in the information Logbook Money gathered that ought to have highlighted any concerns about xxxxxxx being able to sustainably afford the agreement. I therefore don’t think Logbook Money acted unfairly in approving the finance.   Did business act unfairly in any other way   Xxxxxx told Logbook Money xxxx is unhappy the way the vehicle was repossessed and how the debt was pursued. Logbook Money told us there were two attempts made to repossess the car prior to the actual repossession on 1 August 2021. The first attempt was made on 10 June and the second one was on 5 July 2021, however both attempts were unsuccessful. This would mean xxxxxxx was aware that the vehicle was at risk of repossession. Logbook Money provided us a copy of the default notice that was sent to xxxxxx in December 2020, which outlines the importance of clearing any arrears outstanding and the risk of repossession.   From the information Logbook Money provided us, it shows the vehicle was released to xxxxxxx after xxxxx made a payment.   Regarding the personal belongings xxxxxx said she had in the car at the time the vehicle was repossessed - Logbook Money told us the recovery agent left a message for xxxxxx to contact them to arrange to collect belongings.   In reviewing this case I’ve thought very carefully about the way the business pursued the outstanding debt and considered whether I felt that business fell short of its obligations in responding to xxxxxxx situation.   While I’m sure that this situation may have caused distress and/or inconvenience, I don’t think that this stemmed from Logbook Money making a mistake or acting unfairly or unreasonably. So, I haven’t made any recommendation in relation to this.  Next steps I think this is a fair outcome in the circumstances, for the reasons I’ve explained. But if xxxxxx decides that xxx doesn't accept what I’ve said, then please let me know by 10 December 2021. If I can’t resolve things then an ombudsman here can look at everything again and make a final decision. If I don’t hear from you by that date we might not be able to look at xxxxxxxxx 
    • god this is frustrating for you.   i'll ping @Andyorch p'haps he has an idea, not one of our past history strengths that i can find.   dx  
    • In 2015 I invested £45,200 in a SIPP operated by Guinness Mahon, which is linked to Dolphin, later German Property Group. GPG went into administration to Feb 2020. My SIPP was due to mature in April 2020.   I first took my claim to FSCS. They rejected my claim, I appealed and still got rejected. Their reason was that Wellington CFS signatures were involved in my pension transfer into the SIPP. This was a surprise to me.    I then emailed and called Wellington, several times, eventually receiving an email stating I did not exist in their records.   I then opened a case with FOS. My case has not yet been assigned a case handler.  From what I learned from others caught up in GPG. Wellington are stating their signatures were used fraudulently. Yet there is evidence of them taking fees.    If you want to read more there is a GPG creditors association Facebook site. You will find others on there in the same position. I did write to Wellington CFS and never got a reply.   If you call their Ireland number you get an answer machine. Their office in Devon, does pick up but this is just a receptionist, takes a message and alas no one gets back to you.   I also heard Wellington CFS is linked to Spain. I think the best outcome is that Wellington go into administration, at this point FSCS will be the last resort. 
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Kashie V Barclays - what do I do now????


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Hello,

 

Had this letter from Barclays this morning -

 

Bank Charges Complaint

 

We refer to your complaint relating to bank charges which was previously stayed under the terms of the Finacial Services Authority (FSA) Waiver. We consider your original complaint to have been about a level, and accordingly the fairness or lwafulness, of these charges. The Waiver has now lapsed and we are therefore writing to you to respond to your complaint as we indicated we would do when we made you a goodwill payment to assist you with your financial difficulties.

 

As you will be aware from when we last wrote to you about your original complaint, we (and several other banks) enterd into agreed legal proceedings witht Office of Fair Trading in relation to bank charges on 27 July 2007 in order to determine their legality.

 

Following the Supreme Court decision on 25 November 2009, there is now a final outcome for these legal proceedings which means that the bank charges you have complained about do not amount to penalties at common law and that their level cannot be assessed for fairness under the Unfair Terms Consumer Contract Regulations (UTCCRs). We do not believe that there is any legal basis on which the amount of the charges can be challenged and we are satisfied that the bank charges you seek to reclaim were properly charged. The final outcome of the legal proceedings confirms our position.

 

We are therefore not upholding your complaint and we will not be refunding the bank charges you have complained about.

 

If your complaint relates to an issue other than the level of charges or you wish to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to contact us on the number above. You may also find the following link to our website useful in answering any questions you may have www.barclays.co.uk.

 

Our aim is to resolve all complaints internally, although we recognise this may not always be possible. If we are unable to agree a way forward you may be able to ask the Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS) to review your complaint and we will help you if you would like to do this. Before you decide whether or not to take your complaint to FOS, you may find it helpful to consider the information about this subject on their website FAQs complaints about bank charges.

 

If we do not hear from you within the next 8 weeks I will consider your complaint to be resolved and accordingly I will close our file.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Neil Henderson

Retail Banking Customer Relations Director

 

 

 

 

 

Ok so this is the letter -- what do I do now - I have no intention of letting this go yet as there is supposedly still hope of reclaiming.

 

Are there any template letter that I can use to reply???

And is there any hope of getting my money back.

 

I must add that I did get part settlement for financial difficulties back in May of this year.

 

Any help greatly appreciated - Thanks

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Hi Kashie (and others).

 

The Site is working on the best way to push bank charge claims forward and you should watch for Site announcements concerning this.

 

See here - The Consumer Forums - Announcements in Forum : Barclaycard

 

You need not respond just now to Barclays, but watch the 8 week deadline.

 

If you start to get too close to it and the new documents (POC, letters, etc) are not yet ready, then you can send the bank a simple holding letter confirming that, despite the OFT test case result, you consider the banks charges to be unfair and challengeable, and will write to them further shortly.

 

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The announcements have been removed as they are regularly updated.

 

See here for discussion about the consequences of the OFT test case ruling - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/oft-test-case-updates/139905-h-o-l-test.html

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Hi Kashie,

 

I'm afraid the mass reclaiming of bank charges using site templates, etc is no longer viable.

 

See here for Bankfodder's comments on another thread - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclays-bank/246382-new-template-claiming.html

 

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