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    • OK, I will do now.   I did look to black out certain things, but I was not sure what I should and should not redact and there was nothing on there that was personal enough for me to be concerned with being made public. So I am happy for all to view, but if you are kind enough to redact what is needed as per the forum rules, that would be amazing.     I was planning on collecting up other court cases they have lost, to refer to as part of my evidence, I'm not sure if this is worth doing or could just confuse matters?   But there seem to be many where the judge has ruled against them because of confusing and not clearly displayed signage, trespass, as well as their charge being £100, which is more than the Bevis case said was reasonable.    A quick search found this article as one example KBT cornwall lose case article.pdf   Lastly, I will go to the site to get updated images, but from google earth, you can see from the pictures the entrance states it is for the hotel parking, which I follwed instructions and gave my details to the hotel. Where I think my car was parked (it was that long ago I'm not exactly sure) there are signs on the opposite wall, but it was 12.30am, pitch black and they could not be seen.           Claimants_WS.pdf
    • yes but have the landowner paid this years contract fee. no evidence they have in the ws. pop it back up now if you wish. the forum is quiet i'll redact it for you so we have the info.   dx  
    • Thank you all so much for taking the time to comment and help, I really do appreciate it.   Just to elaborate a bit more on the background, just because my lack of knowledge of the process might mean I've actually done things along the way that I did not know what they were and so hadn't mention it.    When they decided to go to court, I was offered mediation, which I took. I offered to pay the reduced rate, just to make it go away, but insisted it was not an admission of guilt, it was a goodwill gesture to save us all the effort of court. They refused and wanted £250.    A court date was set, but in Leeds, then a couple weeks later I received another letter saying it had been moved to London.   I was not aware I had any say in which court it would be held at, but I now understand i have good reason to request it is moved to a local one to me, which is also local to the offending place, I will call the court tomorrow and explain that. But so far I have only been told what is happening, I've not been given the choice for anything.   They seem to be going down the route of a contract breach, not trespass which is interesting. There is a document in the evidence which has the agreement between themselves which I assumed meant they can pursue me.    I am going to visit the site again shortly, at midnight the time of the offence and take pictures to build a case file of the route I took to enter the car park, how it is in the hotel grounds and no signs can be seen.    Am I right in saying, the fact they do not actually have any pictures of my car in the location they say it was in, just because all of the pictures they have were at 12/30am and it was pitch black, I am going to say my car was parked correctly in the hotel side, not on their land and it is then up to them to prove otherwise, which they are not able to do, because the burden of proof lies with the claimant I think?
    • did you move during the duration of this agreement.   dx  
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I sent out my Christmas cards and one of the recipients has been charged for it being too large for the postage. I checked before sending them and according to the RM website the measurements for ordinary letter size are

Length:

240mm max

Width:

165mm max

Thickness:

5mm max

Weight:

100g max

 

My friend was told it was 2cm too big whereas the envelopes are exactly 165mm square. Have I read it wrong or is her sorting office trying it on?

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...and the thickness was under 5mm?

 

The SO will have the plastic letter guide, so if it goes through the correct slot, no additional payment is required,.

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Under 5mm thick and well within weight - as I read it on the website. How can 165mm square be 2cm too big?

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It's up to the individual postman to decide. If it is a jobsworth temp worker they may be trying to impress, so a challenge is better dealt with at the SO, even though it'll be a pain, you'll get the satisfaction of not being ripped off!

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I feel I may have one of these as well...........

 

I got home from work today and there was a card from RM on the mat telling me there was a piece of mail that has been under paid waiting for me to go and collect - at a fee of £1:08.

 

If it turns out to be a similar situation, can I try putting the item through their size guide and then refuse to pay if it shows not to be oversize?

 

I will report back when I have been to the SO in the morning,

 

Feebee_71

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It wouldn't be so bad if I'd got one. I've sent them! I feel dreadful and it's not as if I didn't check before sending them - if I read the info right which is why I asked on here. My friend had to go to the SO and pay. They didn't put it through any size guide to show her and she didn't get any receipt for the money she paid.

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You can certainly ASK for the size guide to be used in front of you. As for a receipt, the envelope - with the 'To Pay' stamp is sufficient.

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It comes as a bit of a shock to most people so they just pay up and don't keep the envelope. I'm in the dreadful position of not knowing how many people on our Christmas card list may be affected by this as most will probably be too polite (or angry) to say anything.

 

My husband has just let me know that two of the cards were sent recorded because there were cheques in them for nephews. What would be the situation if it had gone through the counter at our end but the other end tried to charge extra?

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How many of us have had to pay the surcharge only to discover it is junk mail. I now insist of seeing it before I pay.

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Some observationd;

(1) It is a waste of money - for postage - sneding cheques by Recorded Delivery. There is no enhanced levels of compensation, and in any case cheques - because they can be canceeled - are deemed to have no value, If the only reason to use RD was to make the cards stand out, then at least that would be achieved.

(2) If you are told to colect because there is a fee due, you can still insist on them proving it (cannot do this after you have accepted and paid).

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So, my item WAS a christmas card!!!

 

The problem was not that there was insufficient postage on the card for the size but because the person sending it to me had used a stamp from a pack which didn't have a price on it but said 1st on it!!!

 

There was no sticker on the envelope, the stamp had been scribbled across only. The only place that the fee I paid (£1:08) was mentioned was on the card posted through the letterbox and which was handed in to the SO to obtain the card.

 

Now, this card is from a close friend who has said they will give me back the money next time we get together - not that I am bothered by the amount, it's not as if it was difficult to find the pennies to pay it - but how many other people realise this can happen - can it or should it?

 

Feebee_71

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This was ALWAYS going to happen, based on the slovenylu way RM management decided to 'simply' stamps - opening the door to confusion to customers, and legitimate concerns.

 

In the beginning there was a recognised cost for using the post, then complicated with the introduction of 1st and 2nd Class mail. This meant two different prices depending on the speed of the service required, but if you only paid the lower rate, then it went 2nd Class.

 

Spin forward, and the intoduction of staps proclaiming '1st' and '2nd', usually within books of stamps. To the unitinitated, this meant sticking these on a letter meant it would go by this rate, BUT the small print on the booklet told a different tale - these stamps could ONLY be used if the letter wighed less than 60g. Of course, this was not on the stamp, but on the booklet the stamp was contained within.

 

Spin forward again, and we now have something else to add to the mix. the weight is no longer the sole arbiter of cost, but the SIZE as well. So it was now no longer sifficient to say that the weight should not be exceeded, but a fixed size and thickness. So - RM had to introduce additional stamp ranges, the original type (as before) and a second range for 'Large' items - with LARGE helpfully printed on the STAMP.

 

Madness, absolute madness.

 

The upside? Only one. When the 1st/2nd stamps were introduced, it allowed them to be used for the declared services irrespective of any price rise, as those showing a monetary value required additional 1p/2p stamps to make up the new value.

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It is a waste of money - for postage - sneding cheques by Recorded Delivery

 

It wasn't an issue of compensation Buzby or any worries about sending cheques through the post. Thank you letters are a thing of the past and we did want to know they had arrived. They have and there was no issue with any extra being asked for even though they were in identical cards to the one that caused the problem.

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