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Hi everyone

 

I might have mis-understood something here - but from what I've gleaned from these threads is that without an actual Court order Rossendales have ZERO power to collect ANYTHING AT ALL if you refuse either to let them in or deal with them in any way whatsoever.

 

In any case if the Bailiff can't get in for 90 days whatever the circumstances doesn't the "Nullo Bono" qualification apply wherby the debt must be sent back to the body that hired the bailiff's in the first place.

 

Please note - you DO eventually have to pay council tax or get it paid via benefits etc so the Council Tax problem will still remain until some arrangement is in force.

 

Is there some template we can use to do the following

 

1) Quote "Chapter and verse" the legal situation of Rossendales being able to collect council tax -- IMO without proper legal authority if they turn up they can be considered as "trespassers" on your property and you have a reasonable right in any case to "Repel Borders" and certainly the right to refuse to deal with them at all.

 

2) Quote said authority back to the local councils --saying you are prepared to deal with arrears but are NOT prepared to deal with Rossendales under ANY circumstances without a valid court order.

 

3) Publish as much as possible on the web the limitation of what Bailiff's can actually do - they AFAIK only get their money by intimidation, lying and bullying tactics. If Rossendales start failing to collect fees from unpaid council tax they will go out of business -- and GOOD RIDDANCE.

 

Love to get a website up and running just dealing with Rossendales.

 

I hate these people EVEN MORE than DCA's who are also the **** of the earth - but at least the situation with DCA's are a bit more clear cut.

 

Bailiff's just prey on the unfortunate when it comes to things like Council tax and Councils should be ASHAMED from using them.

 

Finally - to the "Legal Eagles" on this extremely helpful Forum

 

If Rossendales are making demands for money without legal authority to do so is there any chance of an "Extortion" charge being levied against them or at the very least a "Harrassment" charge.

 

Hopefully to all caggers year 2010 ROSSENDALE's R.I.P.

 

I Hate that firm with a vengeance.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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Love to get a website up and running just dealing with Rossendales.

 

I hate these people EVEN MORE than DCA's who are also the **** of the earth -

 

Before you start a website, you need to understand the remification of the Defamation Act 1996, and there the case of Godfrey vs Demon Internet Ltd.

 

It can only be hosted in the American State of California, currently the only place where a webmaster and his webhosting provider is immune from civil proceedings for defamatory or libellous content published on a website.

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Jimbo, I thouroughly agree with your post, I have had 24hrs now to think over my dealings with another of these companies, Marstons, and the lies and legal rubbish their bailiff spouted to me yesterday.

Whilst none of us intended to avoid our lawful debts there are many reasons why some of us find ourselves in dificulty.

I fail to understand that when someone makes a reasonable offer of payment, the council then employs these people at our cost to collect debts at excessive rates.

 

I to feel it is time for someone more learned that I on this wonderful sute to prepare a standard reply based on the law and not bullying tactics.

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Before you start a website, you need to understand the remification of the Defamation Act 1996, and there the case of Godfrey vs Demon Internet Ltd.

 

It can only be hosted in the American State of California, currently the only place where a webmaster and his webhosting provider is immune from civil proceedings for defamatory or libellous content published on a website.

 

Hi there

The site would be based on ACTUAL letters etc that they themselves have written, Youtube recordings where possible of harassing and threatening action and sound legal advice.

 

I have a few colleagues in such diverse parts as Albania - The City of Tirana is quite greatful for anybody - especially foreigners doing business - and I can't see a UK body being able to shut down an Albanian website.

 

The powers of the Internet.

 

BTW Rossendales are threatening me with a 100GBP charge if they turn up with a Van

 

I told them in no uncertain terms (by letter) to EAT S--T AND DIE and couldn't care if they came back with a Pantechnicon (A HUGE Lorry / Trailer Vehicle) as they are only allowed to charge 24 GBP or so for a Visit - if they can get in in any case. I'm waiting also to hear back from the council as I've sent them 30% of the arrears.

 

They even said they had tried previous visits -- LIE as I've been off work for the last 2 months and in any case I was applying for Council Tax benefit (rejected - but then before Bailiff's surely the council need to send what I owe - think it's around 550 GBP).

 

I'm NOT PAYING ROSSENDALES A PENNY and I don't think that without a court order they can do anything about it either.

 

I've also getting a spread in the local paper about waste of taxpayers money --should be good just before elections are due.

 

I've had enough at being trodden on by Banks, Finance companies, Council Jobsworths etc etc.

 

They bend over backwards when you are "in clover" but are the first to tread on you when things sometimes through no fault of your own) start going wrong.

 

Most Caggers aren't feckless spendthrifts - we've usually got into debt because on the whole unavoidable circumstances have changed our situations such as redundancy - jobs being moved to India etc etc.

 

What I think irritates us even more is how excessive charges often on trivial amounts of debt (I had another post where Yorkshire water took me to County court for 80 GBP can you believe -- with 85 GBP costs) hurt people who often are in serious trouble far more than most while the Banks have been enjoying unvelievable subsidies from the taxpayers and are STILL paying out HUGE bonuses.

 

Anyway "The Natives are getting restless" and I'm going all the way with Rossendales at whatever cost.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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"I have a few colleagues in such diverse parts as Albania - The City of Tirana is quite greatful for anybody - especially foreigners doing business - and I can't see a UK body being able to shut down an Albanian website.

 

BEFORE you do anything you have be sure of the legal ramifications. This is essential in order to protect yourself.

 

"they are only allowed to charge 24 GBP or so for a Visit - if they can get in in any case."

 

In fact it's £24.50 for the first visit and £18 if a second visit takes place.

 

"I'm NOT PAYING ROSSENDALES A PENNY and I don't think that without a court order they can do anything about it either."

 

The council will already have taken your case to court. That is why they have hired the bailiffs. However, there is no law to say that you have to pay the bailiffs. You are perfectly entitled to pay the council instead and to tell the bailiff to sling their hook.

 

"I've also getting a spread in the local paper about waste of taxpayers money --should be good just before elections are due."

 

That's a good idea. Why not go the whole hog and contact your local radio and TV stations if you think you have a strong enough story for them to broadcast?

 

 

"Anyway "The Natives are getting restless" and I'm going all the way with Rossendales at whatever cost."

 

I wish you luck, but do make sure that you've done your research first and that that you are legally covered.

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Youtube recordings where possible of harassing and threatening action

 

Start your collection with this hapless Rossendale bailiff.

 

I have a few colleagues in such diverse parts as Albania - The City of Tirana is quite greatful for anybody - especially foreigners doing business - and I can't see a UK body being able to shut down an Albanian website.

 

Rossendales arent the sort to hire MI6 agents to track down servers in Tirana and cut wires on the side of their buildings. Just use a host in California, Globat com, cheap fast and use it for anything you like provided you dont undermine national security or use it for organised crime.

 

BTW Rossendales are threatening me with a 100GBP charge if they turn up with a Van

 

The law doesnt provide for it, and you have no legal obigation to pay £100. its £24.50 but I dont think the legislation decides what mode of transport the bailiff must use when making that visit.

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jimbo wish we read this before we had all our dealings with the ****!!!!!!!! the cheeky buggers even turned up at hospital while my wife was in labour this was buy one called matthew fanshawe. and now we are playing with stepen curnow which is a complete arigent t@$t.

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would help in any way to shut these down. from what im getting and understanding is they are a waste of time. and we are thinking about dragging them through the papers and may be to radio

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Can you please be aware that the "court order" that the bailiff has that enables him to enforce unapid council tax is a "Liability Order" and this would have been issued to the bailiff company by the Magistrates Court on the request of your local council.

 

You should have received notification from the council of the date of a hearing at the Magistartes Court.

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Hi there

1) This does IN NO WAY empower a Bailiff to forceably enter your home or make excessive charges not prescribed by Law including it seems the "ever present £110 Van Fees".

 

Enforcement procedures STILL at least for the moment have to comply with strict legal protocol in the manner of collection methods.

 

2) You (at present) do NOT have to even SPEAK to the Bailiff and certainly you don't have to pay THEM anything. -- a COUNCIL MUST eventually take back the Council tax - and even failing that you could offer to lodge some money with the Court.

 

3) A properly constituted Court Enforcement order needs to be issued before any "Forced seisure" of property etc etc occurs. Just because Body A has got a court order that Body B owes money doesn't mean that Body A can send the dogs round to collect and use any methods they like to ensure collection.

 

For Parking, Income / VAT tax then the Bailiff does have a right - currently Council Tax is still a Civil debt and has to go through due process--

 

however Councils often try and "short circuit" the process by sending round the Bailiff's without really understanding what they are actually doing or hoping to scare their "hapless Victims" into submission.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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We definitely need to do something about this company "Rossendales", I doubt the councils employing them are even aware of what decidedly dodgy and underhand methods they use. It is a total waste of resources to employ these "people". As someone else said here, Jimbo I think, they are preying on people who are in dire circumstances, financially and to place this added pressure is disgusting. What is this? Feudal Britain!

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