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You may well have a case for wrongful detention. You should certainly not pay , or respond to, any letter you subsequently receive from RLP.

 

For further advice and information, please send a pm to Joncris. Whilst we normally ask for all advice to be given in open forum, there is a good reason for some retailer/RLP issues to be handled in this way.

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Please don't worry - RLP and the like seek to exploit the emotions and vulnerability generated by these situations - but they don't know what shock and awe really means...

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Hello. I don't know the ins and outs here and I am just butting in but I used to be retail security and now I'm an SIA Trainer so I may know a couple of useful things??

 

If you did steal or even mistakenly walked out with the items without paying.... it makes no difference to the guards. If it was a genuine mistake, you were still committing theft in their eyes and while you may be telling the truth about your forgetfullness... they cant decide that. When I worked in retail, I arrested 15 people plus a day... if I listened to all their excuses, I'd have let them all off and lost my job. So please bear this in mind if that's the case. (sounds harsh but i really am trying to help.)

 

If you have a medical reason for your transgression, explain this to the RLP and they generally listen, as I said, dont plead with the security guard or store as you are guilty to them, even if it was a genuine mistake. (I've repeated this because it's unfortunately true.)

 

If however, it was wrongful detention (as in you were detained in a small room etc), you broke no laws and had no stolen items on your person at the time of arrest then you can sue the guard for wrongful detention. Again, I will stress that you will be suing the guard, not the shop, as his company and his place of work would most likely sack them rather than be dragged up into the charges. So think about this as you may be inadvertantly wrecking someones livelihood. (although if they are a rubbish guard who cant do thier job properly, i'd rather you did this as I train them the correct way and there are too many still thinking they are police.)

 

Finally, if they mentioned they have caught anything on CCTV, write a letter to the store manager (but call them the Data Controller in your letter) and ask to see footage of you... do it quickly at footage is not kept for more than a month - and within a certain time frame (which I cant remember off the top of my head) they MUST allow you to see the footage. Everyone has this right but few know it - if you are in a public place and not private land, you can ask to see footage of yourself - even footage of you walking down the street if you so choose. Do this.

 

They will then have to amend the footage so it conforms to Data Protection but otherwise they will eventually have to show it you. I'd also send it recorded delivery so you have evidence you sent the letter.

 

Anyway, I'm grasping at straws because I dont know what went on so feel free to message if you need.

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Hello. I don't know the ins and outs here and I am just butting in but I used to be retail security and now I'm an SIA Trainer so I may know a couple of useful things??

 

If you did steal or even mistakenly walked out with the items without paying.... it makes no difference to the guards. If it was a genuine mistake, you were still committing theft in their eyes and while you may be telling the truth about your forgetfullness... they cant decide that. When I worked in retail, I arrested 15 people plus a day... if I listened to all their excuses, I'd have let them all off and lost my job. So please bear this in mind if that's the case. (sounds harsh but i really am trying to help.)

 

If you have a medical reason for your transgression, explain this to the RLP and they generally listen, REALLY as I said, dont plead with the security guard or store as you are guilty to them, even if it was a genuine mistake. (I've repeated this because it's unfortunately true.)

 

If however, it was wrongful detention (as in you were detained in a small room etc), you broke no laws and had no stolen items on your person at the time of arrest then you can sue the guard for wrongful detention. Again, I will stress that you will be suing the guard, not the shop, as his company and his place of work would most likely sack them rather than be dragged up into the charges. Nonsense you sue the the security company AND their employer the retailer including RLP What you don't do is sue individuals........ unless they are acting outside their employment So think about this as you may be inadvertantly wrecking someones livelihood. I doubt the OP cares I know I don't (although if they are a rubbish guard who cant do thier job properly, i'd rather you did this as I train them the correct way and there are too many still thinking they are police.)

 

Finally, if they mentioned they have caught anything on CCTV, write a letter to the store manager (but call them the Data Controller in your letter) and ask to see footage of you... do it quickly at footage is not kept for more than a month - and within a certain time frame (which I cant remember off the top of my head) they MUST allow you to see the footage. Everyone has this right but few know it - if you are in a public place and not private land, you can ask to see footage of yourself - even footage of you walking down the street if you so choose. Do this.

 

They will then have to amend amend the footage? don't you mean edit it to conceal their unlawful or even illegal actions the footage so it conforms to Data Protection what does that mean but otherwise they will eventually have to show it you. To right AND unedited I'd also send it recorded delivery so you have evidence you sent the letter.

 

Anyway, I'm grasping at straws because I dont know what went on so feel free to message if you need.

 

 

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Hello. I don't know the ins and outs here and I am just butting in but I used to be retail security and now I'm an SIA Trainer so I may know a couple of useful things??

 

If you did steal or even mistakenly walked out with the items without paying.... it makes no difference to the guards. If it was a genuine mistake, you were still committing theft in their eyes and while you may be telling the truth about your forgetfullness... they cant decide that. When I worked in retail, I arrested 15 people plus a day... if I listened to all their excuses, I'd have let them all off and lost my job. So please bear this in mind if that's the case. (sounds harsh but i really am trying to help.)

 

If you have a medical reason for your transgression, explain this to the RLP and they generally listen, as I said, dont plead with the security guard or store as you are guilty to them, even if it was a genuine mistake. (I've repeated this because it's unfortunately true.)

 

If however, it was wrongful detention (as in you were detained in a small room etc), you broke no laws and had no stolen items on your person at the time of arrest then you can sue the guard for wrongful detention. Again, I will stress that you will be suing the guard, not the shop, as his company and his place of work would most likely sack them rather than be dragged up into the charges. So think about this as you may be inadvertantly wrecking someones livelihood. (although if they are a rubbish guard who cant do thier job properly, i'd rather you did this as I train them the correct way and there are too many still thinking they are police.)

 

Finally, if they mentioned they have caught anything on CCTV, write a letter to the store manager (but call them the Data Controller in your letter) and ask to see footage of you... do it quickly at footage is not kept for more than a month - and within a certain time frame (which I cant remember off the top of my head) they MUST allow you to see the footage. Everyone has this right but few know it - if you are in a public place and not private land, you can ask to see footage of yourself - even footage of you walking down the street if you so choose. Do this.

 

They will then have to amend the footage so it conforms to Data Protection but otherwise they will eventually have to show it you. I'd also send it recorded delivery so you have evidence you sent the letter.

 

Anyway, I'm grasping at straws because I dont know what went on so feel free to message if you need.

 

Talk about the blind leading the blind:rolleyes:

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emmarev before giving advice you need to study Civil Law , your comments are far from the Law of the land

 

so who trained you ,

 

as said above talk about the blind leading the blind


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Now we know why security guards think their actions are lawful. Perhaps we should be targeting the trainers & not their trainees/victims

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Emmarev you are not a security trainer,they are thick,but not that thick.....

and no security person arrests 15 people day,yet in another post you say you have 200 arrests a year-thats not adding up..If you were good at your job you would not feel the need to brag with numbers,its always a giveaway..

 

You say it makes no difference to the guards if someone mistakenly walks out with something,that this is still theft!

 

No its not theft if it was accidental.You are worrying me..

 

The sia course is a joke I believe,something that could be passed by barely trained monkeys.

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Don't be too hard on him, this is the less well known section of the theft act which makes it an offence to accidentally take property without the intention of depriving the owner of it. :rolleyes:


Post by me are intended as a discussion of the issues involved, as these are of general interest to me and others on the forum. Although it is hoped such discussion will be of use to readers, before exposing yourself to risk of loss you should not rely on any principles discussed without confirming the situation with a qualified person.

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Ha.I have also heard a number of people "accidentally" get an sia licence-now THAT is a crime,as the govt is usually footing the £500 quid a time bill!

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Quote Emmarev "If you did steal or even mistakenly walked out with the items without paying.... it makes no difference to the guards. If it was a genuine mistake, you were still committing theft in their eyes and while you may be telling the truth about your forgetfullness... they cant decide that. When I worked in retail, I arrested 15 people plus a day... if I listened to all their excuses, I'd have let them all off and lost my job. So please bear this in mind if that's the case. (sounds harsh but i really am trying to help.)"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last week my daughter took £10 from my handbag while I was out.

 

When I asked her about it,although she claimed she borrowed it to get a taxi to work after her car wouldn't start (true) and that she would have mentioned it when she got home,I just knew that it was my Civic Duty to call the Police.

 

I thought it was not my place to make that kind of descision,as to whether she was telling the truth or not,but that I would let THEM decide if it WAS theft,or not. Thank goodness for procedure :rolleyes:You see it was written down somewhere and I always blindly follow rules without question.You see if I "listened" to her "excuses" what kind of a person would I be?

 

Emmarev,all you seem to be bothered about is YOU and yours losing their jobs,not about the dubious nature of your actions and the effect on someone of them being unjustly accused.Arrest is a very very serious matter and never one to be taken lightly,it is not a game.

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is emmarev still here:rolleyes:

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Don't know.Has he/she been accused of being an rlp spy yet?:rolleyes:

By those "In the know?"

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It's accepted that not eveyone who posts utter tripe supporting CR is an RLP spy ...... some are just stupid

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It's accepted that not eveyone who posts utter tripe supporting CR is an RLP spy ...... some are just stupid

 

 

I'm sure some even are licenced morons, having been trained by the Stupidity Industry Authority.

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