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Hello, I would like to know if anyone can advise me. I really don't know what to do.

 

On 23rd September, I had a medical assesment with ATOS, this wasn't my first, and so I was dreading it.

 

I've suffered with depression and anxiety for the last 4 years, and find it very difficult to get out, and socialise, so you can understand why it was difficult attending the interview, let alone regular social events.

 

Anyway, I've had medicals with ATOS before, but every time I get the results back, I lose my benefit saying I didn't score enough points. Out of the 15 points needed, I usually get about 10.

 

However, I assure you, how I answer the questions, and how they are marked on the answer sheet are two completely seperate things. I appealed twice before about this, and both times was found in favor of ATOS Healthcare. I'm lying, apparently.

 

However, I got the results today for my medical on 23rd september, and my results were byond a joke. I scored NOTHING, out of 15... ZERO...

 

My arguement is this... if I was a benefit fraudster, and was trying to convince them I was ill, when infact I wasn't... why would I answer questions, saying there was nothing wrong with me, like the Doctor has marked down.

 

The DWP said I can appeal, which I dont see any point in doing, as it's there word against mine, I can get a crises loan, which is pointless, as I wont be able to pay it back, or go on Jobseekers allowence, which I dont want to do, as I dont feel able to attend the interviews, let alone find a job.

 

I feel like i'm fighting an impossible battle here. I don't know what to do... i have no money coming in.

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Hello,

 

Sorry to hear about your trouble with ATOS. I had exactly the same problem with them and having my money stopped.

 

I have nerve problems in my arms/legs and arthritis in my back and knee's and a tendon problem with my right hand yet I didn't get a single point myself.

 

First thing to do is call up ESA and ask for the forms for an appeal. Remember you only have a month to ask for it. Also ask for a copy of the report the doctor gave to DWP to see exactly what they put.

 

When I got mine I was not so mildly surprised at the lies that were on the report by the doctor. Which is another thing you could add to the appeal form. On mine it says I can kneel and squat fine which I can't and there were questions answered that he never asked me. I mentioned this on my appeal form so they could see what a liar the "doctor" was and why I disagreed with the decision.

 

I don't know if you can do what I did and that is to attach letters/reports from your doctor to the appeal form when you do get it.

 

Don't let them beat you.

 

While appealing the decision you should get some money off of ESA.

 

I hope that helps some. If not sorry about wasting your time.

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my several posts and comments on here tell my tale of atos, i was found unfit on my first 2 tests and miraculously fit on the 3rd, i think at this point in time its all about getting long term or longish term claimants off IB, saving money etc, as advised above all you can do is appeal, fight this, and get some benefit while doing so, if ESA is better then go for that, i asked for my income support element of my benefit to be reopened and get the reduced amount of IS while in appeal awaiting tribunal hearing, good luck, and please let us know how you get on.

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Hi PB, you'll certainly find a lot of help and support here!

I wonder why you failed your last two appeals? Perhaps you were underprepared? Maybe you didn't have an advocate with you? Either way, no reason not to appeal again.

Do return the appeal form promptly, don't worry if you can't send all your evidence off immediately - your appeal will be many months away - the tribunal service just needs to know what you want to do.

Then concentrate on finding as much supportive evidence as possible. Whilst the DWP decision makers can selfishly disregard professional medical opinion, the tribunal will want to see it. Ask your GP if he/she will write in your support. Do you see any other healthcare professionals? If so, do likewise. Even statements from people you know would not go unnoted. It all helps to paint a picture of what you're really like.

And do get professional assistance from a welfare rights organisation or CAB.

Good luck.

Rae

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I suffer from chronic back and right leg pain and have developed agoraphobia. After many phone calls and two aborted medicals because of panic/anxiety attacks just before going I got my GP to write to them asking for a home visit which in the end they agreed to. I saw a Dr with my son present in my house. I was about to appeal his report as he had mentioned nothing about my mental condition and was put on the work activity group I got another phone call to say that a Dr would be doing a second visit to see if I qualified for the support group. Guess what the same Dr turned up! I really emphasised my emotional state and I await to hear the result!

I know it`s a bit late for you now but good luck and don`t give up.Good luck.


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hi there, dont give up on this,i know how you feel,but the support of people on here is great,dont let them grind you down

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Hello PB. I'm so sorry to hear about your problems.

 

I appealed against my ATOS medical report and won, but not until we went to a tribunal to appeal against the DWP decision. They had stopped my benefit [incapacity] and like you, we also thought it was in an effort to get people off sickness benefits.

 

My husband was at the medical and so was able to endorse what I said about the meeting with the doctor. We asked for a copy of my assessment and then found the part of the DWP website that shows how they allocate the points. If you can't find it, please let me know and I will have a look and send a link.

 

We wrote a letter saying why we disagreed with the answers the doctor gave, which went to the tribunal. It was a pretty short meeting with the doctor, and a lot of time was taken filling in answers on the computer that presumably enables the assessment. We tried to keep our comments to the tribunal factual and look at the doctor's answers the same way the DWP system does. There were some inaccurate details about me on their form and the doctor even contradicted himself at one point.

 

If you don't already, I really encourage you to have someone with you at any meetings concerning this; it's moral support for you and also a witness to what goes on, should you ever need one. I could never have done all this without my husband and he was present every time.

 

I'm rooting for you, don't give up.


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hi honeybee, i am still waiting my tribunal hearing date, am a bit worried as have read comments people have made about being aware of the procedures as its so very important, i dont have a clue what this means lol i had nobody with me at the atos test, and the answers i gave were not put down, i have since got letters from specialists in mental health to back my version of it all, the tribunal have all my evidence, am just wondering what procedures i should know about before i attend?

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Hi Ruby. I posted on cbbc's 'I have tribunal date-help!' thread yesterday. If that doesn't help, please re-post.

 

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Hello, I would like to know if anyone can advise me. I really don't know what to do.

 

On 23rd September, I had a medical assesment with ATOS, this wasn't my first, and so I was dreading it.

 

I've suffered with depression and anxiety for the last 4 years, and find it very difficult to get out, and socialise, so you can understand why it was difficult attending the interview, let alone regular social events.

 

Anyway, I've had medicals with ATOS before, but every time I get the results back, I lose my benefit saying I didn't score enough points. Out of the 15 points needed, I usually get about 10.

 

However, I assure you, how I answer the questions, and how they are marked on the answer sheet are two completely seperate things. I appealed twice before about this, and both times was found in favor of ATOS Healthcare. I'm lying, apparently.

 

However, I got the results today for my medical on 23rd september, and my results were byond a joke. I scored NOTHING, out of 15... ZERO...

 

My arguement is this... if I was a benefit fraudster, and was trying to convince them I was ill, when infact I wasn't... why would I answer questions, saying there was nothing wrong with me, like the Doctor has marked down.

 

The DWP said I can appeal, which I dont see any point in doing, as it's there word against mine, I can get a crises loan, which is pointless, as I wont be able to pay it back, or go on Jobseekers allowence, which I dont want to do, as I dont feel able to attend the interviews, let alone find a job.

 

I feel like i'm fighting an impossible battle here. I don't know what to do... i have no money coming in.

Hi Paul

Sorry to hear about your plight with barbarian dwp and atos. I too have had to go through the same and understand how it does make you worse. I would advise for any future medicals you always take someone with you so they can be witness and support for you. Apply for your appeal, it will take about 9 months but in meantime they will continue to pay you at the basic assessment rate. Get all the medical evidence together you have and also contact welfare rights if you have one in your area they will help. They helped me and got mine overturned. Good luck with your appeal and keep us posted you will get lots of support on here.

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Do not give up, keep fighting !!

 

I have a friend who is housebound due to a medical condition.

 

ATOS scored him ZERO.

 

His GP went absolutely mental !! Of course he has appealed but been told about 9 months before a hearing but meanwhile will still get the lowest rate until the appeal is heard.

 

It is unbelievable that this lot are allowed to get away with this !

 

I hope everyone keeps flighting for their entitlements !

 

good luck.

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Absolutely, keep fighting. We're with you all the way. Use the waiting time to gather evidence and structure your case.

 

HB x


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I too have had a good experience claiming ESA © was awarded it straight away and put into support group. I too was worried but if you are a genuine case you honestly have nothing to worry about. x

 

Just noted this posting on another website. Someone has figured out where we have all been going wrong! None of us is a genuine case - we are all scoundrells, vagabonds and thieves!!!

 

So the system does work - but only for those that are genuinely ill and incapable of working. They got the legislation right after all!!!!!!

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I too have had a good experience claiming ESA © was awarded it straight away and put into support group. I too was worried but if you are a genuine case you honestly have nothing to worry about. x

 

Just noted this posting on another website. Someone has figured out where we have all been going wrong! None of us is a genuine case - we are all scoundrells, vagabonds and thieves!!!

 

So the system does work - but only for those that are genuinely ill and incapable of working. They got the legislation right after all!!!!!!

Have you forgotten to include a link somewhere in your post?

Just noted this posting on another website. Someone has figured out where we have all been going wrong! None of us is a genuine case - we are all scoundrells, vagabonds and thieves!!!

I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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Which site refers to the sick as scoundrels and vagabonds, AndyandFlo? I think I may have to pay it a visit.

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Brighton Benefit Campaign’s blog on ESA has laid out the nasty facts about ATOS in a most erudite manner. I strongly recommend that everyone should read it:

Employment and Support Allowance: a new harsher test Brighton Benefits Campaign


I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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Thanks loan ranger thats a pretty good link - I've read about 50% and will pick it up tomorrow.

I'm sure I'll be subject to another ATOSH 'medical' in due course. I'm thinking do I need to submit myself to a fake computerised 'medical'? Is there an alternative? What if there is a power failure, is there a paper back-up?

More interestingly, what would happen if I pulled all the plugs from the PC and said 'Let's do this the old fashioned way?'

Very very tempting ... [after all, I'm going to score null points anyway...]

Best wishes

Rae

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I'm still on IB and get a bit extra in the form of the age allowance. Under ESA the age allowance has been scrapped meaning that even if I can get into the support group I will still end up with a few quid less than I'm getting now. When David Freud announced his intentions for ESA (in October 2007) he said that no genuine claimants would find themselves financially worse off and that the support group would be financially better off - another lie which some gullible charities were naive enough to believe and act as Freud's cheerleaders.

When my time comes for the move to ESA I'm gonna make them examine me at home so that I can sneakily record the fiasco medical. My argument for a home medical will be that the stress of the ESA process is causing psychosis.

Nice to hear from you again Rae, best regards,

Paul.

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I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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Hi LR. That is a good website, isn't it. But LiMA is even worse than I thought. And as for the work 'logic'......

 

HB x


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