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    • I can only speak from personal experience. But a similar thing happened to me. Seriously dented door.  I made the other insurance pay. They regarded it as a write off. Took the money, replaced the door. Never heard anything more about it.    Except clearly someone sold my details to claims company, because I got loads of calls in bad English for a few month's 
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    • Thank you dx. I consider myself well and truly told :) x Thank you dx. I consider myself well and truly told :) x
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Although not precedent it would be most helpful to other Caggers if your case could be cited as part of their skeleton as it may just be enough to sway an undecided judge

 

& with that in mind will you post the judgement asking other victims to contact you for the full case citation

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Although not precedent it would be most helpful to other Caggers if your case could be cited as part of their skeleton as it may just be enough to sway an undecided judge

 

& with that in mind will you post the judgement asking other victims to contact you for the full case citation

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although it would only be persuasive- it would be useful!!

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Morning MandM

 

Fantastic News and a well deserved result :D:D

 

It's hard work and scary stull but this site is great, the support and advice is invaluable and the end result is worth the effort.

 

Good luck with the rest

 

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ps is it my imagination or do Egg keep losing these skirmishes????

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hiya

 

FAB RESULT:-D

 

again we can all learn from the wise here on cag

 

subbed to your thread to take time out to fully digest your journey

 

have a beer and enjoy time out with the family now

 

well done to all who helped you too

 

laters angel x:cool:

Im happy to help with support and my own thoughts, but if I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action.:)

 

my new motto is,,,",Taking back control of your life and home - such peace is priceless"

 

This is all due to truecall device , have a serious peek at this you will be thankful like I am x laters angel :D

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Thank you for acknowledging the value of my thread. I was only one contributor on it and all the posters who followed made valuable contributions to the DN argument. So well done CAGers - and a group hug indeed!:-D

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MandM congrats well done. A good well written post as well that will put people at ease who have up and coming court cases.

I have no legal training, any knowledge I have has come from this forum, and my own experiences. Always balance up any advice you get with your own common sense.

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Well done M&M. Our trial is 9 April with BOS:eek: Defective DN doesn't come into it.... its a totally blank template supplied and verified as such in their W/S:roll: Think we'll be on much stronger ground pushing this angle rather than the T/Cs and "agreement" which is not available. At the end of the day, it really is getting a judge who knows his onions:p

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Well done M&M. Our trial is 9 April with BOS:eek: Defective DN doesn't come into it.... its a totally blank template supplied and verified as such in their W/S:roll: Think we'll be on much stronger ground pushing this angle rather than the T/Cs and "agreement" which is not available. At the end of the day, it really is getting a judge who knows his onions:p

 

They are all very important issues and none is 'de minimis' - just make sure EVERY element of your argument is as solid as M&M's!

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echo Donkey - your Judge may not be hot on the DN and focus on the agreement - M carefully allowed himself to be steered. You soon realise when you are heading down a dead end, stop, turn round and try a different route.

 

Rightly or wrongly a Judge may dismiss one or more of your arguments.

Make sure, in the summing up that you are clear (and it is clear for the tape) why any argument was allowed or rejected.

The allowed ones are great for CAG the rejected ones you need to understand in case you need to appeal.

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Thank you all. At work :rolleyes: so popped on for a speed read. Some familiar names and I can't thank you all enough.

 

Now the serious bit - If my judgement helps anyone then of course i'll share it. What am I likely to get through the post from the court now? Do I need to get hold of the transcript and how would I go about that?

 

If anyone knows anything about this i'll gladly post the info up.

 

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Do I need to get hold of the transcript and how would I go about that?

 

If anyone knows anything about this i'll gladly post the info up.

 

M

 

IF you need a transcript you need a form EX107 and put down the name of a transcriber, the judgment will need to be approved by the judge before you can have the script.

 

If you need a name of the transcriber I used just pm and I will give you the details

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IF you need a transcript you need a form EX107 and put down the name of a transcriber, the judgment will need to be approved by the judge before you can have the script.

 

If you need a name of the transcriber I used just pm and I will give you the details

 

Thanks humbleman :). Will PM you.

 

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IF you need a transcript you need a form EX107 and put down the name of a transcriber, the judgment will need to be approved by the judge before you can have the script.

 

If you need a name of the transcriber I used just pm and I will give you the details

 

the transcript will cost you therefore if i were you i would find out how much and then i think it reasonable that caggers who want a copy ( i wouldn't post it up on the forum with your ID on it) can pay towards the costs of it (myself included) .

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Great News!

 

You have given me hope for my case in 3 weeks time where they say but have never actualy produced a Default Notice

 

I have other things to go on but will be using parts of your defense as well if I may be so bold!

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/233016-robinson-way-court-case.html

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Well done MandM this is just the medicine we all need to keep us all going...really pleased to read your update and it gives us all inspiration to keep going when we know we have a faulty DN on our hands....Well done :)

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i do beleive that the site team should make a sticky out of post number 268 in the following thread for the attention of those with DN issues and Restons

 

Re: HFC-No Agreement? - Amended defence help please

 

without even having to produce it to the judge (but making sure that Restons lawyer can see it on the desk) any argument that Restons attempt to make to a court (and against the lawyers code of practice) as to the lack of 14 clear days being a de minimus issue - can be shot down with a few well framed questions

 

as it can be found "on the internet" by googling - it can hardly be described as not being in the public domain

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What great news MandM! News like this really does give us Caggers all a shot in the arm - Congratulations!

My opinions are not expressed as an agent or representative of The Consumer Action Group. My advice is given freely but please remember to always seek professional advice from a qualified legal adviser before acting. If I have helped you please feel free to click on the black star below.

 

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Bankfodder, this is #268

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Hi Chris

 

It wasn't actually the scanning which caused the hold-up, I went off to grab a quick sandwich, came back and found I had a computer mal-function, took a while to close it down and re-boot. :Cry:

 

Anyway, here's the scanned documents received from the court today listed as follows:

1. Letter 1 from Restons to the Court - dated 6/5/08

 

2. Letter 2 from Restons to the Court - dated 7/5/08

 

3. Restons
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application form

 

4. Restons Draft Orders

I'd like to point out that whilst at first glance the 2 Restons letters look similar, there are differences.

 

So here goes;

 

1. Letter 1 from Restons to the Court - dated 6/5/08

 

Restons_Letter1_Page1_BLANKED.jpg

 

Restons_Letter1_Page2_BLANKED.jpg

 

2. Letter 2 from Restons to the Court - dated 7/5/08

 

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Restons_Letter2_Page2_BLANKED.jpg

 

3. Restons N244 application form

 

Restons_N244_Page1_BLANKED.jpg

 

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4. Restons Draft Orders

 

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