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Electric metre inaccurate - owe £££££

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We moved into our current house last August - previous to that we had a prepay metre that cost us maximum £50 a month. We have exactly the same appliances and computers etc and use the same number of rooms!


We were told by British Gas that paying by DD would be cheaper so plumped for £40 a month - however when we moved to EON in May - British Gas read the metre and gave us a final bill of £746 :-o - so August -May cost us just under £1200.


£120 a month is just ridiculous, but I was pregnant and stupidly havent got round to doing something til now because I still owe British Gas £600


Now I have bought a Wattson Energy monitor - I have made sure the dishwasher has gone on plus oven, drier, washing machine - everything used as normal. This has recorded an average of £41 a month - which is what we expected - yet the metre is recording a huge amount more...more than double this.


Does anyone know how accurat the Wattson energy monitors are? I know for sure it goes up when we turn things on, goes really high with the oven, washers etc - so I know it must be seeing the electric.


I am going to contact EON in the morning to get the metre tested, and will raise a dispute on the British Gas bill (they are threatening court action).

Can anyone tell me - am I correct to assume that the Wattson energy monitor is correct - or at least more accurate than the metre?


My other question which may not be in the right place - with EVERYTHING switched off at the plug in the house except the Wattson (which uses a tiny bit of electric) - there is a constant 100-110w going through Wattson - that seems alot to me - should it be like that?! :confused:


Many thanks for taking the time to read me post! Thanks for any replies!

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I'm not able to give the answers you want on this problem. However, we have quite a few people on this forum who complain of similar anomalies in thei power usage.

It sounds as if you are approaching the problem in a very structured way. Please do keep us updated on your progress because I think that it is about time these puzzles were understood. It would benefit a lot of people.


I would have thought that the best thing to do would be to contact the makes of the energy monitor. They will be very anxious to prove that their product is useful and I can imagine that they may give a good level of enthusiastic and knowedgable support.


Once again, please do let us know about it.

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I suppose that you know that there is a Wattsons website with a community and support. It is at: DIY KYOTO


I understand that you can buy software and that the meter has a USB port which will allow you to upload results into some kind of spreadsheet on your computer.


You also asking whether the meter uses a lot of power. Looking at their website it seems to me that it can be operated with batteries and this would be better for you if you want to use the evidence against the electricity company.


Although it seems a bit of a luxury, it might be a very good idea to get a second Wattsons meter so that you can monitor your electricity usage with two separate battery powered metres at the same time. Upload the results onto different spreadsheets. You can then compare them. I would suggest that if they are broadly similar then you have a basis for arguing that they are accurate. I think the court would be very interested to hear this. So would we -- and so would various consumer journalists that I can think of. I would very much like to know what the electricity ccompany'sresponse to your own meter readings would be.

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I see that Wattsons are on of the most expensive.


here is a price comparison site

Home Energy Monitor comparison chart from Electricity-Monitor.com





Anyone had any experience of these?

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Hi BankFodder, thanks very much for the replies, and on my other thread! :)


Yes the Wattson is the most expensive I saw - I went for that one becuase of what you said - I can download the readings each day (the software is free to download and it comes with the cables) - the graphs are really good and show Power/Energy/Cost/CO2 used in 5 minute segments, or daily, monthly etc. It then gives an estimate of the year based on that....it can cope with the 2 rates of electric too.

It really is an eye opener, since getting it I have replaced all the 40w&60w bulbs with Philips 8w Energy Saving bulbs, and I religiously turn everything off a the plug - saving £s just from little red lights!


I checked out the battery thing, You are right - so I can test the useage with everything off, will do that tonight.


I am not sure how long the meter has been wrong for - my nan lived here before, and the metre was changed in 2006 I think - so she may well have been over paying for 2 years.


I really would recommend everyone get one of these, even the cheaper ones, but I warn you that you may find yourself glancing it as the numbers go higher and yelling round the house 'what on earth have you switched on now?!' :oops: Then stalking around the house at night in the dark searching for red standby lights :lol:

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