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https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347310-legal-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track/#comment-5088148 3 copies yes to mediation (unless you filed our Statute Barred Defence OR this is a claim for a Private Parking Ticket) 1 wit you Suitability for determination without a hearing? no (that the issues are so complex they need to be argued orally') the rest is obv 1 to the court 1 to their sols (omit phone/sig/email) if no sols send to claimant 1 for your file pers id NOT email the sols for the court use the correct email address: The new Civil National Business Centre replaces CCBC or CCMCC - Court Procedure and General Guidance (mainly England and Wales) - Consumer Action Group -
dca's have been pulling these stunts since the last 1970's. as for the N180. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347310-legal-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track/#comment-5088148 3 copies yes to mediation (unless you filed our Statute Barred Defence OR this is a claim for a Private Parking Ticket) 1 wit you Suitability for determination without a hearing? no (that the issues are so complex they need to be argued orally') the rest is obv 1 to the court 1 to their sols (omit phone/sig/email) if no sols send to claimant 1 for your file dx
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By occysrazor · Posted
@jk2054 I'm presuming you're referring to the counter open times at the court Mon-Fri 10-4? If so, I am thinking to just go to the court on a weekday when I get some free time -
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