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My dad recently got a parking ticket whilst parked up in bolton (greater manchester). He is a disabled badge holder. he has his badge on the sun viser, then puts this down whilst parked so that they can see the badge clearly. Yet to keep the badge there he placed elastic bands round, one of these were over part of the serial number (over 1 maybe 2 numbers max).

 

Due to this they gave him a ticket as the serial number wasnt readable.

 

He has been given a ticket before under unfair terms, this was then over turned after he contested. Due to this, although being way back in 2001 they have now said that they can't waver any others.

 

He has been told that the fine is £25, when he called to get advise about contesting. They also then told him that they have to get his address from the dvla to send a letter to him to confirm that he hadnt paid any fine as of yet.

He did offer to give them these details over the phone but they wouldnt accept them.

 

Then due to him appealing it would go over the 14 days so would be £50.

 

I just want some advice on what he can do

 

Many thanks

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Guest Old_andrew2018

Can you say who issued the Charge, and were exactly did he park

 

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the mention of DVLA stinks of a PPC, private parking company


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Hi Kiptower,

You are almost certainly correct, I just wonder which of our friends has issued it, the CAG advice is don't phone and don't pay.

 

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The parking ticket was issued whilst he was parked up in a pay and display bay.

Also it was issued by the council (traffic warden) they wrote on the ticket that it was only due to the fact they couldnt read the full serial number.

 

Bolton has become well known for the ammount of tickets being given out now too.

 

As for them saying they cant waver any other tickets due to them doing this before in 2001 seems stupid.

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CONTEST IT , "could not read full serial no" , what a joke, so do they photographic evidence of this ???

 

Many disable drivers/blue badge holders have there badge on the sunvisor and just flip it down

 

whats the next excuse the sun was shinning and we could not read the badge

 

AND WRITE A LETTER OF COMPLAINT , to the CEO of the council in how disgusted you are in the way the wardens are [causing problems] DISABLED DRIVERS !!!

 

also if its a Motability car or you have zero road tax the warden should have also made a note of that , the worst you should have got was a Letter from the Council explaining the serial no was obstructed, dont do it again and penalty was removed on this occasion


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They cannot refuse to consider his representations due to the previous incident but can decide upon consideration not to use their discretion if they have already done so before and warned him to display correctly. Whilst it may seem unfair many badges are stolen or forged and the only way to identify them is to check the serial number.

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and if their anything like 2 london council i can name they issue the same number again on the replacement , with the DUPLICATE next to it , when i challenged this my councils answer was , its not a serial no , its a reference no for the HOLDER , to this day I still have not had an answer how they are going to check a stolen badge if it does not have a serial no unique to each badge, ( 2 years waiting so far for the reply ) other than that is the guidelines on how we issue badges


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and if their anything like 2 london council i can name they issue the same number again on the replacement , with the DUPLICATE next to it , when i challenged this my councils answer was , its not a serial no , its a reference no for the HOLDER , to this day I still have not had an answer how they are going to check a stolen badge if it does not have a serial no unique to each badge, ( 2 years waiting so far for the reply ) other than that is the guidelines on how we issue badges

 

Since October 2007 every badge is in England has its own seral no. in addition to the Councils issue number. In your case if the badge was seen and did not have 'duplicate' on it, it would obviously be the lost/stolen one.

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as G&M said they do have a second number on them ( btw our council only started using them this year )

 

but to point out the flaws in the term Serial No could not be read

 

the Serial No: is your ID with the council ( clearly shown below )

 

the unique ID number is letters / numbers below , as you will see a line of X's in red the exact size they used, it does not say what that is , just numbers etc , their no's was in black , and you would have to get very close to read it,

 

so which part was the rubber band holding it blanking out

 

 

 

example of a badge issued this May , with the user bits removed

 

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as G&M said they do have a second number on them ( btw our council only started using them this year )

 

Any badge issued after October 15th 2007 (in England) MUST be the new format or it is NOT a valid Blue Badge. Therefore any badges issued by your Council that were not the new style are invalid. The easiest way to check is the hologram all valid post 2007 BB have a hologram. The one you show is the newest version with the tamper proof edging there was an interim one that had a normal laminate pouch.

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thanks ,

 

but the point i am making is regarding the SERIAL No

 

and the size of the actual second number on the badge

 

if only the second number had been covered up or could not be read in the OP case, then he can claim the offence did not ocure,

 

because the persons council id number clearly says SERIAL no, there is nothing in front of the second one to define what it is


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thanks ,

 

but the point i am making is regarding the SERIAL No

 

and the size of the actual second number on the badge

 

if only the second number had been covered up or could not be read in the OP case, then he can claim the offence did not ocure,

 

because the persons council id number clearly says SERIAL no, there is nothing in front of the second one to define what it is

 

I realise that but was just concerned you said that your Council had been issuing INVALID BB for over a year!! :eek:

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its seems a common problem , so i'm told a lot just used up what they had before using new type , typical Councils


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its seems a common problem , so i'm told a lot just used up what they had before using new type , typical Councils

 

Technically they are still invalid and incure a PCN.

LAs got sent a circular http://www.dft.gov.uk/transportforyou/access/bluebadge/bluebadgelocalauthguid/pdfcircular032007newregs.pdf which informed them of the new rules and that they should return old badges for disposal.

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maybe they should tell users that the second number is also SERIAL number and must not be obscured and INCREASE the font size of it,

 

I wonder just how many wardens actually know about 2 serial no's and actually are able to read the second 1 anyway,


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maybe they should tell users that the second number is also SERIAL number and must not be obscured and INCREASE the font size of it,

 

I wonder just how many wardens actually know about 2 serial no's and actually are able to read the second 1 anyway,

 

Most do unless not trained properly as it also tells the sex of the holder and it is perfectly readable to anyone with normal vision. The large usually hand written number is the issue number the smaller pre-printed one is the serial number. The holder is told to display it clearly so ALL details are visible, anything covered whether it be the date, serial numbers or hologram could result in a PCN.

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we are still back to the point that the USER ID clearly has Serial No in front of it , and the actual serial number has nothing,

 

so if the actual SERIAL NUMBER NOT the user ID was obstructed , they cannot state the serial number was un-readable,


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we are still back to the point that the USER ID clearly has Serial No in front of it , and the actual serial number has nothing,

 

so if the actual SERIAL NUMBER NOT the user ID was obstructed , they cannot state the serial number was un-readable,

 

What the CEO called the number is irrelevant he has issued for failing to clearly display a blue badge not for failing to display the serial number. What was and was not covered would be clear in the photos and probably his notes.

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