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    • it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything. Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do). Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS. Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves. 10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either. the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get. where your post said fine it now says charge .............. please fill out the Q&A ASAP. dx  
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    • good you are getting there. Lloyds/TSb...i certainly would not be risking possible off-setting going on if a choice were there, but in all honestly thats obv too late now..., however..you might not never be in that situation so dont worry too much. regardless to being defaulted or not, if any debt that is not paid/used in 6yrs it becomes statute barred. you need to understand a couple of things like 'default' and 'default notice' a default is simply a recorded D in the calendar section/history of a debt, it does not really mean anything. might slightly hit your rating. the important thing here is a default notice , these are issued by the original creditor (OC) under the consumer credit act, it gives you 14 days to settle whatever they are asking, if you don't then they have the option to register a defaulted date on your credit file. that can make getting other credit more difficult. and hits your rating. once that happens, not matter what you do after that, paying it or not or not paid off or not, the whole account vanishes from your credit file on the DN's 6th b'day. though that might not necessarily mean the debt is not still owed - thats down to the SB date above. an OC very rarely does court and only the OWNER of a debt can instigate any court action (Attempted a CCJ) DCA's debt collection agencies - DCA's are NOT BAILIFFS they have ZERO legal powers on ANY debt - no matter what it's TYPE. an OC make pass a debt to a dca as their client to try and spoof people into paying through legal ignorance of the above statement. an OC may SELL on an old debt to a DCA/debt buyer (approx 10p=£1) and then claim their losses through tax write off and their business insurance, wiping their hands of the debt. the DCA then becomes the debt OWNER. since the late 70's dca's pull all kinds of 'stunts' through threat-o-grams to spoof a debtor into paying them the full value of the debt, when they bought if for a discounted sum (typically 10p=£1). you never pay a dca a penny! if read carefully, NONE of their letters nor those of any other 'trading names' they spoof themselves under making it seem it's going up some kind of legitimate legal 'chain' say WILL anything....just carefully worded letters with all kinds of threats of what could/might/poss happen with other such words as instruct forward pass... well my dog does not sit when instructed too...so... DCA's SOMETIMES will issue a court claim, but in all honesty its simply a speculative claim hoping mugs wet themselves and cough up...oh im going to court... BIG DEAL DCA - show me the enforceable paperwork signed by me...9/10 they dont have it and if your defence is conducted properly, most run away from you . however before they do all that they now have to send a letter of claim, cause the courts got fed up with them issuing +750'000PA speculative claims and jamming up the legal system. so bottom line is two conclusions.... if you cant pay a debt, get a DN issued ASAP (stop paying it!) make sure it gets registered on your file then it stops hurting your file/future credit in 6yrs regardless to what happens (bar of course a later DCA CCJ - fat chance mind!)  once you've a registered DN , then look into restarting payments if the debt is still owed by the OC, if SOLD to a DCA, don't pay - see if they issue a letter of claim (then comeback here!).        
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Hi all,

 

Hopefully a simple one for the legal experts here:

 

Which (if any) correspondence should be headed with the above term when dealing with the many and varied forms that are the involved in chasing us for debts (owed or not) and charges (almost always disproportionate!) please?

 

I have seen said use it on most thing, I have seen said it is over used. Any definitive answers gratefully recieved! :D

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How to use 'without prejudice' to protect your interests

 

If what you say in your attempts to settle a dispute (with a customer, supplier or employee, for example) is 'without prejudice', it means what you say can't be used against you if the dispute turns into court proceedings.

To rely on the 'without prejudice' rule:

  • there must be a dispute underway;
  • what you say must be part of a genuine attempt at settling the dispute;
  • you must not reveal the content of 'without prejudice' negotiations, or you can forfeit your right to confidentiality.

If you have a potential dispute with an employee or a customer, just using the words 'without prejudice' in a discussion or on correspondence does not automatically make it confidential. Your words could still be made public in court or the employment tribunal - they are not 'without prejudice' at all - unless you satisfy certain conditions.

First, for the words to protect you a dispute actually has to be underway. The courts have said that:

  • a 'dispute' means "a matter capable of compromise and one in respect of which, if not resolved, the parties could reasonably contemplate litigation" (which includes discussions about how to avoid a dispute becoming a legal claim): and
  • it does not matter that negotiations took place along time before a matter became a legal claim, as long as it was foreseeable that it might at the time.

This means 'dispute' has a wide meaning, and the period during which 'without prejudice' can protect businesses can be lengthy, giving them plenty of latitude when attempting to settle disputes without going to court or tribunal.

Be very careful, however. If a customer has complained, and you want to make an offer of compensation, to appease them, you can mark it 'without prejudice'. But you must still ask "Is there a dispute yet?". If the court decides the matter hadn't escalated into a dispute, your offer could come out into the open later and be treated as an admission of fault - in the absence of a dispute, you cannot say your offer was really made 'without prejudice'. Or it might not be a genuine attempt to settle the dispute - if it is not, it can be referred to in court.

Also, attempts to negotiate with employees during disciplinary and grievance procedures remain fraught with difficulty. For example, you might want to sack an employee, and decide to have a 'without prejudice' chat to see if she'll go quietly. Legally, however, there may not be a 'dispute' yet - even if she has lodged a grievance. So what you say in your 'without prejudice' chat - and the fact you had a chat at all - may turn out not to be confidential if she later sues you for discrimination.

If you suggest she might leave her job during your chat (even if you offer to make it worth her while) it's likely to be a constructive dismissal. By making it clear you want her to go you've destroyed the relationship of trust and confidence which should exist between you.

Even if there's a dispute, 'without prejudice' only makes your admissions confidential, not your assertions - so don't make discriminatory comments during 'without prejudice' discussions, even if a dispute is actually underway, because they won't be protected even if you have used 'without prejudice'.

Keeping quiet

Once you have reached a 'without prejudice' agreement, keep it confidential. In one case an employer later went public with certain details of 'without prejudice' negotiations and settlement reached with an employee during an internal grievance. These were then held to be admissible in discrimination claims brought by the employee, because the remarks made publicly were evidence of discrimination.

Action points

  • Only use 'without prejudice' if there is an existing dispute underway.
  • Use 'without prejudice' only if you're making a genuine attempt to settle the dispute.
  • Don't make assertions, and expect them to be protected by the 'without prejudice' rule.
  • If communications are, in fact, without prejudice, it helps to mark them as such.
  • Ensure no public reference is made to the content of without prejudice negotiations or settlements.
  • Do not use 'without prejudice' negotiations in the course of employees' disciplinary and grievance procedures without legal advice.
  • Keep a written record of exactly what is said during any 'without prejudice' discussions.

If in any doubt at all, take legal advice.

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Thanks BB and Mr T, I will be using freely in many a dispute! :p

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