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I was sacked on the 19th August 2008 and waiting for a date for my tribunal(already postponed once as the company could not attend on the set date).I have just received my 3rd letter from the companys solicitors stating that my chances of winning are low and if I don't drop my claim then they will be asking for costs to be made against me.

These letters are causing considerable stress to me as I have only managed to find part-time work since losing my job and really don't have the money to pay if I do lose my claim.What sort of costs would be the norm if I did lose my claim and how would this be collected from myself???

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How much might the costs be



The maximum amount of costs which can be awarded by a tribunal without an assessment of costs is £10,000. However, costs orders are not made very often. For example, in 2007/08, costs orders were made in 461 cases, which represents just under 0.25 per cent of the total number of cases. The average award for costs in 2007/08 was £2,095.


The Court of Appeal has decided that a costs warning from a tribunal should be made only where there is a real risk of substantial costs being ordered against the applicant at the end of the hearing (endnote 4). In this case, the tribunal issued a substantial costs warning which led to the applicant fearing that she would lose her home if she pursued the case. The Court of Appeal held that the applicant had an arguable point, and that it was unfair for the tribunal to issue the costs warning. This effectively deprived the applicant of a fair hearing.


I will come back to this one when I have more time, however based on the information provided it would appear that you have not had a costs warning from the tribunal and only from the defenders solicitors. This would suggest to me that they are merely using this as a scare tactic.


It may well be worth taking this to your local CAB who in most cases have an employment adviser and this advice is completely free of charge.


Form my experience, I have never heard of a Tribunal awarding costs against a lay person pursuing a claim


I hope this information is of assistance.

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These letter are an Idle threat,disregard the contents and speak to acas they will confirm that these letters are not the paper they are written on.


Do Not be alarmed or intimidated by the contents of this letter,Just ignore it.

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costs can not be claimed against the other side in a employment tribunal.

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Thank you Crocdoc,

I have heard that costs are only awarded if the E/T consider a claim has no merit but also that the E/T favour the employer not the employee.

I think I have a strong claim;

1.Two employees have received verbal/written warnings for the same breach of procedure.(and are willing to be witnesses)

2.I only had 3 days in which to seek advice/contact witnesses.

3.The area manager who dismissed me produced a new roster to my colleagues the day after my dismissal stating they had to increase their hours due to my sacking but unfortunately for him it was dated the day before my dismissal.

Fortunately for me a colleague passed a copy on to me.

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