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    • you need to ring northants bulk and ask for a copy of the judgement and the claimform by email pdf. it is quite usual for them to not have a copy of the claimform. so you need to record the call and ask them to read out the particulars of claim and the address it was sent too.     old wives tales , if you have a debt owing that shows on your credit file or you know exists from say the last 7yrs you should NEVER move without WRITTING to the debt owner with your new address. never run from debt which falls within the above .     all mortgage style SLC loans that were not deferred with erudio following the gov't sale in 2013 and that did not have a court claim raised within 6yrs are SB'd.   drydens simply did this because they wrote to your old address, got no response, and knew they'd get a default roboclaim CCJ where no human checks anything.   shot yourself in the foot.      
    • yep.   if all these are still owned/with the original creditors and you are not paying any powerless DCA's  then little point in any CCA requests at this stage unless any (non OD A/C's) are say pre 2000 opening.   our pro rata letters are the way to go you'll find those in the debt collection section of our library.   get any income payments on going or otherwise moved into a parachute A/c.   it is most probable that whatever you do most A/c's will be defaulted once this is done if not already. bearing in mine your wish to re mortgage or move in a future, it is most probable that the quicker you do default , the earlier a DN will be registered thus the earlier these will not show following their 6th birthday. this might involve you thinking about stopping all payments now ensuring this does happen, then resuming payment under a pro rata scheme self administered , once this happens.   just be aware that no DMP providers will ever question enforceability, should that be relevant.     
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    • slow down ...read what i'm asking , stating and trying to clarify.. it all might seem useless or totally irrelevant but it's important information moving forward with the whole situation and useful in the SPC claim moving forward     there was not 2 loans - the litigated OD is not a loan but it appears from your comment here..     sorry but then you did get scammed on many fronts... they allowed you to settle the loan exploiting your confusion over thinking it was the litigated account. they didn't tell you either and they would also have been aware of your statement filed response form:   The respondent had a junior account with the Bank of Scotland since a young age.  The Bank of Scotland offered the Respondent a loan of around £2500. This Respondent serviced the loan until losing her source of income and ran into some financial difficulty resulting in defaulting in servicing the loan.   they settled for a discounted sum... why? we usually find this is because they hold no enforceable paperwork at all. or was full of charges , charges could have been the discount or it could have been due to 'a business decision' ...   but sure as eggs is eggs there is no way 1st credit would not have raised a court claim for both the OD and the loan unless there was a very good reason. they didn't that smells...badly.   OD 's are notoriously difficult to litigate upon if defended properly...but with a loan in the same claim, with enforceable paperwork, they would have almost been guaranteed to win.   it's also a shame you didn't come where before you did anything but we are where we are.   now the above might seem harsh..even petty but our posts are not only for you and your issue they are also for future readers that find us via search engines or read like threads here alerting debtors to frequent pitfalls and innocent wet myself actions many do that all these dca's will and have exploited time and time again over the last +40yrs .   i'll try and get around to properly redacting all your pdf's tonight and get them back up. but before i finish and get on with the above........the status of the claim as it stands now.   From what i can gather the claim now hinges upon proving her ex at the time settled by a discounted payment to HBOS well before the sale to Intrum and the SPC Claim.   In all honestly and with regard to your comments in your previous posts upon his character, i seriously doubt this ever happened. the disclosures from Intrum contain all the OD statements , should that have happened, it would be detailed in those.   there is little point in the claimant hiding that info as they would be in far more legal trouble should they have doctored them than insuring a mere +£1k claim win. Even 1st credit wouldn't pull such stunts.   Sorry but there is little point in requesting HBOS to attend any future hearing, nor hoping the SAR shows anything different to the statements the claimant has disclosed . That will cost you more money , and more money in terms of the claimant attending another hearing.   there is one exploitation i see. that being the mention of a default notice. the claim states:  The respondent fell into arrears under the Finance Agreement. A Default Notice was Issued by the Original Creditor .   now default notices are not issued for OD A/C's (which ties in to the possible loan confusion and scam settlement i mentioned) . This tallies with a common mistake that many DCA's, including why i keep mentioning 1st credit, which is the previous name for Intrum, made on numerous claims and was one of the reasons for the name change. To Hide that They lost many Statutory Demand and court claims over the non existence of a DN or proof of it's issuance by the OC (a DCA can't issue a DN) .. No copy of a default notice is fatal to to successful  litigation.   even though in this OD case one was not ever needed. (Poor particulars of claim showing copy and paste, and never expecting a claim to be defended but responded to by a wet themselves response , which you did by settling a loan which you believed was the claimed debt when it never was)    other than that you indicate you made an OOC F&F offer in 09-20  have you advanced this option since ?   dx
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    • Hi @BankFodder
      Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
      So I issued the claim on day 15 and they requested more time to respond.
      They took until the last day to respond and denied the claim, unsurprisingly saying my contract was with Packlink and not with them.
       
      I opted for mediation, and it played out very similarly to other people's experiences.
       
      In the first call I outlined my case, and I referred to the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 as the reason to why I do in fact have a contract with them. 
       
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      In the third call the mediator said that they would offer the full amount. However, he said that Hermes still thought that I should have taken the case against Packlink instead, and that they would try to recover the court costs themselves from Packlink.
       
      To be fair to them, if Packlink wasn't based in Spain I would've made the claim against them instead. But since they are overseas and the law lets me take action against Hermes directly, it's the best way of trying to recover the money.
       
      So this is a great win. Thank you so much for your help and all of the resources available on this site. It has helped me so much especially as someone who does not know anything about making money claims.
       
      Many thanks, stay safe and have a good Christmas!
       
       
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And no surprise, no response.

 

I am correct in saying that i have 28 days from date of service to enter my defence? Do I need to confirm anything to court in the mean time?

 

As SCM have not complied with CPR I will enter a brief, embarrassed defence...?

 

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SCM have written acknowledging my letter (CPR request for info) and unsurprisingly have ignored the request and said that they will use CPR 3.4 to strike out my defence as having no merit. (which I haven't written yet!)

 

They have also offered to settle out of court reserving the right to show the letter when the question of costs arises.

 

The letter is clumsy in the way it is written and starts by saying 'our letters must have crossed in the post' ! How will they have known this prior to posting it ?!!... lets hope they keep applying this level of stupidity to the rest of their dealings!

 

any thoughts anyone?

 

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**** are stoopid :D Just give them enough rope ;)

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well if you have not indeed submitted a defence i would certainly use within your arguments against their application for strike out that they are being disigenuous and attempting to abuse the court process by falsely alleging that a defence of which they have no knowledge whatsoever has no merit!

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Another letter today dated 9.10.09, 4 days earlier than the letter received yesterday!

 

Here is a copy of an 'agreement' very poor copy of something I cant even make out and the letter quotes a new 'account number' I have never seen before with a different balance (a lot lower than the amount claimed!)... further stupidity and gross incompetence from our friends SCM.

 

SCM are incompetent and devious... looks like they are sending letters with dates that are well behind when they actually send them and they have made errors with 'account numbers' and 'balances'

 

As you say babybear, 'enough rope'. I dont even need to give them the rope!

 

I will go ahead with my defence and wait for direction from the court.

 

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Can anyone help with this...

 

SCM have sent me the following in response to CPR 31.14:

 

*A very poor copy of what they allege to be a CCA - the same one that is towards the beginning of this thread (almost invisible)

*A copy of some terms and conditions not associated with signed part

*A covering letter with a new account number (different to the one on the claim) and a different balance.(they got it wrong)

 

Should I still enter an embarrassed defence saying that the quality and accuracy of the documentation is wrong and incomplete (no copies of DN or termination, statements...)?

 

Should this thread be moved to a different forum now?

 

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Hi I also received an illegible copy (due to the age , no longer held), so I entered a short embarrassed defence.

Just a word of warning, check with the court after your defence has been filed as [problem] have a habit of 'forgetting to check' if you have filed a defence and going for a SJ ;)

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ok so here is the standard embarrassed defence...

 

1. I, ********** of ************** make this statement as my defence to the claim brought by **************

 

2. The claimants particulars of claim are vague and fail to disclose any cause of action, they appear to be an abuse of the process in that they fail to deal with the basic rules of pleading in accordance with the CPR even allowing for the constraints of the bulk issue system

 

3. No documents supporting the claims in the particulars have been offered and despite a request to the claimant for further information via CPR 31.14 dated xx/xx/xxxx sent by recorded delivery none has been forthcoming and as a result I cannot plead in defence to the claim

 

4. Without clarification of the claimants claim, the defendant is extremely disadvantaged and the claimants claim appears without merit, the defendant asks to be allowed to submit a fully particularised defence should the claimant provide copies of the original documents he will rely upon.

 

5. Further to that above 4 paragraphs, the defendant is unable to plead effectively or at all. The defendant is embarrassed.

 

 

I am thinking of editing paragraph 3 so that it reads...

 

3. No documents adequately supporting the claims within the particulars have been offered, despite a request for information via CPR 31.14 dated xx/xx/xxxx sent by recorded delivery. In response to this request, the claimant has sent details relating to another account number and balance than that quoted in the claim. The claimant has also sent some documents which are illegible with no reference to what they are within the correspondence. The documents sent by the claimant do not appear to relate to this claim and as a result I cannot plead in defence to the claim.

Do I risk overcomplicating this when it is not necessary?

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ok so here is the standard embarrassed defence...

 

1. I, ********** of ************** make this statement as my defence to the claim brought by **************

 

2. The claimants particulars of claim are vague and fail to disclose any cause of action, they appear to be an abuse of the process in that they fail to deal with the basic rules of pleading in accordance with the CPR even allowing for the constraints of the bulk issue system

 

3. No documents supporting the claims in the particulars have been offered and despite a request to the claimant for further information via CPR 31.14 dated xx/xx/xxxx sent by recorded delivery none has been forthcoming and as a result I cannot plead in defence to the claim

 

4. Without clarification of the claimants claim, the defendant is extremely disadvantaged and the claimants claim appears without merit, the defendant asks to be allowed to submit a fully particularised defence should the claimant provide copies of the original documents he will rely upon.

 

5. Further to that above 4 paragraphs, the defendant is unable to plead effectively or at all. The defendant is embarrassed.

 

 

I am thinking of editing paragraph 3 so that it reads...

 

3. No documents adequately supporting the claims within the particulars have been offered, despite a request for information via CPR 31.14 dated xx/xx/xxxx sent by recorded delivery. In response to this request, the claimant has sent details relating to another account number and balance than that quoted in the claim. The claimant has also sent some documents which are illegible with no reference to what they are within the correspondence. The documents sent by the claimant do not appear to relate to this claim and as a result I cannot plead in defence to the claim.

Do I risk overcomplicating this when it is not necessary?

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looks ok to me- although on reflection i might just produce these in my bundle of disclosures and hope they dont spot the mistake until they are before the judge

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Ok thanks DD, very helpful as ever...

 

I think I am just concerned that they will try to have my defence struck out and go for SJ and am being a bit over-keen to get my arguments in!

 

Thanks again

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Ok thanks DD, very helpful as ever...

 

I think I am just concerned that they will try to have my defence struck out and go for SJ and am being a bit over-keen to get my arguments in!

 

Thanks again

 

i'm no expert but i am not aware of many cases where an embarassed defence would be brushed aside in favour of a SJ

 

you have to have the documents that support the claim to be able to make any sort of plea

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Make sure you get your defence in on time as some claimants are known to ring the court and ask for an SJ if the defence comes in just before the deadline and hasn't been processed by the court!

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Acknowledged service on 28.09 so 28 days later is Monday 26th of October. I will get my defence in on Thursday of this week, 22.10, just to be safe.

 

Thanks for the help and support

 

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