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Hello,

 

Re thread http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/115666-alf-barcalycard-rma-1st-14.html

 

I am looking for assistance in appying to a court to make a declaration under the following.

 

1)A declaration made under s 142 (1) CCA 1974 that the agreement (a copy of which is attached) to these particulars is improperly executed and therefore unenforceable under s 127 (3) CCA 1974

 

 

 

2)Further, by reason of the Defendants breaches aforesaid of both prescribed and other terms, the relationship between the parties was unfair to the claimant within the meaning of s140A of the CCA 1974

 

 

 

 

3)An order made pursuant to s14 Data Protection Act 1998, ordering the Defendant to remove all adverse data from the Claimants credit file in relation to this matter

 

4)Costs

 

I am a total novice with regards to court procedure so would rearly appreciate CAGers input.

 

Many thanks

Alf

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GOOD EVENING AWH.

 

Yes i am withyou do not know to much at the moment however we will learn together.

 

i have look at your tread and i see you where given the start by pt.

 

so where do we start at the beginning.


Id quot circumiret, circumveniat.

 

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pt quoted from this in your tread

 

this the full trial

 

just in case you miss it

 

 

__________

APPEARANCES:

For the Claimant: MISS GARDNER

For the Defendant: MR BERKLEY QC

__________

Transcribed from tape by

J L Harpham Limited

Official Court Reporters and Tape Transcribers

55 Queen Street

Sheffield S1 2DX

BANK OF SCOTLAND -v- ROBERT MITCHELL

1st June 2009

APPROVED JUDGMENT

JUDGE LANGAN:

 

1. I have to deal with an issue as to costs which has arisen on the informal discontinuance of an action.

 

2. The action was commenced on 21st May 2008. The claimant bank had, in December 2003, issued a credit card to the defendant, and the claim was for £15,417.23, being the amount said to be due on the defendant's account. Judgment in default, for a total sum of £15,727.23, was obtained on 4th July 2008. The defendant subsequently applied to have the judgment set

aside. That application came before District Judge Jordan on 29th January this year and was successful. The recitals to the District Judge's order say this:

"And upon the defendant's proceedings on the basis of a breach of

Section 61(1)(a) of the Consumer Credit Act, namely that the claimant

failed to comply with the requirements to give copies of all the

documents relevant to the agreement at the time of signing, and upon

the defendant contending that notwithstanding Section 65 of the

Consumer Credit Act 1974, Section 127(3) of the Act preventing the

enforcement".

 

After those recitals it is ordered the court sets judgment aside, and it is ordered that there be, "A determination of the issue set out above". Various procedural directions then follow.

 

3. What has been listed for trial today is, "The determination of issue", referred to in the order which I have just recited.

 

4. The agreement made in relation to the defendant's credit card was a regulated agreement within the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Section 61(1)(a) of that Act provides:

 

"A regulated agreement is not properly executed unless a document in

the prescribed form, itself containing all the prescribed terms and

conforming to regulations under Section 60(1), is signed in the

prescribed manner, both by the debtor or hirer, and by or on behalf of

the creditor or owner".

 

Having regard to the date of the agreement made in this case, which was prior to amendments made to the Act which took effect from 5th April 2007, the result of non compliance with Section 61(1)(a) would be that the credit card agreement would be unenforceable against the defendant, see Consumer Credit Act 1974 Section 127(3).

 

5. This morning I was informed by Miss Gardner, counsel for the bank, that the bank was withdrawing its claim against the defendant. This announcement has been accepted by Mr Berkley QC, who appears for the defendant, as equivalent to the service of a notice of discontinuance under the Civil Procedure Rules Part 38.3. By the Civil Procedure Rules Part 38.6.1:

 

"Unless the court orders otherwise, a claimant who discontinues is

liable for the costs which a defendant against whom the claimant

discontinues incurred, on or before the date on which notice of

discontinuance was served on the defendant".

 

Miss Gardner contends that the court should, "Order otherwise", and make no order for costs as between the parties. Mr Berkley contends that the presumption in CPR 38.1.6 should operate, and further that the order for costs to be made in favour of his client should be an order for assessment on the indemnity basis.

 

6. The thrust of Miss Gardner's submission is that the issue directed by the District Judge, and on which the evidence has been focussed, is whether the bank supplied the defendant at the time of signing the application form for credit with documents which contained all the terms of the agreement between them. I shall elaborate a little further on this. It has been the defendant's case that he was supplied with nothing more than the application form which he signed. It has been the bank's case that in accordance with the usual practice of the bank the defendant would have been, and must have been, supplied with other documents, including a pack which will have contained all the terms and conditions of the agreement made between the parties. Miss Gardner goes on to say that the defendant has at the last moment taken a new and radically different point, namely that the document signed by the defendant did not contain all the prescribed terms of the agreement. I must again elaborate on this. It is common ground that the only document signed by the defendant was the application form. It is also common ground that the application form did not, on its face, set out the prescribed terms of the agreement between the parties. The point which is treated by Miss Gardner as a

new point is dealt with in paragraphs 22 and 23 of Mr Berkley's written argument, and it will, I think, be more economical if I simply quote those two paragraphs in full rather than attempt,in my own words, to expand on them:

 

"The key words in Section 61(1)(a) are the reference to a document

itself containing all the prescribed terms, and conforming to the

regulations under Section 61. This language is clear and specific, and

ensures that mere reference to terms contained in another document

will not suffice. The document must contain the prescribed terms, just

as the signed document referred to in Section 127(3), which might save

the day, must however contain the prescribed terms. The construction

contended for by the defendant is entirely consistent with the language

of Section 61(1), and is also supported by Professor Good in his

encyclopaedic work - see Good & Consumer Credit Law and Practice

volume 2, 2B 5.121, and see also the comments at 2B 5.247. There the

learned author draws a distinction between the language of paragraph

(a) contain and paragraph (b) embody. It is respectfully submitted that

the court should adopt the same reasoning in determining this issue in

favour of the defendant, irrespective of whether or not it finds that the

defendant was supplied with documents other than the credit

agreement itself".

 

7. In my judgment, the point with which I have just been dealing is not properly to be characterised as a new point on which the bank can present itself as being taken by surprise. I refer to four documents. First, on 3rd November 2008, when the defendant was acting as a litigant in person, in the request to have the default judgment set aside he said this:

 

"As the court is aware, in the absence of all the prescribed terms being

embodied, it will render a document unenforceable in court. These

terms must be contained within the agreement, and not in a separate

document headed 'Terms and Conditions', or words to that effect".

Secondly, on 18th February 2009, solicitors, who were by then acting for the defendant, sent to the solicitors acting for the bank a copy of what they called an expert report setting out the reasons why the agreement was in breach of Section 61(1)(a), and they went on:

 

"As you are aware it is our client's position that at the time he entered

into the agreement he was not provided with a copy of the terms and

conditions governing the agreement".

 

If one goes to the so called expert's report, one finds that it is in effect an opinion prepared by another firm of solicitors, and the opinion contains the following:

 

"Based on the information provided, it appears that the prescribed

terms and conditions were not included in the document signed by the

borrower. The agreement would appear to be in breach of the

regulations in that it does not contain within the signed agreement itself

all of the prescribed terms".

 

Thirdly, that point having been taken on behalf of the defendant, it was robustly rejected by the solicitors acting for the bank in their reply of 19th March 2009:

 

"Our client has sought counsel's opinion on this matter and her view is

that the agreement is compliant. We note that your client is arguing

that at the time of signing the agreement, the application for a credit

card, he was not provided with the actual terms and conditions which

were contained in a separate document to the application. Whilst our

client accepts that the application itself does not comply with the

requirements of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, and only becomes

compliant by reference to terms and conditions, there are references in

the agreement to the conditions in which it states that they are provided

in the Halifax credit card application pack".

 

Fourthly, going back in time a little, on 4th March 2009, in the defendant's witness statement made for the purpose of the trial of the issue, at the very beginning of the statement, in paragraph 3, he said this:

 

"It is my position that the agreement is not enforceable by the claimant

as it has failed to comply with its obligations under Section 61 of the

Consumer Credit Act 1974 by failing to include within the document

that I signed all the prescribed terms".

 

8. The absence of further reference to the point in the evidence is hardly surprising, since the point is one of law, on which there was no controversy as to the facts.

 

9. Miss Gardner has given no reason for the withdrawal of the action. She is in no way to be criticised for the omission. She is bound to act in accordance with her instructions, and those instructions were presumably to say no more than she has in fact said. But this does not prevent me from drawing what is in my judgment the only inference which can possibly be drawn from what has happened, which is that the bank realises that if the issue were to be

contested it would either lose on the issue or be at serious risk of losing. There may be hundreds of similar cases and the bank would plainly not wish other defaulting customers to get wind of an adverse decision on the fundamental point which is embodied in the quotation from Mr Berkley's written argument, which I have already set out.

 

10. Accordingly, I conclude, without hesitation, that there is no reason for displacing the presumption as to incidence of costs which is ordinarily applicable in a case of discontinuance. The bank will pay the defendant's costs of the claim, subject only to any existing order for costs in favour of the bank not being disturbed.

 

11. Finally, I have to consider whether the costs of the defendant should be assessed on the standard or on the indemnity basis. In my judgment the assessment should be on the indemnity basis. The only realistic view of what has happened is that the bank has surrendered on a straightforward point of law, to which it has on several occasions been alerted by the defendant or his solicitors. A large commercial enterprise which proceeds with litigation in the face of warning signs of the kind which were erected here, adopts a high risk strategy. The point in question was a simple one. There was no relevant controversy as to the evidence. To choose to abandon the claim on the very day of the hearing is doing a serious disservice to the efficient administration of justice, and comes very close to constituting an abuse of process. At the very least, the bank's conduct of the litigation falls comfortably within the range of cases in which, on the modern authorities, an assessment of costs on the indemnity basis is appropriate.

__________

 

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GOOD EVENING AWH.

 

Yes i am withyou do not know to much at the moment however we will learn together.

 

i have look at your tread and i see you where given the start by pt.

 

so where do we start at the beginning.

 

The beginning is always a good place to start.

Thanks for the full transcript by the way,

I will have to see if PT comes back to the thread and gives some insight into how the get the balls rolling (their balls LOL)

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Lloyds TSB - At the Sign of Flogging a Dead Horse

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Hi I am looking at assisting my friend in a similar situation

 

Firstly I've just been kindly referred to the Rankine case which I'd read first if I was you.

 

I would recommend you make yourself familiar with the pre-action protocols

 

CPR - Rules and Directions - Ministry of Justice

 

I have attached a rough draft of a letter of claim I have put together for my friend. Its not finished yet and does make use of some of the wording of the judgement in the wilson case. I can not assume any liability for the contents.

 

I am putting it up to assist you but also for any constructive criticism* to assist me in preparing a final draft.

 

I note PT has given you the prayer for use on the end of your particulars of claim which you will need to send with your claim form when you (if you) issue proceedings.

 

Let me know how it goes.

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I find your letter confusing. If you are trying to use it to get them to provide a 'signed copy' then I can't see where you are asking for it. What you've said is. in effect, "this letter puts you on notice I'm going to court so please send me a letter". To what purpose?

 

I think you need to add in a demand that they send you the a copy of the correctly executed agreement or that you'll ask the court to make them produce it. The other thing that bothers me is that you've said things there that could be useful to them - like the court has powers to make the agreement valid in certain circumstances. Do you really want to tell them that? It's up to them to discover that sort of thing (and you don't want to remind them).


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Lloyds TSB - At the Sign of Flogging a Dead Horse

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I too find the letter difficult to follow, i accept that different people have different writing styles but i think that letter does not go anywhere near setting out the nature of the claim.

 

I also question the 7 days / 30 days reference too. it is reasonable to give the lender 14 days to respond to your letter of claim at which point they may ask for additional time to investigate the claim.

 

As for Rankine, why bother? it does nothing to change the statutory requirements as to form and content of a regulated credit agreement. the document you sign must be in the form the 1974 act and the regulations require pure and simple, in Rankine the judge clearly moved to make an example out of two people who brought the most absurd claim based upon untested arguments which had no merit. however, we all know that Mrs Wilson succeeded in her action dont we;)

 

Rankine is only used by lenders in desperation IMHO and it can be easily overcome if you know what you are doing, if you dont, then you really need a lawyer IMHO.

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Has a correctly worded letter become available yet regarding this subject?

 

I wish to start the ball rolling as soon as possible on the following points

 

1) A declaration made under s 142 (1) CCA 1974 that the agreement (a copy of which is attached) to these particulars is improperly executed and therefore unenforceable under s 127 (3) CCA 1974

2) Further, by reason of the Defendants breaches aforesaid of both prescribed and other terms, the relationship between the parties was unfair to the claimant within the meaning of s140A of the CCA 1974

3) An order made pursuant to s14 Data Protection Act 1998, ordering the Defendant to remove all adverse data from the Claimants Credit File in relation to this matter

4) Costs

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Does anyone have the correct wording for an n244 application in respect of something like this?

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