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CRB Checks and Nursing. (Nursing Career over before its even started???)

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Hi guys, you have helped me immensely in the past and hope you can do the same with this query I have.

I am contemplating starting a course this September(Access to Higher Education), with a view to going to University next year (Sept 2010) and starting a degree in Nursing as a mature student.

I am aware that the NHS and indeed the Universities themselves carry out an enhanced CRB check prior to offering you a job and a place on the course respectively.

My problem is when I was 14/15 years old I was cautioned for shoplifting along with a friend. As it happens I did not steal anything, but just happened to be with my friend and ran off when the security chased us. But that is besides the point, I was cautioned and I accepted this at the time, where my fingerprints and photo was taken. The police didn't take any further action, no rehabilitation or a court day, just cautioned me. Now this even occurred perhaps 15 or 16 years ago as I am now 30 years old. Since that time I have never been in trouble with Police whatsoever.

Also since then I have applied for 2 jobs when I was around 17 years and 22 respectively I didn't enclose any convictions on the application form and got the jobs without problem. These jobs were in a well known fast food restaurant, and a retail shop.

I have the following questions:

 

1.Would I be able to see what is on my enhanced CRB record prior to taking up my studies, so I waste no time and money on studying when no hope of getting the job? Any way through the freedom of Information act group perhaps? It seems strange that I am unable to check before any studies to save myself , prospective Universities and the NHS time and money.

 

2.Would the information, if there is any about the above events on my enhanced CRB record be detrimental to 1st of all studying for a Nursing degree, and 2ndly to actual be employed a Nurse in some capacity?

 

3.I am considering, studying/working in either one of the branches of Nursing including Mental Health and Learning Disability Course, would this kind of study/work be a no go area for me because of any information held?

 

 

 

Sorry for the length for this post, but I figured the more information I gave, the better answers you would be provide for me.

This has been really worrying since yesterday when I found out, I was looking so forward to studying and having a career in Nursing as well......:sad::sad:

 

I would appreciate if you guys are honest, as I don't to study hard for 4 years only to be told I can't work in a job that I would dearly love to.

Thanks in advance, best regards.

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Be open and honest during the recruitment process and emphasise that it was youthful indiscretion.

 

It will probably show on an enhanced CRB check, but is so old and minor that it shouldn't stop you getting the job/course.

 

A CRB disclosure does not have to come back 'clean'; the type and age of any offences have to be considered by the employer.

 

There are only a few offences that you deny you your career of choice forever.

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Bless you Pat, thanks for the advice.

So do you think I should enrol on the course regardless, and have a good go at it.

Maybe I can turn this into a positive by stating on my UCAS form that, even though I knew I wasn't guaranteed a place at University due to the enhanced CRB check I took risk in taking my current course as a result of my enthusiasm for the profession?

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Hi Joe

as pat advised be honest no NHS employer is going to penalise you for somthing like this, I am sure that you get on your course.

When you ask about enhanced CRB checks, yes you also get a copy sent to your current address.

I've 3 copies up to now due to moving employers.

 

Andy

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Thanks for your advice Andy, you have both put my mind at rest regarding the fact I can still pursue a career in Nursing. I guess I will just have to bite the bullet when being interviewed and discuss it is as openly and honestly as possible, whilst displaying the regret and remorse that I still feel.

I wonder whether the better universities will reject my applications as a result.......ah well I guess I am no position to be choosy.

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I was in a similar position (but worse) and declared it on a cover letter to the university admissions team, I had to attend for an interview (additional to the school of nursing interview) but was accepted. I declared it to the NMC when I registered and declare to employers when I apply for a job.

 

I have been promoted numerous times since qualifying and now hold a senior position so don't let it hold you back - what you did when you were young should stay in the past - as long as you are honest - don't consider not declaring as this could get you in serious bother later.

 

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Thanks poppynurse, this coming straight from the horses mouth has certainly made me feel more confident.

By the way I am sure you are much more attractive than a horse....... ;-)

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Poppynurse - I found myself in a very similar position about five years ago. Before starting my course I made a subject access request (costs £10) to the data controller for the police force for the area that I lived in when I was 16. I specifically asked for all information covering the time period when I lived at that address.

 

Because the offence should have removed after 10 years my record was corrected to show no cautions so I have a clean CRB - this link might help: Youth Information Criminal records

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in stead why not SAR the CRB ppl and the police force who cautioned u

 

Subject Access

 

Now this next quote wont necessarily apply to u directly but the document the quote is from might

 

Print this page What is the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (ROA) 1974?

 

The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (ROA) 1974 applies to England, Scotland and Wales, and is aimed at helping people who have been convicted of a criminal offence and who have not re-offended since.

Anyone who has been convicted of a criminal offence, and received a sentence of not more than 2.5 years in prison, benefits as a result of the Act, if he or she is not convicted again during a specified period otherwise known as the 'rehabilitation period’. The length of this period depends on the sentence given for the original offence and runs from the date of the conviction. If the person does not re-offend during this rehabilitation period, they become a ‘rehabilitated person’, and their conviction becomes ‘spent’.

For example, if a person receives a sentence of imprisonment or detention in a young offenders institute of between 6 months and 2.5 years, the rehabilitation period is 10 years, or 5 years if the individual was under 18 at the time of conviction. For an absolute discharge the rehabilitation period is six months.

Sentences can carry fixed or variable rehabilitation periods and these periods can be extended if the person offends again during the rehabilitation period. However, if the sentence is more that 2.5 years in prison the conviction never becomes ‘spent’. It is the sentence imposed by the courts that counts, even if it is a suspended sentence, not the time actually spent in prison.

Once a conviction is ‘spent’, the convicted person does not have to reveal it or admit its existence in most circumstances. However, there are some exceptions relating to employment and these are listed in the Exceptions order to the ROA. The two main exceptions relate to working with children or working with the elderly or sick people. If a person wants to apply for a position that involves working with children or working with the elderly or sick people they are required to reveal all convictions, both spent and unspent.

 

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Dear All,

 

I stumbled on this thread when I was searching for advice; and I have to say that it's been more help than CRB.org.uk!

 

My Boyfriend would like to start working in the nursing field after a horrific traffic accident that meant he couldn't go back to being a tree surgeon.

 

It's been a daunting task trying to find something that he would like to pursue... Anyways, to cut a long story short - He now has his heart set on being a nurse at the tender age of 40!

 

I am really worried about his CRB check as he had a couple of criminal records - a couple of drunk and disorderly, and the main one being threating behaviour back in 1989.

 

Like Joe Bloggs - I really want to know if he would be accepted on to a course and find employment due to his criminal records!

 

I really don't want his dream to be dash after a horrid couple of years trying to get well from his accident and have something to look forward to...

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Hi Jennbeny,

 

A couple of questions, what field of nursing is your boyfriend interested in, and where in the country do you live?

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Hi old_andrew2007,

 

Many Thanks for taking the interst in my thread...

 

He is interested in Adult nursing rather than mental health or children - and hopefully enventually in a couple of years specialise in trauma.

 

We live in London, so he will be looking to study and working in the Greater London area.

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Hi

 

My suggestion is to consider an application for employment as an NA, then after a period of time apply for a secondment to nurse training.

By following this course of action his employer will be aware of his qualities, it will also avoid having a bursary.

 

Andy

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I would assume that the one from 1989 would have dropped off by now as it is over 20 years ago.


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how does it work declaring past convictions that are spent under the rehabilitations of offenders act

 

you fill in a job application

it asks about past convictions

you put no as they are spent

down the line you get sacked for not declaring it

 

how do you know what to declare

 

just for my own curiosity this

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Personally i would declare it but make sure u put the date in and state it maybe spent under the rehab of offenders act.

 

I think it is better to be safe than sorry really.


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how does it work declaring past convictions that are spent under the rehabilitations of offenders act

 

you fill in a job application

it asks about past convictions

you put no as they are spent

down the line you get sacked for not declaring it

 

how do you know what to declare

 

just for my own curiosity this

 

Standard and Enhanced CRB checks ....

Normal average jobs are (if required) always Standard CRB's.

Jobs involving National Security (big area!), employment with old or young persons (classed as vunerable) should normally require enhanced CRB's.

 

The difference: Standard would mean spent convictions need not be declared and no one can come back to you on that one.

Enhanced means nothing is counted as 'spent' and everything from the year dot needs to be declared or will probably show up.

 

Imprisonment for in excess of 2.1/2 years is 'never' classed as spent.

 

Michael


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meny thanks

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It is a fact that many job applicants will have to complete a declaration about previous convictions some people are suprised to discover that for quite a lot of posts an exemption exists, therefore spents convictions need to be declared.

Look at this link its explains better than I have When do I need to disclose my convictions?

 

Andy

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It is a act that many job applicants will have to complete a declaration about previous convictions some people are suprised to discover that for quite a lot of posts an exemption exists, therefore spents convictions need to be declared.

Look at this link its explains better than I have When do I need to disclose my convictions?

 

Andy

 

Thank you for that! Brilliant and I was 'almost' right (probably for the jobs I go for).

Michael


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--I like to be helpful wherever possible however I'm not qualified in this field. I do consider carefully anything important (normally from personal experience) however please understand that any actions taken are at your own risk--

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Thanks andrew thats some help for a friend.


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Hi old_andrew2007,

 

If I read between the lines, do you think that my boyfriend will not have a acceptable CRB check to get on a NVQ course for Nursing ???

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Not at all I argue that seeking employment as a support worker/nursing assistant gives an insight into nursing, the in house training helps with preparation for what is now a university course.

A close friend got stated in this way despite some convictions, I was happy to give a reference.

Maybe I'm naive but I suspect most NHS trusts would look at the person and what they can offer.

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Just to clarify, ALL convictions, including juvenile cautions need to be declared to the university, the employer and the NMC BEFORE they get your CRB check done. While these may not (and probably won't) preclude enrolment on a course/employment/registration, not declaring something more than likely WILL.

 

As far as getting onto a nursing course goes, although getting a job as a HCA/NA will improve your chances of getting onto a course, going down the secondment route isn't the best way in a lot of the time. This is because NHS trusts are limiting the secondments they dish out because of funding issues - plus, applications to study nursing are up because of the recession, so they'll get plenty of newly qualified applicants who they haven't had to pay to train! Where secondments are available, places will be limited and it could take a very long time to be qualified and experienced enough to beat off the competition from other HCAs/NAs.

 

That said (I'm a 3rd year adult nursing student and bank HCA), I would still apply for a bank HCA/NA position as, on top of it looking good on your uni application, it's a great way to make money to supplement your bursary without having to commit to set hours; it gets your face known with ward sisters and matrons - so when you get to the end of your course and start applying for jobs they'll know who you are; and also it helps 'keep your hand in' between placements - you'll be amazed how much you miss the patient contact while on uni blocks!

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You can have a meeting with the UNI CRB officer or whoever may deal with it and talk with them in confidence before applying and ask them if any of what you say will affect an application.

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