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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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been helping a pal against this lot

they are after a charging order

 

to be brief

 

marlin contacted him on behalf of arrow

sent in a cca request

the reply was bog off quoting rankin

week later n1 claim

 

so did the defence and cpr request

 

now i know they have not got the default notice from mbna, this is where it gets interesting

they suplied/arrow, there own default notice to throw me off the scent, fat chance

 

 

mortimer clark have applied for sumary judgement at next week, so time is of an essence

 

 

they are now saying

 

WHEN THEY WERE ASSIGNED THE ACCOUNT FROM MBNA, THE ACCOUNT WAS NOT TERMINATED SO MBNA DID NOT HAVE TO ISSUE A DEFAULT NOTICE

 

 

EXCUSE ME

 

FOR AN ACCOUNT TO BE ASSIGNED TO A DCA, THE ACCOUNT HAS TO BE FIRST DEFAULTED BY THE ORIGINAL CREDITOR, THEN ITS TERMINATED AND SOLD ON TO A DCA

 

NEED TO DRAFT A QUICK LETTER TO MORTIMER CLARK TELLING THEM, SEE YOU IN COURT

 

COMMENTS PLEASE AS URGENT

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It depends whether Arrow bought the account. If it wasn't bought it might just have been assigned for collection in which case MBNA wouldn't have had to issue a Default Notice. You are right that it would have to have been defaulted then terminated if they wanted to sell it on.

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Going Through His Docs Sent By Mortimer Clark

 

A Letter From Arow Globel To Mr X Dated 3 July Saying Mbna Debt Has Been Assigned To Them Effective 24 April

 

So Arrow Have Confirmed Debt Has Been Assigned To Them

 

Letter Dated 3 July From Arrow Default Notice From Arrow, Arrow Have Defaulted The Account

 

Letter Dated 21 July

Arrow Have Terminated The Account

 

I Could Have Knocked Up This Lot On My Pc

 

So Assigned The Account 24 April

Defaulted Letter Dated 3 July

 

Termination Letter Dated 21 July

 

Very Neat

 

 

So Under The Cpr Request

Still No Notice Of Assignment From Mbna To Mr X

No Deed Of Assignment/ Realy Like To Look At That One

 

Its All On Mortimer Clark Paper

Smell A Rat

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I Still Cant Get My Head Around This Biz Of An Account Being Assigned To A Dca Where The Original Creditor Does Not Have To Default Or Terminate An Agreement Prior To Selling An Account

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been helping a pal against this lot

they are after a charging order

 

to be brief

 

marlin contacted him on behalf of arrow

sent in a cca request

the reply was bog off quoting rankin

week later n1 claim

 

so did the defence and cpr request

 

now i know they have not got the default notice from mbna, this is where it gets interesting

they suplied/arrow, there own default notice to throw me off the scent, fat chance

 

 

mortimer clark have applied for sumary judgement at next week, so time is of an essence

 

 

they are now saying

 

WHEN THEY WERE ASSIGNED THE ACCOUNT FROM MBNA, THE ACCOUNT WAS NOT TERMINATED SO MBNA DID NOT HAVE TO ISSUE A DEFAULT NOTICE

 

 

EXCUSE ME

 

FOR AN ACCOUNT TO BE ASSIGNED TO A DCA, THE ACCOUNT HAS TO BE FIRST DEFAULTED BY THE ORIGINAL CREDITOR, THEN ITS TERMINATED AND SOLD ON TO A DCA

 

NEED TO DRAFT A QUICK LETTER TO MORTIMER CLARK TELLING THEM, SEE YOU IN COURT

 

COMMENTS PLEASE AS URGENT

 

as far as i am aware a debt can be sold "in any condition" live or dead and does not have to be defaulted by the OC before it can be soid"

 

the default notice must have the name and address of the owner of the debt on it when it is issued.

 

as far as i am aware, if a debt is assigned with a default notice issued the new owner can (prior to the agreement being terminated) issue another DN or serve a termination on the existing DN he bought with the debt

 

but if he does issue a termination notice (or claim the the full amount of the account or commence proceedings for the balance - all of which amount to termination then he is bound by the contents of the original DN as if he had issued it himself.

 

if he has not issued a new DN himself and he denies being bound by the original OC's DN then he is admitting by default that that he has terminated without a DN

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where they fall is here

 

to sell an account to the likes of Arrow means that by design the account terminates as Arrow do not lend money so cannot continue the account if any default is remedied within the default time frame,

 

 

so i think they may have a bit of trouble myself

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where they fall is here

 

to sell an account to the likes of Arrow means that by design the account terminates as Arrow do not lend money so cannot continue the account if any default is remedied within the default time frame,

 

 

so i think they may have a bit of trouble myself

 

ah yes i take your point that one has to be authorised ( sorry i assumed that was a given) if buying a live or unterminated debt but i think many purchasers of debt are now covering themselves and are getting themselves licenced

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where they fall is here

 

to sell an account to the likes of Arrow means that by design the account terminates as Arrow do not lend money so cannot continue the account if any default is remedied within the default time frame,

 

 

so i think they may have a bit of trouble myself

 

whilst your'e around PT can you help me out on another thread i have given advice on

 

do bank hoilidays get discounted when counting the 14 calendar days in a DN ( i know about the service but not sure about the counting days)

 

i rather suspect they may be counted in the 14 days but not sure!

 

thanks

 

dick

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pt

 

ive gone down thr route ref the default notice and 14 days

 

m/clarks reoly was

 

IT IS ALSO DENIED THE DEFENDANT WAS NOT GIVEN 14 CLEAR DAYS.

THE DEFAULT WAS SERVED ON A SATURDAY 5 JULY AND WAS REQUIRED TO RESPOND BY 20 JULY, THUS GIVING 14 DAYS

 

THE CIVIL PROCEDURE RULES WERE AMMENDED ON THE 1 OCTOBER 2008 HOWEVER, PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS ACCEPTED THAT DOCUMENTS COULD BE DEEMED SERVED ON A SATURDAY

 

BLOW THAT OUT OF THE WATER WILL YOU PT OR DIDDYDICKY

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Ref The Agreement

 

The Agreement Does Not Have To Show An Ammount Of Credit As Its A Running Account Credit Agreement Under Sec 10a Of The Cca

 

The Ammount Of Credit Is For A Fixed Sum Agreement

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you (they) say that it was served on saturday 5th july

 

was it served by hand?, recorded delivery, courier? ordinary post? what was the date on the letter itself, was it the 3rd , 4th or before?

 

who is to provide evidence of when it was put in the post.

 

who is to provide evidence that it was delivered on saturday

 

Is there a record on the creditors system confirming when the letter was posted (it is not unusual with a big company for a letter to be posted the next day after it is written due to their internal mailroom procedures

 

If this letter was dated 3rd or 4th i would be wanting to put the creditor to strict proof of posting

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Ref The Agreement

 

The Agreement Does Not Have To Show An Ammount Of Credit As Its A Running Account Credit Agreement Under Sec 10a Of The Cca

 

The Ammount Of Credit Is For A Fixed Sum Agreement

 

but it has to contain a statement as to what the agreed credit limit is or how it is arrived at

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Letter Was Dated 3

 

Its All On Plain Paper

Even The Default Notice Is Crap As At The Top It Does Not Contain The Creditors Name And Address

 

Ime Thinking This Was A Quick Knock Up Job After The Defence Went In

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also have you checked to see if arrow hold (held at the time) a consumer credit licence since if they do(did) not then the DN would be defective by virtue of the fact that they could not legally offer the debtor the opportunity to rectify the breach, because if he did so then it would be as if the breach had never occurred

 

that is to say if he rectified the breach within the time limit given then the agreement would continue to be in force

 

however if arrow do not have a licence to operate as a running credit provider then clearly the debtor cannot enjoy the benefits of the agreement as if the breach had not occurred IMO

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Letter Was Dated 3

 

Its All On Plain Paper

Even The Default Notice Is Crap As At The Top It Does Not Contain The Creditors Name And Address

 

Ime Thinking This Was A Quick Knock Up Job After The Defence Went In

 

any chance of posting it up!

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Hi,

Sorry for poking my nose in but I am dealing with Marlin/ Mortimer Clark at the moment attempting to get a CCJ set aside and their paperwork is a little suspect to say the least...

 

In the respnse to my SAR I have received a copy of a Default notice which states an earlier date of origin to the one I have in my possession.. they have actually dated it to fit in the 14 day timeslot... still flawed anyway.:p

 

And a Notice of assignment from the OC that gives a different name altogether to the alleged new owners who Marlin are acting on behalf of...

 

All their paperwork bears scrutiny... It is decidely shoddy and it appears to be like someone putting together a jigsaw who cuts the piece to make them fit..

 

Just my observations ...

 

I would recommend a SAR to Marlin and a SAR to OC because in my experience the information received is very contradictory.

 

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