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    • Hi slick!    On 22 July they said they would refund me £74.07 Theres no DD in place as my membership was a once off payment in November last year.  Hi Dx,    I paid through PayPal last year as a one off payment. 
    • I'm trying to understand it all but I certainly tend to agree with my colleague @dx100uk that it looks as if you may have been taken for a ride. You found an advertisement for a bag on an online sales site. Instead of going through the established procedure of that site, which presumably allows them to recover a commission from the seller you started dealing directly with the seller who is an unknown person to you and of course that allowed the seller to avoid paying the commission. At whose suggestion was it that you went off-site? You then pay by PayPal but instead of logging it with PayPal as a payment for a purchased item, you tell PayPal that it was actually simply a gift or transaction between friends and family. This also allowed the seller to avoid paying a PayPal fee on the money. At whose suggestion was it that you paid in this way?       I don't say that you definitely have been scammed, but it doesn't look very good. This is how it might have happened: after you agreed to take the transaction off-site, so you lost the protection of the established system – and the seller avoided the commission and also avoided the sales site knowing that they had sold their item, you then agreed to pay the seller some money – but not for a purchase – simply as a gift. This has two consequences. Firstly, the seller avoids a PayPal fee and secondly, because PayPal has been misled as to the purpose of the payment, you lose the protection of PayPal if it turns out that you've been scammed or there is some other problem with the transaction. The seller then apparently sent you the parcel and they sent you pictures of a package with your address on it. Separately they sent you a Hermes tracking number – but there is no evidence that the package was actually posted to your address. The seller might simply have taken a picture with your address and sent that to you by way of reassurance – and then changed the label and posted the parcel to themselves but sent you a tracking number which is inaccessible to you and in respect of which you will be prevented from getting any information. All you've seen is a parcel with your address on it. All you've been given is a tracking number which satisfied you for a while until the parcel did not arrive and then when you started to make enquiries, you found that you were unable to access any details referring to the tracking number. Of course the tracking number says that the item was delivered – because maybe it was – but in that case it was delivered to the address on the parcel which might have been the seller's own address – or the address of a friend. I don't want to say that this is definitely how it happened, but it is a plausible scenario. Of course Hermes is an awful lot of parcels – but on the other hand I expect that most of the parcel is that going to Hermes hands are delivered successfully. We only get the bad stories on this forum. I can imagine that Hermes rate of successful deliveries is better than 97% because otherwise people wouldn't simply just hate them, they would go out of business.   We can help you bring a complaint against Hermes if you want. However, on the basis of what you say, the odds are stacked against you but it would be useful to try and find out the address which was associated with tracking number. As far as your apparent willingness to travel hundred and 50 miles to ask for your money back, don't bother. If you did actually go there, are you sure that the seller actually lives at the address that you have been given? What evidence do you have that? Of course if you found that the seller didn't reside at that address then it is slamdunk that you have been scammed. But then what are you going to do? You can try to inform the police but of course it won't get you anywhere. You can inform the sales website – but they will say that you brought it on yourself because you agreed to go off-site. You can inform PayPal – that they will say that because you sent the money which was calculated to avoid their fees, you have lost the protection. If you travelled the 150 miles and found that the seller did reside at that address, do you really think that they are going to hand your money over to you? If they are acting dishonestly then they will simply say that it is nothing to do with them, that they addressed it all correctly and they don't understand what has happened and that this is simply Hermes up to their old tricks. What are you going to do? You simply risk getting into a very nasty argument and depending on how bad it went, you might even find that the police are called and I'm afraid that they would be looking at you – not the seller. Maybe you can answer the questions that I've post above as to who it is who initiated the various ways of doing business.    
    • The legal campaign's going well then. The recount in Wisconsin gave Trump more votes but Biden even more, at a cost of $3m. And a donor to the organisation bringing the failed cases is suing to get his $2.5m back.   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/joe-biden-gains-votes-in-wisconsin-county-after-trump-ordered-recount
    • Yes Unicorn feed tax again, can't sue the keeper for more than the Original Charge, so any additional Debt Collection fees aka the £60 they add is abuse,iof process as per HHJ Harvey at Lewes county Court What lookedinfroinfo is indicating is that the main signage on entry and dotted around is merely an " Invitation to Treat", not the offer, the Offer and Acceptance occurs at the payment machine, so wording there is key.
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eBay & iQor - Under 18 - Help Please :)

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I have quite a few websites that I own that dont have any income streams, but I would like to do one that can earn me a little bit of money to see me some luxuries etc. but cant because all merchants require 18+

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You could be held liable for damages under misrepresentation/fraud but as you effectively cancelled the account and contract it's unlikely they would be able to enforce anything.

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Just got this back from Consumer Direct:



Thank you for your enquiry to Consumer Direct dated XX/06/2009. Your reference number for this case is XXXXXXXX and should be quoted in all further correspondence regarding this case.


From your email it appears you are trying to determine what your next course of action should be after, being threatened with court action by a debt collection agency, despite being a minor.

Based on the information you have provided the key legal points in response to your enquiry are as follows:


First I would clarify that only a court could order anyone to pay a debt. To get such an order the claimant (e.g. the collection agency) must provide proof that you owe a debt, and that they are entitled to recover that debt.


Generally speaking, consumers will be bound by the contract they have entered with the trader. There are some exceptions to this rule - minors being one of them. Someone aged under 18 can only be bound under certain contracts, e.g. for 'necessaries' or 'beneficial contracts of service'. These might be thought of in terms of the types of things it is normal for such persons to buy. The most obvious might be things like sweets or bus travel to school, although nowadays the scope of these might be broader and include things like computer games or mobile phone credit.


At this stage, as you particular situation could become complex, we would consider referring the case to Trading Standards for further advice and, if possible, assistance. To do this we would need the consent of an appropriate adult (i.e parent or guardian) your full address and telephone number as any assistance would come from your local Trading Standards authority.

Therefore if you could ask and appropriate adult to contact Consumer Direct quoting the case reference number, we should be able to arrange further advice and possible assistance.

Thank you for your enquiry.


I shall follow their advice and update you in due course :)

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A lot of people that work for Consumer Direct come from Trading Standards backgrounds and reply is correct.


Did you declare tax on your 'earnings'? One thing you should know is that it's not uncommon for adults to sign up and then try to pass it off as a contract made by their children which they were unaware of and are not liable for. They've heard it all before and in a recent case a person was prosecuted for selling goods on E-Bay that they didn't have but tried to blame their teenage son. It didn't take long to track the money down and the process involved.

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Any update on this Parsons? I am following with intrigue.:)



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Hi Freaky & Guys/Gals :)


Sorry not updated this, been busy doing other things amongst getting advice about this, I contacted TS and they made contact with iQor to inform them that the case is now udner investigation, and that I'm under 18. Apparently they are being co-operative...funny now that an official body gets involved they play by the book.


They also going to investigate into eBay/PayPal regarding their duty to ensure members are over age and the user policies on accounts such as DP procedures.


Will update you in due course, as soon as I get news :D

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