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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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**UPDATE**

 

As promised....

 

Received first letter from Graham White Solicitors.

 

NOTICE OF INTENDED LEGAL ACTION

 

You were written to by NCP LIMITED and their agent Roxburghe requesting the settlement of a Parking Contravention Charge Notice. Due to the absence of payment, or a valid appeal, our client has instructed us to proceed to legal action to recover the amount due.

 

Therefore, it is a legal requirement to send a notice of INTENDED LITIGATION before legal proceedings are issued in the County Court. This letter fulfils this requirement.

 

Take note: the costs associated with issuing a claim is as follows.

Claim issue fee. £30.00

Solicitors costs for issuing claim. £50.00

Judgement Costs. £25.00

Warrant issue fee. £35.00

Solicitors Costs for Issuing Warrant. £2.25

Total additional costs £142.25

 

Any judgement registered against you could seriously affect your chances of obtaining credit in the future, as this information can be made available to any interested parties via the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines, and remains on there for 6 years.

 

In the event of a Judgement Order not being adhered to, we may instruct Bailiffs to attend at your address who are authorised to seize goods for sale at public auction in the amount claimed plus all Statutory Interest.

 

Please contact us with your proposals for settlement within 7 days to avoid the possibility of this action.

 

Yours Sincerely

Michael Sobell

 

 

All capitals and bold text is theirs....!

 

So....let's recap, at my last update according to them I owed £90, this has now potentially risen to £232.25.

 

I'm still holding my nerve and sticking with the advice on here, ...watch this space.

 

PS

Apparently these solicitors are regulated by the Solicitors Regualation Authority, are they not interested in websites like ours ? :cool:

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has anyone ever just sent loads and loads of annoying letters back quoting little bits at a time just for a laugh?

 

Wonder what the most funny letter ever sent back is!

 

You know the ones like you get on email of a little old lady of 104 giving it full humerous wack!

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  • 3 weeks later...

**Latest Update**

OK guys and girls......

2nd letter from Graham White... The more observant among you may have worked out, ... that despite ominous threats giving me 7 days before the end of my world!... they sent the second letter 14 days later !!

Ok down to business..

Usual headings and legit looking legal stuff at the top about clients, "legal" reference numbers, bar code and telephone number. total amount due £90(they seem to have forgotten that the last missive added on lots of scary extras and had me up to ~£200+ !! )

It begins...

FINAL WARNING

TAKE NOTICE that despite many attempts to obtain payment from you, you have chosen to withhold settlement of the amount as stated above.

We have already fulfilled all legal requirements in relation to commencing litigation.

If you are in doubt as to the seriousness of this situation you should seek independent legal advice, as the consequences of litigation can be far reaching, such as:

-Substantial legal costs and statutory interest being added to your debt

-Your name being listed on the Register of Judgements affecting your chances of further credit in the future

-Seizure of your assets by Bailiffs

-An order to obtain information from judgement debtor

It is your responsibility to repay this account to us immediately, and we put you on notice that we shall refer the matter in seven days.

Please be assured this matter will not go away without solution or resolution.

If you do not wish to incur the consequences of Court Action, you must pay the amount claimed immediately. If you cannot pay the full amount, or you have a valid defence to this claim, you should call this office without further delay.

Yours Sincerely

Michael Sobell

Solicitor

OK folks according to those in the know this is the last I'll hear from them.... let's hope so.

I am rapidly losing my sense of humour over this, it is upsetting and worrying my wife, and after it is all over I may ask some of the experts on here to help me make a formal complaint to the police, there must be some law breaking going on here regarding intimidation, false pretences, menaces etc.

Big thanks to all... watch this space.

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"it is a legal requirement to send a notice of INTENDED LITIGATION " anyone ever written back and asked them to quote the reference for this requirement ? :)[/quote

 

 

'Intended litigation' is just another term for a LBA (Letter Before Action) & IS a CPR requirement

 

Mr Sobell appears to be a sole practitioner

 

The Law Society - Find a solicitor

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I just received my first letter from Graham White. If it wasn't for this forum I would have capitulated earlier.

 

They have indicated that I should contact them with my "proposal for settlement within 7 days ...". The cost is now £142.25. The letter and amount are exactly the same as 5printst.

 

Does anyone know how may tickets are issued at Ely station, or if there is a legal route to demand that information?

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The cost is now £142.25.

 

£7.75 Cheaper than eating at a certain MacDonalds (am at a similar stage with latest one and am awaiting GW's communication)

 

Does anyone know how may tickets are issued at Ely station

 

Quite a few I would guess but hopefully many of those caught will find this forum and there will grinding and knashing of teeth at the PPC's offices :lol:

 

They must really hate this forum as I am sure they must monitor it trying to correlate postings with potential victims :!:

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They must really hate this forum as I am sure they must monitor it trying to correlate postings with potential victims :!:

You're probably right about them lurking and they are not the only ones.

 

There are a number of PPC's who lurk on these forums, on MSE and Pepipoo with the sole intention of trapping the unwary.

 

There is a sticky about this: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/179619-careful-what-details-documents.html

 

Anyone posting on this forum should read and consider this sticky before posting anything related to a PPC on this forum.

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This does not constitute legal advice and is not represented as a substitute for legal advice from an appropriately qualified person or firm.

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OK All -As the Original Poster of this thread -

Nothing Happened at all !! the world didn't end, I didn't lose all my worldly possessions, I didn't lose my kneecaps ...etc etc.

 

Everything worked EXACTLY as the experts on here said it would, my last update was September 2009, it's now March 2010 ...I think we're done here. Nothing more to say.

 

For all the doubting Thomas' please read this thread fully.

 

Thanks to ALL for your support.

 

PS Could the moderator please amend this thread to put this final post at the top to encourage people to read it and be assured the advice works if you just stick at it.

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My god 5printst, I had just read your thread. if you read my thread http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/251972-parking-notice-brookwood-railway.html#post2829463

 

you will realise I am now starting today the journery you started on 15th May 2009 last year when you got your penalty fine.

 

Exactly the same infringement (at another car park) - bought a valid ticket but parked in a season holders bay.

 

I am so much more confident of just ignoring everything now!!! Thank you thank you thank you! I will keep my own thread updated with the same information you have provided so others can track that too.

 

Thank you!

Z

 

 

p.s. just a thought - what is "Register of Judgements" and can you check if indeed your name is now listed on it as per the last solicitors letter?

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Oh and I'd just like to add that if on the small tiny chance that the person reading this is one of these guys that puts parking notice's on cars - you are a loser.

 

You have a tiny existance in life where you can do whatever you want to do and be whoever you want to be with some effort - but if you actually chose to do a job like this, then I think I pity you.

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Well,

 

I got the following notice, having paid and displayed the ticket but seemingly parked in a permit bay on a SUNDAY when it wouldn't even be used by permit holders in any number. I wasn't aware I'd parked there and although they were markings on the floor they were not in a good state of repair.

 

NOTICE OF BREACH OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PARKING AT A CAR PARK OWNED OR MANAGED BY NATIONAL CAR PARKS LIMITED

 

Location: Shenfield Station SP

Contravention: Parking in a permit bay without clearly displaying a valid permit

Parking Convention Charge of £75 is now payable within 28 days. A discounted amount of £50 will be accepted as full and final settlement if received within 14 days.

 

I'm sitting tight on the advice here, and successful conclusion it seems!

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