ACS:Law copyright file sharing claims, Gallant Macmillan - and probably some others along the way...

[multi]

You said ISPs.

 

so it's just the one then?

 

The TalkTalk group includes several ISPs.

[multi]

Like I said previously, good luck to people in trying to find an ISP who wont cough up when ordered.

 

That doesn't make sense. The date of infringement has been given as when he was with Talk Talk. Looks like your foot stomping has come to nothing and you're still with an ISP who coughs. Whatcha gonna do now?

 

Looks like at some point Talk Talk coughed. They might have stopped coughing now but it appears they have history.

 

 

I'm wondering what interest you have in this. You have a very odd attitude. You also apparently seem to think you have all of the facts. You don't and your insistence on proving an erroneous point in the face of clear statements and evidence to the contrary is tiring.

 

The key facts here will be the date of the NPO and the internal processes followed during the takeover.

 

As I have said several times now, ACS and TBI send letters to ISPs asking them not to challenge the forthocming NPO. TalkTalk respond to this letter with a negative. If the previous ISP already said they wouldn't challenge the NPO, then TalkTalk *would* be in contempt of court. They'd have no choice but to follow through.

 

Also, you have no idea how long the existing ISPs legal team were in place after the changeover. You have no idea of the internal policy being followed over this sort of thing. It is hardly mind bending to imagine that they'd keep them the same until they had a look around the business and would see how best to change things gradually so the existing staff are all up to speed.

 

When a company buys another company it is *very* unusual for every single minutiae of policy to change instantly. Especially when they're the size of Tiscali / TalkTalk. Stop pretending it isn't.

 

Furthermore, the point isn't whether they *have* rolled over or not (we know they have, and they openly admit they did) but whether they *will* in the future. They have not rolled over for any recent orders and have publicly stated that they will not in the future. By all means be sceptical - and if they do roll over then be outraged. In the mean time, stop being so indefensibly obtuse about it.

[Caimbeul]

@ Multi - Do you know when they publicly said they would not?

[Shaggy123]

 

I'm wondering what interest you have in this. You have a very odd attitude. You also apparently seem to think you have all of the facts. You don't and your insistence on proving an erroneous point in the face of clear statements and evidence to the contrary is tiring.

 

The key facts here will be the date of the NPO and the internal processes followed during the takeover.

 

As I have said several times now, ACS and TBI send letters to ISPs asking them not to challenge the forthocming NPO. TalkTalk respond to this letter with a negative. If the previous ISP already said they wouldn't challenge the NPO, then TalkTalk *would* be in contempt of court. They'd have no choice but to follow through.

 

Also, you have no idea how long the existing ISPs legal team were in place after the changeover. You have no idea of the internal policy being followed over this sort of thing. It is hardly mind bending to imagine that they'd keep them the same until they had a look around the business and would see how best to change things gradually so the existing staff are all up to speed.

 

When a company buys another company it is *very* unusual for every single minutiae of policy to change instantly. Especially when they're the size of Tiscali / TalkTalk. Stop pretending it isn't.

 

Furthermore, the point isn't whether they *have* rolled over or not (we know they have, and they openly admit they did) but whether they *will* in the future. They have not rolled over for any recent orders and have publicly stated that they will not in the future. By all means be sceptical - and if they do roll over then be outraged. In the mean time, stop being so indefensibly obtuse about it.

 

Translation: I work for Talk Talk.

[angrydebtor]

Have these acs rogues still not been shut down yet?

[multi]

Translation: I work for Talk Talk.

 

 

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

 

Very good. But keep taking the pills.

 

(Oh, BTW I can be unthinking and come to a knee-jerk conclusion as well:

 

Translation: I work for ACS:law)

[Shaggy123]

 

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

 

Very good. But keep taking the pills.

 

(Oh, BTW I can be unthinking and come to a knee-jerk conclusion as well:

 

Translation: I work for ACS:law)

 

Do people often just walk away while you are talking to them?

[n11186]

Translation: I work for Talk Talk.

And i thought you worked with scooby doo never mind only joking m8 but why are you getting so high rate over my choice or your choice of isp? or any one else come to that, just take a big deep breath and chill we are all here to help each other not argue against each other. Edited March 15, 2010 by n11186

[whereswally]

BBC1 panarama.

 

Stick it on now, it's about the digital economy bill.

[Shaggy123]

And i thought you worked with scooby doo never mind only joking m8 but why are you getting so high rate over my choice or your choice of isp? or any one else come to that, just take a big deep breath and chill we are all here to help each other not argue against each other.

 

Yeah, you're right.

[Caimbeul]

BBC1 panarama.

 

Stick it on now, it's about the digital economy bill.

How was it? - I have recorded it but have yet to watch it.

[Shaggy123]

How was it? - I have recorded it but have yet to watch it.

 

Hardly worth bothering with tbh. The letters were briefly touched on but very little mention of the process of these letters.

 

I was impressed with the guy from Talk Talk though.

[andydd]

Hardly worth bothering with tbh. The letters were briefly touched on but very little mention of the process of these letters.

 

I was impressed with the guy from Talk Talk though.

 

Yeah..TT was good, and |I thought that it may be a good selling point for them in the future, they arnt going to roll over and hand out your details to any tom dick and harry..(or andrew !).

 

The 'tech guy' bit was crap, he did nothing techinical apart from look and see what films people had on their PC's and his wifi hacking bit was not realistic !

 

I had to laugh when Scooter popped up, we all knew what was coming next but I noticed they blurred out the name on the letter (ACS Law ?).

 

Andy

[multi]

I had to laugh when Scooter popped up, we all knew what was coming next but I noticed they blurred out the name on the letter (ACS Law ?).

 

Andy

 

That was a bit bizarre...

 

I know Davenport Lyons (and particularly ACS law) can be a bit quick to jump to threats of legal action but it's not as if DL haven't been featured on the Beeb, and ACS don't actually send out the letters.

 

Very odd.

[whereswally]

 

BBC News - Lords pass controversial internet piracy bill

 

Digital rights bill passed.

 

People are grouping together to fight it here (booking day off work to make the most of it, but it's early evening).

 

Open Rights Group | Stop Disconnection without trial

 

ORG plans Digital Economy Bill protest | Games Industry | MCV

[multi]

 

BBC News - Lords pass controversial internet piracy bill

 

Digital rights bill passed.

 

People are grouping together to fight it here (booking day off work to make the most of it, but it's early evening).

 

Open Rights Group | Stop Disconnection without trial

 

ORG plans Digital Economy Bill protest | Games Industry | MCV

 

Slightly ambiguously worded article from the BBC there. It's been passed by the lords but the commons are yet to have heir bite of the apple. Progress of the bill can be tracked here: http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2009-10/digitaleconomy.html A date doesn't appear to have been set for it's commons debut.

 

Having said that a lot of people seem determined to push this lot through before the election. There is a real danger that the debate will be severely limited and there will instead be discussions between a select few frontenchers. There is advice on the Slyck thread (google it) about this topic with a list of who you need to write to to outline your views.

Edited March 16, 2010 by multi

[andydd]

 

BBC News - Lords pass controversial internet piracy bill

 

Digital rights bill passed.

 

People are grouping together to fight it here (booking day off work to make the most of it, but it's early evening).

 

Open Rights Group | Stop Disconnection without trial

 

ORG plans Digital Economy Bill protest | Games Industry | MCV

 

 

"But despite criticism, the government said it was still committed to giving courts the power to block websites which are infringing copyright."

 

EErr..How..?. They are nearly not based in the UK ..or are we gonnma end up with net police like in China.

 

Heres my prediction, in a few years time the internet will be totally screwed up and unusable, you won't be able to access any illegal downloads, any copyrighted material, anything pornographic or viewed offensive, websites will be like papers..gagged at every turn, no stories about footballers and their affairs, no stories like MP's expenses, we will end up with a totally sanitized controlled internet, controlled and manipulated by the party in power,...you read it here first...

 

That is the way its heading !

 

Andy

[n11186]

please all join my protest do not vote for any main political parties at the next general election (PLEASE) this will be the only thing what will make them sit up and listen,:confused:

[unclebulgaria67]

i Thought This Thread Was About Acs:law ?

 

I Was Not Aware That They Were Standing For Election.

[Andre78]

Hi there,

 

Few days ago I have received a letter in the post from ACS law accusing me of download pornography movie on 27/07/09 via BitTorrent/Emule. They acting for Media CAT.

 

In the letter they have recorded "my" IP address and have requested £495 in payment in 21 days. They state if I do not pay I face legal and court action. The letter looks like a photocopy including the court order for the IP address.

I have phoned my provider O2 and they said that they have not received anything from ACS LAW regarding my IP address and request for my details.

 

Please can someone advise me on the best thing to do?

 

Many Thanks

 

Andy.

[andydd]

i Thought This Thread Was About Acs:law ?

 

I Was Not Aware That They Were Standing For Election.

 

Although The Pirate (Bay) Party did and did quite well

[unclebulgaria67]

In all seriousness, this thread is supposed to be about ACS:Law and associated matters.

 

If I were new to CAG and wanted information to help me, I think I might be put off by the number of posts which are general chit chat.

 

Perhaps someone who knows what the current situation is with this, can add a post to summarise where we are.

 

Then if people can resist the temptation to add any posts, until there is NEW information.

 

Constantly adding posts and having a separate folder for ACS:Law is giving these monkeys publicity they do not deserve.

[n11186]

Although The Pirate (Bay) Party did and did quite well

Yes it is about ACS Law but to get ACS stoped we need some one in power what will actually listen to the general public and stop this, it seams to me that the powers 2B only listen to people with big fat bank accounts.

[Scooby Doo69]

Let's be crystal clear here, this is not about ACS Law.

 

Remove them and you will find another law firm to take their place like what happened with Davenport Lyons. Don't forget we now also have TBI.

 

But, these law firms are only the messengers. Regardless of the strokes they pull, without a company behind them supplying the "evidence" and a Customer signing away on the dotted line to go after the golden goose, ACS and Co wouldn't have any bullets to fire.

 

What needs to be addressed is the whole process of this new form of ambulance chasing.

 

ACS are only one link in the whole process that stinks to high heaven...

 

[Huff&Puff]

Hi there,

 

Few days ago I have received a letter in the post from ACS law accusing me of download pornography movie on 27/07/09 via BitTorrent/Emule. They acting for Media CAT.

 

In the letter they have recorded "my" IP address and have requested £495 in payment in 21 days. They state if I do not pay I face legal and court action. The letter looks like a photocopy including the court order for the IP address.

I have phoned my provider O2 and they said that they have not received anything from ACS LAW regarding my IP address and request for my details.

 

Please can someone advise me on the best thing to do?

 

Many Thanks

 

Andy.

 

Send a single letter of denial, then ignore everything else that they send in reply. If they do send court papers we will give you loads of help to defend, but so far they have not taken anyone to court who has sent an LoD, and it's highly unlikly that they ever will IMO.