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    • Hi Guys,   Following in from my 17 page thread, that dates back over ten years, I am starting a new thread, at the suggestion of the site team. My issue relates the a) service charges relating to the Leasehold flat I bought back in 2006 b) a Managing Agent who is of questionable abilities as a manager of our block of flats. The Managing Agent has claimed £6k in fees to which (I think, as does the new Landlord) he was not entitled. I am wanting to get it back, and/or the fees on my account calculating properly which would leave me with a credit balance.  I am recently in receipt of a 4th claim relating to this dispute, with two of the previous three going 'no where'. The other one they won in default on 2011, but I successfully had that set-aside.They have not given me the money back though. It all started due to poor management of the block, and it transpired upon scrutiny that the management arrangements appear to be unenforceable prior to 2014. It's very complicated. This information is required simply posted, and not as a PDF, so here goes:   1.       BlurredFX Service Charge Saga 2.       Sept 2006 a.       In 2006 BFX buys a leasehold flat. His solicitor advises him that Ground Rent is payable to Landlord-one and Service Charges are payable, but to be wary of the service charges, as he is unable to confirm how they are being administrated. b.       BFX is sent a bill for service charges from PQR Managing Agent. BFX enquires as the legitimacy of the service charges, but is unable to get a satisfactory answer. The service charge requests are not complicit with the required legislation – such as the name of the Landlord. They are served in the name of ABC Management Company Ltd c/o PQR Managing Agents. c.       ABC Management Company has two Directors, both residents of the block in which BFX resides and to which this dispute relates. d.       Landlord-one is absent, except for Ground Rent requests. 3.       2006-2009 a.       Despite written and verbal requests, BFX refuses to pay any service charges until ABC Management Company are properly authorised by Landlord-one – because without such, he has no recourse or way to complain. b.       Demands are not complicit with the legislation. c.       The property was not properly maintained. For example, the lease obligations for an internal redecoration every five years had no been met. The obligations to maintain the exterior of the had not been met, and the timber double glazing was starting to rot quite badly. 4.       2008/2009/2010 a.       TUV Managing Agent Ltd buys out PQR Managing Agent (a sole trader, I believe). They seem to operate interchangeably for a few years, using different headed paper along the way. They seem to be interchangeable. It is the same personnel. 5.       June 2009 a.       TUV Managing Agent LTD, on behalf of ABC Management Company Ltd, file a court claim against BFX. [CLAIM2009] b.       BFX asks them to fully particularise their claim, including asking for details of who authorised them to manage the building and various other pertinent questions. 6.       10th August 2009 a.       BFX sends CPR18 – request for information to TUV Managinig Agent c/o ABC Management Company 7.       2009 a.       Hearing is scheduled for Jan 2010 [CLAIM2009] 8.       February 2010 a.       There is a hearing. b.       Ref: [CLAIM2009] c.       From the Court: IT IS ORDERED THAT the claim be stayed to enable the Parties to endeavour to reach a settlement if no application is made to restore by Tuesday 6th April 2010, the claim be struck out 9.       24th March 2010 a.       TUV Managing Agent sends BFX an agreement to sign, agreeing to pay. BFX does not sign the document. 10.   2010 – 30th or 31st March 2010 a.       BFX attends a meeting with a Director of ABC Management Company and Director of TUV Managing Agent. b.       BFX outlines his position, and suggests a verbal agreement to pay from 2006-2010 once the management of the block is properly administrated – my preference being the ‘RTM route’. c.       The other people at the meeting do not appear to understand. 11.   1st April 2010 a.       TUV Managing Agent on behalf of ABC Management Company write to the Court, asking that the claim be restored, claiming BFX has remained silent. b.       Notice of allocation from the Court, dated 15th April, for a hearing in July. 12.   July 2010 a.       On the day, a lady at the Court informs BFX that TUV Managing Agent has been on the phone, and said that BFX has paid the money and to cancel the hearing. b.       BFX had not paid any money at all. c.       Nothing more is heard of [CLAIM2009] 13.   6th October 2010 a.       ABC Management Co c/o TUV Managing Agent send a letter, after the Freehold Reversion of BFX’s block comes up for sale. TUV Managing Agent outline three options – do nothing, RTM, or buy the freehold. b.       BFX opines that it is not good advice, but is ignored. 14.   December 2010 a.       BFX’s health starts to visibly deteriorate. 15.   Late April 2011 a.       BFX is blue-lighted into the regional hospital, as witnessed by Director of ABC Management Company. 16.   Early May 2011 a.       TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company, commence a new claim against BFX – literally within a week or so of BFX going into Hospital! b.       This is [CLAIM2011] 17.   August 2011 a.       TUV Managing Agent and ABC Management Company are awarded Judgement in Default. b.       BFX remains critically ill in Hospital. 18.   September 2011 a.       Letter from BFX’s Mortgage Company-One to BFX b.       “We have been advised by TUV Managing Agent that your Ground Rent and Service Charges of £6k-ish has not been paid.” Iy goes on to say pay them. 19.   September 2011 a.       In reference to [CLAIM2011] a letter from TUV Managing Agent to BFX’s Mortgage Company-One states: b.       “As the managing agents of BFX’s Block, I write to advise you that your client, BFX, is in severe arrears and therefore is in breach of his lease. c.       “A County Court Judgement was served on August 2011 in the sum of £6k-ish. A Copy of the Judgement is enclosed for your reference. d.       “I therefore request that this payment is now made in full by your client within 21 days, failure to do so will result in further action being taken and a Section 146Notice [sic] being served on Mr Piggin” 20.   October 2011 a.       Letter from TUV Managing Agent to BFX’s Mortgage Company-One states: b.       “Further to your letter of 25th October 2011, please find below the details of the bank account to make payment of the outstanding service charge and ground rent for the above property” [BFX’s property] c.       Mortgage Company-one makes a payment to ABC Management Co c/o TUV Managing Agent, for the claim amount. 21.   January 2012 a.       Landlord-one sells his freehold to Landlord-two. BFX receives a letter from Landlord-one’s solicitor. It states: b.       “…we write to advise that the benefit of the receipt of the ground rent payable under such Lease has now been transferred to Landlord-two to whom all future payments of ground rent including all arrears and the amount due from 2st January 2012 shall be payable to and whose receipt shall be a full and absolute discharge under such Lease” 22.   February 2012 a.       Landlord-one sells his freehold to Landlord-two. b.       Landlord-two writes to BFX stating that he owes Ground Rent since 2006. c.       That letter from Landlord-two to BFX also states d.       “While we have no wish to disrupt and current workable management arrangements we do have concerns in that respect as the building is not being managed strictly in accordance with the Lease provisions and although we would have no great objection to ABC Management Company Ltd continuing with the management of the structural and communal areas of the building we would be happier if the present informal arrangement, which could in theory be discontinued at any time by any party, could be formalised either by a Deed of Variation being entered into in connection with each individual leaseholder or by a complete Deed of Variation being entere into by all parties. We hope you will support a Deed of Variation and would request your written views in that respect. e.       “We were in direct communication with PQR Managing Agent prior to completion of our purchase and enclose for your information copy letter written to that firm on 11th January 2012. PQR Managing Agent have confirmed they have never received any ground rent payments and they are raising our ‘insurance concerns’ with X Insurer.” f.        The letter referred to above also asks PQR Managing Agent to make certain material disclosures to X Insurer. g.       In his letter to TUV/PQR Managing Agent, dated 11th of Jan, Landlord-two also states, h.       “As management is current [sic] carried out by you on behalf of ABC Management Company Limited, who are not named in the Lease and therefore maintenance obligations are unenforceable against or by that company, you may wish to give consideration to:” It then proposes a) a deed of variation, or b) Landlord-two becomes a client of TUV Property Management, and long term management is done that way. i.         The letter from Landlord-two continues: j.         “Finally, while we appreciate that you are not authorised to collect ground rent and indeed we assume you have not therefore been collecting ground rent, can you please confirm for the avoidance of doubt that you have never collected any ground rent payments from any leaseholder in connection with this building or, if you have collected any ground rent payments, can you please let us have details of such payments.” 23.   October 2012 a.       BFX makes an application for the Judgement to be set-aside, an account of his being hospitalised almost constantly since April 2011. b.       A hearing is scheduled. 24.   January 2013 a.       There is a hearing, the Judgement against BFX is set-aside. TUV Managing Agent and ABC Management Company do not attend. BFX has until February to file his Defence and Counterclaim, which he does. 25.   March 2013 a.       AQ’s submitted, and hearing scheduled. b.       TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company is ordered to pay the hearing fee. 26.   18th April 2013 a.       Court orders unless TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company pays the fees, the claim shall be struck out. b.       Letter from the Court: BFX’s counterclaim remains listed for May 2013. There is a hearing, and TUV Managing Agent, on behalf of ABC Management Company fail to attend. 27.   May 2013 a.       After a hearing, where TUV Managing Agent and ABC Management Company fail to attend, the Court orders: “The claim be adjourned generally with the liberty to restore on the application of either party.” 28.   2nd half of 2013 and 2014 a.       Various letter from TUV Property Management, and meetings of residents. It is decided by Leaseholders in BFX’s block that we should exercise our ‘right-to-manage’. 29.   17th February 2014 a.       Letter from a solicitor dealing with the RTM progress, it says Landlord-two now has 28 days to file a response. 30.   4th June 2014 a.       BFX Receives a letter from TUV Property Management it states: b.       “Please find enclosed a new standing order form for BFX’s block. c.       “We have opened a new current account for BFX’s block due to the Right to Manage coming into effect in 1st July 2014 d.       “The new standing order is to commence on 1st July 2014…” e.       It continues with pleasantries about cancelling old SO etc. 31.   2nd July 2014 a.       The newly formed ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.3k, the description on the invoice being ‘Account Adjustment: Transfer from previous Management Company’ 32.   2nd July 2014 a.       The newly formed ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.6k, the description on the invoice being ‘Account Adjustment: For period 4th July 2014 – 30th September 2014’ 33.   28th July 20014 (1) a.       ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.5k, having added £12. It states ‘Account Adjustment: Title Register’. b.       IT ALSO SHOWS BFX’s FIRST PAYMENT of 1 month’s service charges to ABC RTM Company Ltd as ‘Payment Received’ 34.   28th July 20014 (2) a.       ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £3.8k, having added £360 court fees. It states ‘Account Adjustment: Court Fees’ 35.   28th July 20014 (3) a.       ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX for £4k, having added £120 in court fees 36.   11th August 2014 a.       The newly formed ABC RTM Company Limited (c/o TUV Managing Agent) sends an invoice to BFX adding another £85. Description: ‘HM Court fee as fee is £205 not £120 – difference’ 37.   August 2014 a.       Following another emergency admission to Hospital for BFX, ABC RTM Company Limited immediately file a claim [CLAIM2014] for alleged arrears from 2011-2014. Approximately £4k. 38.   November 2014 a.       From the Court: Claim [CLAIM2014] stayed until February 2015, by which time the Defendant is to serve his Defence and in default shall file and serve further medical evidence supporting his inability to do the same. 39.   September 2015 a.       Claim stayed until end of October 2015 40.   November 2015 a.       Claim stayed until Jan 2016 41.   8th January 2016 a.       BFX makes an application for summary judgement [of CLAIM2014] that the claim be struck out, as it is a relitigation of [CLAIM2011] 42.   Feb 2016 a.       Transferred to local Court. 43.   31st March 2016 a.       There was a hearing of my application (I think) b.       From the Court, re [CLAIM2014] c.       IT IS ORDERED THAT d.       The hearing of today’s date be adjourned e.       The Claimant to file and serve a fully Particulars (detailed) Particulars of claim [sic] to set out the basis to the claim, entitlement of the Claimant to recover sums from the Defendant, detailing sums recovered and any outstanding payment plus other details which the Claimand may advise to address by 22 april 2016 f.        The Defendant to file and serve a detailed defence addressing the Particulars of Claim in paragraph 2 above by 12 may 2016 g.       If the Defendant wishes the application of today’s date to be relisted (upon consideration of the fully particularised Particulars of Claim), the Defendant should write to the court, at the same time as filing a defence, with a copy of this order, asking for the Court to relist the application for hearing with an estimated length of 1 hour 30 minutes (30 minutes of it being reading time). In the event that the application is relisted, both parties to file and serve detailed statements addressing the subject matter of the application 7 clear days before the hearing. 44.   17th May 2016 a.       From the court: b.       “IT IS ORDERED THAT The Defendants application be relisted in accordance with the order made on the 31st March 2016 on Monday 27th June at 15:30pm with an elh of 30 minutes,not to be heard by telephone” [sic]” 45.   June 2016 a.       I think there was a hearing, possibly. I am looking for the paperwork. I attended the hearing directly from a different regional Hospital to the usual one, where I was being treated for a brain infection. We got our heads bashed together by a clearly infuriated Judge, Judge advised ABC RTM c/o TUV Managing Agents to get a solicitor, tells BFX to be clearer in what he says. Nothing further was heard. Until… 46.   7th April 2017 a.       BFX has an invoice for 1066.00 from TUV Managing Agent c/o ABC RTM Company Ltd 47.   August 2017 a.       BFX mortgage sold from ‘Mortgage Company-one’ to ‘Mortgage Company-two’ 48.   13th September 2017 a.       BFX received an invoice for £5,000 for his share for new windows to BFX’s block. It seemed complicit with s20 LTA 1985 etc. BFX pays £5k. b.       There was a lot of confusion during this process, I am pinning down the paperwork, but it was paid. The total invoice was not split as per the lease – Leaseholders were asked for funds on a per window basis, but the Lease says the total should be summed and divided by the number of units. c.       N.B. BFX’s flat is in a conservation area, and the price reflects expensive windows, as specified by local planners. There were other attempts to put in cheap, nasty windows, but BFX was able to stop this by making informal representations to the local Borough Council – who in turn contacted TUV Managing Agents, who in turn eventually put in a proper planning application for proper windows, which was approved. d.       There was a lot of confusion during this process, I am pinning down the paperwork, but it was paid. The total invoice was not as per the lease – Leaseholders were asked for funds on a per window basis, but the Lease says the total should be summed and divided by the number of units. 49.   12th October 2017 a.       BFX receives invoice for service charges (or statement of account): £4,800 approx. No payments are made by BFX 50.   25h September 2018 a.       BFX receives an invoice (or statement of account) for a total of £492. b.       It appears they have decided not to collect this amount 51.   March 2020 a.       Claim2020 from ABC RTM Company Limited c/o Company Director (not TUV Property Management) for £890 plus £70 Court fee. BFX has not been paying his fees because the management of the block is terrible.
    • Yes I know.  We would like the story posted up plainly on a post in a new thread with no attachment simply a step-by-step account of what happened and what led to the litigation. I think we can understand why this thread has gone on for 18 pages
    • I think he's hoping the attached pdf would be a satisfactory starting point for a new thread?
    • Please start a new thread so that you can post up a nice brief bullet pointed chronology of what happened which led to the litigation.
    • Hope it all goes well for her CB, let us know how she gets on.
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Just seen the following on the Times website:

 

1. 1p flights are never 1p

Even if you strike it lucky and find a 1p flight you actually want to take, Ryanair charge you for the pleasure of paying for it. To the tune of £4.75. For each passenger. Each way.

And that doesn’t even include…

 

2. The check-in charge

If you want to book a bag into the aircraft hold you must check in at the airport, which will cost you £4.75 per passenger, per way, if you book online and a whopping £10 per passenger, per way if you pay at the airport or over the phone. And it doesn’t matter if only one person in your party takes a bag, everyone else still has to pay to check in at the airport too.

This week Ryanair announced that it’s all change from May when airport check in will rocket to £20 per person, per way. That is a grand total of £160 for a return flight as a family of four.

All without factoring in…

 

3. The baggage charge

Which is an extortionate £9.50 per bag, per flight. Or £19 if you book at the airport or over the phone.

 

4. The sneaky weight limit

Ryanair set its weight limit for hold luggage at 15kg catching the majority of passengers off guard.

You’re not allowed to pool bags either so, even if you have a party of four sharing luggage, if the bag weighs 16kg you will be charged £14 per additional kilo. Nevermind that it makes not a jot of difference to the weight of the aeroplane.

 

5. Queues glorious queues

If you’re still talking to your partner following the inevitable blazing row about why you shouldn’t just pay the bloody charges listed above, you won’t be after being told to join the back of the enormous queue at the ‘payments’ desk.

 

6. The additional baggage charge

Probably best to wear all of your clothes at once on the flight if you are travelling somewhere for more than a couple of days (until Ryanair start charging passengers for excess body weight that is). Check more than one bag in and it will cost you another £19 per extra piece of luggage, per way.

 

7. The website is rubbish. On purpose.

You have no choice but to book a Ryanair flight through its website so the airline may as well make it as stressful an experience as possible. The website is ugly for starters, and it crashes. All the time.

Because you can’t easily browse for dates when cheap flights are available you have to dedicate at least five precious hours of your life to sitting in front of the screen and laboriously trying different combinations to find a good deal.

And if you don’t understand what the hell you’ve just pressed there is no one to e-mail. Because Ryanair want you to spend more money and phone its…

 

8. Premium rate internet helpline

Calls cost £1 a minute to speak to someone in a call centre. Be amazed if you can explain what your problem is for under a fiver.

 

9. You can only fly cheap mid week

To get the bargains that make the pain of Ryanair worth the gain you have to be prepared to fly on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, which can rule out the bargain European weekend break. Kind of why you wanted to book with Ryanair in the first place.

 

10. You have to travel at obscene hours.

Not only are you travelling on a Tuesday you also have to be prepared to wake up at 2am to get to the airport two hours ahead of your 6.55am flight. Or, if you choose a more civilised evening departure time, arrive in your destination at midnight with no where to stay because…

 

11. The destination airports are in the middle of nowhere.

Don’t expect to fly to Frankfurt if you book a flight to Frankfurt, to name one of many examples. Frankfurt Hahn airport where Ryanair land is 120 km from the city centre.

 

12. A bottle of water on board costs £3

I know the moral of this story is to buy a drink from WH Smith before you board, but it’s still annoying.

 

13. Sweaty, plasticky seats

Whatever you do, don’t wear shorts or you might be stuck to your seat forever and forced to listen to…

 

14. The in-flight musak

Pray that your flight is not delayed before it takes off or you’ll have to put up with the bleepy, computer-game inspired musak that is played on loop as your board, over, and over.

 

15. The fanfare

Do we really need the shrill fanfare that sounds when/if the flight lands on time? Or does it just ruin the first three minutes of each passenger's holiday?

 

16. You can’t book a seat

As if the British holiday ritual of crowding round the baggage carousel isn’t enough to warrant the use of blood-thinning medication, Ryanair invite you to partake in the extreme sport that is racing across the tarmac to get a seat next to your companion. Flip flops are a distinct disadvantage.

 

17. No refunds, ever

Unless you have a spare few days to waste do not even bother trying.

 

18. Poor compensation

A report by the UK’s Air Transport Users Council has found that the world’s airlines lost more than one million bags in 2007 and more than 42 million pieces of luggage were mishandled worldwide.

Guess who it named as the worst airline for compensation if your bag goes missing or is damaged?

 

19. You are always being flogged stuff

No we don't want your ridiculously overpriced travel insurance, car hire or Ryanair tea-towels. Go away.

 

20. Michael O’Leary himself

Don't tell me you can bear to make him any more smug?

By Laura Whateley

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10. You have to travel at obscene hours.

Not only are you travelling on a Tuesday you also have to be prepared to wake up at 2am to get to the airport two hours ahead of your 6.55am flight.

And beware that you do not get there 1 minute past the check-in closing time (or in some cases 5 mns before)because even if the plane you were planning to catch has not even landed yet and the staff are still standing there, they will not let you in and instead will make you buy another seat for the next day at full price.

 

12. A bottle of water on board costs £3

I know the moral of this story is to buy a drink from WH Smith before you board, but it’s still annoying.

And not possible in a lot of the smaller airports where Ryanair flies from as you can not take more than 100 ml unless you have already passed security and most of the smaller airports don't have shops after security.

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Just seen the following on the Times website:

 

1. 1p flights are never 1p

Even if you strike it lucky and find a 1p flight you actually want to take, Ryanair charge you for the pleasure of paying for it. To the tune of £4.75. For each passenger. Each way.

 

Not quite true, my return flight to Germany in April cost 2p return. I opened a Halifax BB account just to get the Electron which is free to use.

 

I know first hand what Ryanair are like, just need to play by the rules, and if you understand them, bargains are possible.

 

Non-refund of unpaid APD still gets my back up.

 

I agree with the rest of it btw.....but just understand the game and don't get caught short! (If avoidable)

 

A hot dog on board is £4.80 I think too! Not that I'd ever avail myself of such tut.

 

I'm travelling to 'Dusseldorf' which of course is an ex RAF airport nowhere near it, which is why I am staying in Weeze to avoid the 25 euro fare to get there. If Ryanair give me any problems on my return flight I'll of course be knackered because they couldn't give a stuff. I'm going with a rucksack within the size perameters and I walk fast enough, and know enough, to realise priority boarding is a waste of time....there is always a seat!

 

It is possible to travel around europe and beyond for the price of a gobstopper.

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And not possible in a lot of the smaller airports where Ryanair flies from as you can not take more than 100 ml unless you have already passed security and most of the smaller airports don't have shops after security.

 

Unrelated, but anyone travelling through Europe with duty free should remember that they will be stripped of it if passing through a EU airport on an indirect flight!

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Frankly there is no reason to fly with Whineair.

 

Just don't go with them. Once their pocket is hurt they may just imporve. But I doubt it.

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Yes, there is a reason. 2p...didn't you see? :D

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Best to stick to the rules and stop moaning.

We flew Ryan Air only a few weeks back Leeds to Girona return.

No problems at all planes on time and clean, very supprised after hearing all the negative reports.

As for traveling at obscene hours our flights were 3.05pm out and 1.20pm back.

Id fly with them again with no problem at all compaired to some budget airlines they arnt all that bad.

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Best to stick to the rules and stop moaning.

We flew Ryan Air only a few weeks back Leeds to Girona return.

No problems at all planes on time and clean, very supprised after hearing all the negative reports.

As for traveling at obscene hours our flights were 3.05pm out and 1.20pm back.

Id fly with them again with no problem at all compaired to some budget airlines they arnt all that bad.

 

Stop moaning? I'm glad you had a great Ryanair experience (as have I, always [when I've made the flight]) but 'moaning' is too much. It certainly is not, Ryanair have awful policies if things go wrong (which I accept as the norm) just because you didn't does not mean others won't. That sounded like a MSE post if I'm honest.

 

I will defend them to a point, but that's a no go.

 

Tbh, your stating (puposely or otherwise) that people should stop 'moaning' is ill-conceived (If you knew more, you wouldn't have said it)

 

It's a bad choice of word, period. I don't expect miracles from Ryanair, but I agree, they are often fantastic - the only worry I have about stupidly cheap flights is my carbon footprint, it really do.

 

Each to their own.

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At the end of the day you get what you pay for and what do you expect with Ryanair.

 

Michael O'leary summed it up when he asked "What part of no f***ing refund do you not understand?"

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Best to stick to the rules and stop moaning.

We flew Ryan Air only a few weeks back Leeds to Girona return.

No problems at all planes on time and clean, very supprised after hearing all the negative reports.

As for traveling at obscene hours our flights were 3.05pm out and 1.20pm back.

Id fly with them again with no problem at all compaired to some budget airlines they arnt all that bad.

 

If you don't go over your o/draft limit, you won't get charged.

If you don't fall behind with your loan payments, you won't get debt collectors after you.

If you always leave plenty of time to travel, you won't be late.

 

AKA the "bend over" attitude to life.

 

Newsflash: Sh*t happens. When it happens, that never gives "them" the right to trample over us.

 

On this site, we challenge the inujustice and might of the big powers every way we can in the hope to make things change, and it does work.

 

Ryanair used to charge extra to people in wheelchairs until a court case made them change that. If you don't challenge and just "stop moaning" you give them grounds to do what they want, as they want.

 

I was the same as you, travelled plenty of times with Ryanair and thought that it was adequate, no more, but for what you pay... It all changed the one time where things went wrong. Ryanair staff's attitude was disgusting and cruel, and it got compounded by the "don't give a crap" response when we complained to HO later on. That was the last time we travelled with them. Ever.

 

So you had ONE good flight and that makes you an expert? Well, good luck to you when things go wrong. ;)

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21. Ryanair pretend not to know the correct name of the city through which the River Foyle runs.

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Well, I've just got a return flight, for the 3 of us to Belgium for a big heavy metal concert, for the amazing price of £20!! That's not per person, that's for all three combined! So, I don't care if I'm sitting next to a crate of chickens, I'm not arguing with that price!

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How far from your destination are you arriving, though? How much is that going to cost you to get to the concert on top?

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We're lucky enough to have friends in Belgium who will be picking us up, and they only live 20 minutes away. The concert were going to, the ticket price includes free train travel anywhere in Belgium as well, which we could've used. Unlike this country, festivals in europe care about the people who are attended, don't rip them off and the camping arrangements are excellent. really does put British festivals to shame.

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That's really good. Hope you have a good time! (and good weather)

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Thanks Bookie! The weather is strange in Belgium, starts off dark and gloomy, rains for half an hour then is scorching sunchine! We saw KISS and Iron Maiden last year, but we were flying with Easyjet from Amsterdam. We've gone for the cheaper flight option this year.

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20 Reasons Not to fly with Ryanair

 

:eek: That list is definitely going to grow for some! Introduction of a 'fat tax' amongst other things.

 

Over 100,000 passengers voted, via (website), to decide which cost reduction idea should win a €1,000 cash prize. Ryanair confirmed the final poll results as follows:

 

  1. 29% - Excess fees for very overweight passengers,
  2. 25% - €1 for toilet paper – with O’Leary’s face on it,
  3. 24% - €3 to smoke in a converted toilet cubicle,
  4. 14% - Annual subscription to access Ryanair.com,
  5. 8% - €2 “corkage” fee for passengers who bring their own food onboard

Ryanair will now consider how to implement such a charge and asked passengers to vote, via (website), on which format the charge should take:

 

  1. Charge per kg over 130kg/20 stone (male) and 100kg/15 stone (female);
  2. Charge per inch for every waist inch over 45 inch (male) and 40 inch (female);
  3. Charge for every point in excess of 40 points on the Body Mass Index (+30 points is obese);
  4. Charge for a second seat if passengers’ waist touches both armrests simultaneously.

Wowzers, just stumbled across this looking for todays new promotion. 1 euro for toilet paper? I'd call it a swizz! Is it compulsory? Can one take our own stash? Will it be coin operated? (and O'Leary is/was considering £1 or 1 euro just to get into the toilet). What about emergencies?. Ah well, someone will be happy to wipe their crack on a picture of O'Leary. ;)

 

3 euros to smoke? Love the idea, and why the hell not as long as non-smokers don't have to breathe it, but 3 euro..... no thanks (can you have 2? or does a buzzer go off - interesting to see what happens). I'd expect bigger waits for the unconverted 2 toilets, not helped by other users getting value because they had to pay to visit the watering hole.

 

2 euro fee to bring on own food? (I'm still going to smuggle mine on in any case, as I'm naughty). Corkage???? :confused:

 

I cannot see the annual subscription to (website) ever being realised, sounds barmy to me.

 

Now for the big issue. I feel bad about it in a sense, but having endured sitting next to someone on a coach in Thailand for 16 hours, who took up half of my seat, I cannot sympathise (I mean the super big people) Why should I sit in discomfort, for the same price, whilst the other person is quite comfy (well, as comfy as they can be). I want the space/pitch I am entitled to, and if someone takes up more than their allotted room, then pay for it. How they actualise this, if they do, could be very embarrassing to the subject, however. I would hope it is done discreetly. Contentious issue.

 

Of course, it's all a money making making exercise using the justification of supposed opinion. Heck, they are entitled to do so, they didn't go into business to lose money. We can talk with our feet if we want to, not that I think I would.

 

Ryanair think of everything, regardless of what we think of it! I've just come back from my trip (no problems lol) and the return plane even had 'Bye bye Easyjet' written on it. Guffaw!

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Ah, but where do you stop? If you have s/one slimmer, but with BO/farting issues (you know the people I mean, right? :-D), shouldn't they then pay more because the air needs to be recycled more often?

 

(and the BMI is utter and complete BS btw, like the 5 a day, it has no significance in the real world. By BMI standards, some of the world's best rugby players are clinically obese, lol, and DD would be seriously underweight, and did she look unhealthy to you? Don't get me started on BMI, ok? [the index, not the airline!])

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OMG Bookie, we are singing from the same hymn sheet again re BMI!!!:D


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Ah, but where do you stop? If you have s/one slimmer, but with BO/farting issues (you know the people I mean, right? :-D), shouldn't they then pay more because the air needs to be recycled more often?

 

(and the BMI is utter and complete BS btw, like the 5 a day, it has no significance in the real world. By BMI standards, some of the world's best rugby players are clinically obese, lol, and DD would be seriously underweight, and did she look unhealthy to you? Don't get me started on BMI, ok? [the index, not the airline!])

 

I was thinking why the British Midland talk lmao. Good point on BMI, Rugby players won't be happy being classed as obese! It's not going to be easy to implement!

 

Ahh....a 'fart tax' don't give him any more ideas! though a thouroughly interesting article in the Daily Star (I found it lmao) said that obese people are adding to climate change through increased food production, and hinted all the way through that they fart more. Maybe they'll clamp a fart detector to the seats. :D A 'BO tax'? lol, you're right...where do you stop (and perish the thought of sitting next to a stinker).

 

And nah, DD looked just cracking!

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Ryanair confirms that ‘fat tax’ is a non-runner

 

because it’s not collectible

 

Passengers want very large passengers to pay more

 

Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline, today (8 May) confirmed that it will not implement a ‘fat tax’ because there is no way to collect it without disrupting its 25 minute turnarounds and its online check-in process. Ryanair confirmed that more than 16,000 passengers voted in its latest online poll to identify how the airline should charge larger passengers. The poll results showed:

 

46% - Charge per kg over 130kg/20 st (male) and 100kg/15 st (females);

37% - Charge for a second seat if passengers’ waist touches both armrests;

11% - Charge for every point in excess of 40 points on the Body Mass Index

6% - Charge for every waist inch over 45 inch (male) and 40 inch (female);

Ryanair confirmed that the competition’s €1,000 cash prize goes to Mrs Judy Powers, a retired British ex-pat living in Spain and the first passenger to suggest that larger passengers should pay more.

 

 

Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:

 

“Over 30,000 Ryanair passengers called for a ‘fat tax’ for very large passengers. However, as all passengers will soon be checking in online we have no way of collecting a ‘fat tax’ without disrupting our un-rivalled punctuality and our 25 minute turnarounds.

 

“Ryanair will continue to examine avoidable discretionary charges, which are paid for by some passengers but help lower fares for all passengers. We are delighted to present Judy with her €1,000 cash prize and thank all 150,000 passengers who either entered our competition or voted in our online polls”.

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