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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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i have a sum of £1715 outstanding with citi mastercard, which i cannot pay due to being unemployed & on only £62 a week, i have just recieved a letter from citi cards terminating my agreement as i have failed to rectify the breach specified in the default notice they recently sent me, they now equire immediate payment of the balance.


head of collections.


i rang citi cards to see if they would take some kind of minimum payment which they refused & said that it has gone too far in arrears now & it is in the hands of debt collectors who will be calling me soon.


what can i do, i need advice please !!!

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How old is the Card, are there any charges you could claim back.


I'll move this thread to the Citi Forum, you'll get help in there.





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A CCA request is made under section 78(1) Consumer Credit Act, and essentially is a request for a copy of the executed agreement you signed when you opened the account.


There are circumstances where an executed agreement misses something called prescribed terms, these are items such as listing a credit limit, rate of interest, repayment terms, cancellation rights and so forth.


If it is missing these, or is not set out as par the regulations a creditor could have extreme difficulty in obtaining an enforcement order through the courts.


The only problem is that Citi are not playing ball when it comes to CCA requests, instead preferring to ignore the law, regulations and its own code of conduct in sending out recent Terms & Conditions in reply to such requests.


OK, first thing, I would request a copy of the executed agreement under section 78(1) Consumer Credit Act - there is a copy in the templates library from memory.


It may also be worth having a word with Trading Standards, Citibank are a signatory to the banking code - they are meant to be understanding and help in instances where people are in genuine hardship such as yourself, if you explain the situation to trading standards and request their help they maybe able to assist you if a creditor is not meeting their obligations.


If you have no joy in that respect it may also be worth sending a complaint to the Office Of Fair Trading, as Citi seem to be operating in an unreasonable manner....


Hope this is of help.

Advice offered by ENRON is without prejudice and is for your judgement as to whether to take it. You should seek the assistance or hire of a solicitor or other paid professional if in doubt.

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hi, i have looked in the templates for "copy of the executed agreement under section 78(1) Consumer Credit Act - there is a copy in the templates library from memory" but don't really know what i am looking for, could you please send me the link"

this would be a great help if you can do this for me..



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so with this CCa i am going to ask them for, what happens if they dont send it ? or if they say they do not have it ?

this is the first time in my 50 years i have been out of work & i hate it, i hate people chasing me for money when i have a mortgage to pay, 2 teenage kids at school, cars to run & all i get is £62 a week with the future looking bleak !

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If they dont send the executed agreement, they are not legally entitled to enforce the agreement against you at all - which would include requesting payment either in writing or over the phone. This has been confirmed to me in writing by the OFT.


That said, Citi being Citi will continue to enforce the agreement regardless which could have implications for your credit report.... obviously if they do as they have done to many of us they'll enter a default.


They are currently sending out recent Terms & Conditions out to honour s78(1) requests which is an invalid response, and does not discharge their duty under s78(1) CCA. It could have implications for their credit license as things have been moving behind the scenes.


What I would suggest is see what you get in return to the s78(1) CCA request.


It maybe worth having a word with Citizens advice about your situation, in as far as Citi not willing to help you out - they are a signatory of the banking code which outlines that they are meant to help customers in financial difficulty. I would also contact Trading Standards on this issue as well.

Advice offered by ENRON is without prejudice and is for your judgement as to whether to take it. You should seek the assistance or hire of a solicitor or other paid professional if in doubt.

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Hi kthmurrell


Welcome to the wonders of american credit card companies... compassion isnt in their vocab:(


Can you possibly scan and upload the default notice, editing out any personal info and post it on here... photobucket is the site most of us use.. it can be found here. Dont suppose you kept the envelope it came in did you?


Reason being they may have made an error prior to terminating the agreement and this could have serious implications for them IF the agreement does turn up and is enforceable.



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hope this comes out ok, this is all new to me !!!




Hi Kthmurrell, thats the termination notice... its the default notice we really need to see to ensure they crossed the t's and dotted the i's before terminating your agreement.


Also you may want to delete that scan, you've left the barcode in on the left hand side, I'm not sure but it may be your accountref with CITI for them to scan the letter when sending.



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Hi Mate, if you are having any difficulties, you can read my own thread as I battle with Citi - I have deliberately tried to keep my thread simple and straightforward so people can see what I have done and how they have replied. i have posted up full copies of my letters - perhaps you will find them of use?


First thing is first, knowledge is power in this game and you need to read up on even the basics. You need to understand how things work and then how you can go about getting there. very important to follow procedure and use correct language. Folks here are very knowledgeable and helpful; but you have to help yourself first!


Above all, remain positive...and welcome to The CAG! :D

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