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    • I have this morning received from the County Court Business Centre a Notice of Proposed Allocation to the Small Claims Track. Should I do anything other than fill it in requesting my nearest County Court? Clearly I won't be requesting the mediation service.
    • It would be helpful if you could simply produce a skeleton – bullet pointed – chronology of your letter because it's rather a lot to go through. I do understand that you are asking for a refund of the entire cost of the works. If this is correct then I think that this is unachievable. Presumably some of the materials which have been supplied and some of the installation is useful and at the very least you would have to pay for those. The starting point here would be to get an independent inspection – maybe two independent inspections – of the quality of the work and to make a report as to the problems. You would then need a couple of independent quotations for the costs of repairing the defects to the standard which was expected when you first commissioned the work. If you could get loans, then we can take it further. The fact that the builder is not limited liability company is important to the extent that they are not able to phoenix themselves – meaning that they not able simply to go into liquidation and then reappear under a similar name but escaping their legal liabilities. On the other hand, if you find that you're going to have to you bring the claim then you are going to have to identify the builder – and any assets – and preferably any property that they owned. Can you do this? Also, it will be in your interest to keep this issue to a figure less than £10,000 in order to keep you within the small claims limits for County Court claims – otherwise you risk a fair amount of costs if you happen to lose the case
    • Thanks for opening SO,  nothing since May as you saw before I received a debt collection letter from a 3rd party.   As they got no response ON CHRISTMAS EVE I received  a new 'CLAIM FOR DEBT' containing a handy 'previous case notes' from a court appeal that went wrong. They include an affordability schedule, they have upped it to £182   They are sending the letter in accordance with Pre-action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAP) contained in the Civili Procedure Rules (CPR) You have 30 days to complete the enclosed or possibly face court acton.   'If you ignore this letter and fail to respond proceedings will be issued against you and may increase you liability for costs"   I can then tick a box saying A,B,C,D  etc.  I owe the debt, I owe some of the debt, I dispute the debt, I dont know i owe the debt,, I will pay buy need time, Im getting debt advice, I h ave provided docs,  i need more docs or info, sign and send back.   Ignore or respond?   Cheers!    
    • Hi. this is a long one, please forgive me.   I had extensive works on my home in Oct 2018 which included a loft dormer.  pursued builder for some snagging issues but nothing major (windows sticking, grouting racks and plaster cracks etc.) to no avail, builder gave me lots of excuses, illness, family issues which I was sympathetic to.  All of which came to heads in Oct 2019 when the dormer roof began to leak very suddenly and severely.  He came back to 'rectify' it a few weeks later and either ignored a lot of the other things or did them very poorly. the roof began to leak again May 2020  with damp patched appearing and then building up to an active drip in October 2020.  I tried contacting the builder which was ignored and instead I contacted my insurance/CAB and tried to gather evidence and quotes to rectify which was difficult given the pandemic.  My insurance has since said they wont help under my legal cover (this is with the FOS) and so I'm trying to resolve this by myself.  I contacted the builder with all the evidence in November 2020, he said he would put a claim into his insurance.  I asked for the details, timescale to be expected and asked him to arrange a temporary roof to mitigate his losses as well as reduce further damage to my home, he ignored these requests and  seems to have blocked my calls, only contacting me by text to say 'no news from inrsurers, they will contact you in due course.'   He is not a limited company, that apparently matters.  I have since sent him this letter, it is a huge amount of money, I've asked for full refund of the works, but in actual fact I'm aware that if he engages, he will likely barter with me to get me down, I know that and only hope that if we can agree on something, it is the cost of rectification as well as temporary accomodation whilst the roof is being replaced.    Do you think I can do this on my own?   Dear ___________, I have discovered the following problems with the work you have done for me:  ·         The roof of the dormer/loft room is leaking again, despite your attempt to fix this in October 2019, causing water to trickle into the ensuite shower room as well as the bedroom through the ceiling light, window and door fixtures.  Following heavy rain, the leaks are bad enough to fill buckets and there is water running down walls around the windows and also soaking into the wooden structure causing water marks in various areas of the loft room, loft landing and downstairs rooms. ·         The water ingress has affected the electrics in the house and has caused them to trip several times.  There are several double sockets in the bedroom which cannot be used due to watermarks around them, meaning there are more extension plugs being used which is not only inconvenient but higher risk. ·         The tiling in the bathroom was an inadequate job: the floor is uneven and the tiles have become loose there, again, despite your attempt to rectify in October 2019.  The tiles behind the shower are bulging, indicating there is water behind them.  The grouting has gaps and hairline cracks all over it which you were supposed to fix in October 2019 but did not. ·         The resealing of the shower in October 2019 was a very messy and uneven job, you did not even match the colour silicone, nor did you use an anti-mould silicone.  The shower continues to leak. ·         The shower does not drain properly, you ‘wet vacuumed’ this in October 2019 and this did not make a difference.  There is not a big enough fall on the drainage system, something I asked you about at the time of installation and which you dismissed. ·         The joints on the plasterboard under the plaster are showing, as is the edging to the window frames, which means the plaster is bubbling and bulging indicating water ingress. ·         The windows in both the ensuite and the bedroom stick and do not open or close properly, nor do the locks work.  You used WD40 or similar in October 2019 to try to rectify this, but it is still an issue.  The windows have not been installed correctly.  ·         There is a crack from the window frame in the bedroom to the floor where the window has been poorly installed. ·         During the original work you completed in 2018, your workers fell through the bedroom below ceiling 3 times and failed to waterproof the house adequately when there was no roof during the building works.   This resulted in a great deal of water ingress in the bedroom below causing the existing plaster to delaminate and blow on the walls.  I have since had to have this whole room re-plastered at a cost of much more than the £300 you permitted me to retain.  ·         The back porch which was leaking:  you undertook and charged me to seal this off and make the room watertight.  The waterproof sealant you used washed off and you recoated in October 2019.  This is leaking again.  The board you used to overboard the old back door is not sealed correctly and is letting in water, causing the boards to swell.  I have tried to resolve this myself but have been unable to and therefore need this to be done by a professional. ·         The back double patio doors have not been sealed correctly at the sides, this lets water in to the plaster about 2 foot off the ground when the weather is stormy. ·         The patio doors do not seal at the bottom and again, let water in at the bottom of the doors.  They also allow a draft in and hot air out which make the house less energy efficient. The patio doors do not close or lock properly, especially in summer. Despite you attempting to rectify this in October 2019, this has not resolved the issues with the doors.  They are not level, do not close properly and are not water or airtight. I have given you several opportunities to rectify these issues and you either did not attempt to or the attempts you made failed to resolve them.  As I have given you opportunities to rectify this work already, I do not wish for you to attempt again The Consumer Rights Act 2015 says that reasonable care and skill must be used while working.  In my opinion, you did not use reasonable care and skill when you carried out the work on my home and you have broken your contract with me.   I am therefore seeking a full refund on the works you carried out on my home in 2018. I ask that you pay me the sum of £46,000 so that I can have your mistakes rectified. You have informed me that you have submitted a claim to your insurance company, from whom I have not heard.  I have tried to contact you for more information about this and the timescales involved and have given you ample time to contact and address my concerns as well as to try to agree on a temporary resolution which might have mitigated your losses.   However, you have either ignored my communications completely or have responded by saying that there has been no news from your insurers.  At no time have you provided me with more detailed answers to my queries. The liability for work carried out lies with you and not your insurer and I feel I have been very understanding and patient on these matters over the last two years.   However, it is over 2 years on from the original works and I wish to have the habitable space I paid you for. You admitted your error whilst on a telephone call with me on 26/11/20 citing that you used the wrong type tape for the roof and you have never disputed error on the other matters, therefore I hope this situation can be resolved with ease and rapidity that will prevent further damage to my home. Please contact me as soon as possible, and no later than 10 days from the date on this letter, i.e. no later than 26th January 2021, to agree a date by which I can expect the requested payment. If I do not hear back from you in the time suggested above, I will be instructing my solicitor to pursue this claim.  Should you be a member of a dispute resolution scheme, I am willing to consider this as a means of mediation.   yours sincerely,    ___________________     Any advice on what to do should he ignore this letter or refuse to engage is very much welcome, I cant afford to mess this up again (the first mess up being choosing this individual for the works in the first place). 
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    • Hi @BankFodder
      Sorry for only updating you now, but after your guidance with submitting the claim it was pretty straight forward and I didn't want to unnecessarily waste your time. Especially with this guide you wrote here, so many thanks for that
      So I issued the claim on day 15 and they requested more time to respond.
      They took until the last day to respond and denied the claim, unsurprisingly saying my contract was with Packlink and not with them.
       
      I opted for mediation, and it played out very similarly to other people's experiences.
       
      In the first call I outlined my case, and I referred to the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 as the reason to why I do in fact have a contract with them. 
       
      In the second call the mediator came back with an offer of the full amount of the phone and postage £146.93, but not the court costs. I said I was not willing to accept this and the mediator came across as a bit irritated that I would not accept this and said I should be flexible. I insisted that the law was on my side and I was willing to take them to court. The mediator went back to Hermes with what I said.
       
      In the third call the mediator said that they would offer the full amount. However, he said that Hermes still thought that I should have taken the case against Packlink instead, and that they would try to recover the court costs themselves from Packlink.
       
      To be fair to them, if Packlink wasn't based in Spain I would've made the claim against them instead. But since they are overseas and the law lets me take action against Hermes directly, it's the best way of trying to recover the money.
       
      So this is a great win. Thank you so much for your help and all of the resources available on this site. It has helped me so much especially as someone who does not know anything about making money claims.
       
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Thanks citb, one other question.......

'application form ...actually became a credit agreement when it was signed by both you and the bank'

Is this correct?

THank you

 

does it contain all the prescribed terms required for a credit agreement??

 

added: also IGNM put me onto this, used for a similar situation:

 

6. The Claimant has failed to produce a copy of the original agreement. It has produced a document headed “ Credit Agreement Regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974” which in the course of its’ text, refers to “please complete your application”, in which vein the document continues in its form and content. There is no evidence of any agreement. This document cannot both be an application and an agreement. Under the terms of the contra proferentum rule any ambiguity should be construed against the party that seeks to rely upon it. Here the document was not drafted by the Defendant and it is the Claimant who seeks to rely upon it as being an agreement on which the debt was enforced. Consequently, it is submitted that the document should be construed as not being an agreement at all.

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Excellent, just what i was lookng for. I can't tell if it has all the prescribed terms as it is not legible. However, the clearer copy of t&cs that they gave me has different clause numbers from those on the poc:confused:

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No AQ from [problem]

 

When was the filing date ?.. you should allow the courts 5 extra days due to backlog. Phone them again say... Friday.

 

The court may well write to them giving them another filing date.. in my case they wrote saying if LTSB hadnt filed their AQ by a date 10 days from the General Order, then their defence would be struck out..

 

Which reminds me.. I must phone the court :D

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Oh dear, I had forgotten about my SAR from June! LTSB have sent some paperwork but have yet to send any statements or letters relating to this account. As they have sent some informatio I think a letter straight to the ICO is in order plus a copy for my defence file.

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Interesting, going trough the data that they have sent, entries confirming that they do not have a copy of the agreement and an entry that says...

'req props or claim will be issued, if he writes back to say claim will be defended, refer to agent as court will not grant jud'

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Interesting, going trough the data that they have sent, entries confirming that they do not have a copy of the agreement and an entry that says...

'req props or claim will be issued, if he writes back to say claim will be defended, refer to agent as court will not grant jud'

 

Hmmm, so we take that to mean .. that the court will not grant judgement in their favour ??

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Final draft unless anyone has any suggestions. Please and thank you

 

This amended draft has now been posted and deleted, so [problem] can read their own copy and not this one :D:D:D:shock:

 

 

cymruambyth

is there any chance of you pm the draft to me as i will be at this stage soon.

i will understand if you dont.

regards

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Both AQs received by court and going before judge for directions (why isn't there a smilie for fear?)

 

:eek: "eeek" is the best I can do

 

That was my interpretation. I may be misguided however I think I may have to ask for an explanation of the abbreviations at some point;)

 

 

They should have supplied a list of the codes they use with the Subject Access Request.

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I have my own thread about my 'trip' with LTSB. CCa 1974 and credit cards Can you tell me cymruambyth what file information you got and notes in responce to SAR ?? as i only got an incomplete set of copy statements and the current T&C's

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Hi jay, how much information did you request? I sent a letter requesting the world! I got my information in bits. I'm going out now but will post what I have received and the letter that I used. If you haven't sent the same letter, you can always send a reminder and stipulate what extra information you are requesting.

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Hi CYM i sent the standard SAR letter and also a follow up saying they hadnt complied by not sending info of maual intervention on the account. they replied by saying they didnt keep records of that type but work was involved and time spent when they had a apayment returned!!!!

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This is the SAR I sent:

Data Controller

Lloyds TSB Bank PLC

Compliance Dept

Mountbatten House

Military Road

Chatham

ME4 4JF 2009

Data Protection Act 1998

Subject Access Request

Dear Sir/Madam

 

ACCOUNT NUMBER:

Please supply me with all data that you hold on me. This request refers to the afore mentioned account and any other accounts that you may hold information on me. This includes in particular, but is not limited to, the following:-

 

1. The original signed, executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened.

2. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations by your company, or by any previous creditor.

3. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account formerly held with Lloyds TSB.

4. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.

5. Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditions, date it was added and deleted.

6. Details of any collection charges added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.

7. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.

8. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998

9. A list of third party agencies to whom you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

10. Copies of statements for the entire duration of the credit agreement.

 

I enclose the statutory maximum fee of £10. You have 40 days in which to comply.

If there is specific information which you require in order to satisfy yourself as to my identity, please let me know by return. However, please note that the above address is the one which you normally use to communicate my private business to me and which you have hitherto found to be acceptable.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

They have sent loads of computer print outs, explanations of terminology, print outs of times of letters and calls, though not the actual DN. I haven't seen my CCA and I didn't get t&cs

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Good luck and don't forget the 40 days.....just because you have sent an amended letter doesn't mean that the clock has stopped ticking;)

YOu can send your complaint to the ICO who may charge them ahhh. Otherwise you can take them to court to gain the information,

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Oh well case is with DJ, but they have a backlog and have put measures in place to remedy this. Should get looked at in the next couple of weeks. I wonder if they are waiting to see the results of the test cases?

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I think they are genuinely backed up. My own court has a delay of 10 days at the moment :)

 

Having said that, there does appear to be quite a few claimants asking for stays or extra time at the moment.

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Still all quiet on the court front...............

However have had a follow up letter re SAR.

Unfortunately, we have not been able to locate a copy of your signed agreement. We can assure you that before we opened your credit card account we would have required sight of a signed agreement.. If you take this matter further, we are confident of our ability to be able to prove this.

Copies of DN and enforcement notices are not saved by customer name so copies will not be fouind as part of a DSAR.

In common with other businesses, we do not provide a precise breakdown ofhow we arrive at our service charges. Dates and amounts of charges will be shown on your statements.

With regards to your cc statements, in accordance with our retention periods we do not hold any statements prior to this date. As your cc account was transferred to our Consumer Debt Recovery dept in xx 2003 there are no statements available after this date either.

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