Unfair PCN - Help Required Pls!!

[WhichWayToTurn]

I was issued with a PCN for parking in a space displaying an invalid permit. The sentence is more detailed but I hope the point comes across okay.

 

I contested the PCN within 14 days as I had paid for a pay and display ticket and stuck it on my dashboard.

 

They came back to me about 6 weeks later to say the challenge had been reviewed but denied and upheld their PCN.

 

Their response letter had mentioned two things with regards to dates: first being that I must not pay later than the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of which the notice is served.

And second being if it is paid after the 28 days then it increases by 50%.

 

I'm fine with the above paragraph and so I contested their response within 28 days but proceeding under the assumption that the orginal 50% discount was intact. (I feel this is unfair as they had at no time mentioned in their response that I need to respond with 14 days to maintain the discount:confused:-unless they mean from 14 days of the PCN:confused:)

 

Additionally, the council have sent me another PCN for the same alleged offence:!: It feels like they are trying to bombard me with information at random times and letters. What's the best approach going forward please:confused:

[MARTIN3030]

Welcome to the forum.Thread moved here.

[lamma]

we need to see pictures of the council paper - both sides. Suitably washed of identifying details.

[WhichWayToTurn]

Sod's law has been unkind to me! Scanner is broken! I'll borrow one on sunday night and will post the PCN up then...

[nick-name]

I now decide to bless this situation and declare it is 100% resolved in full for the highest good of all involved. This situation is totally resolved for the poster in the best possible way. It is an opportunity and a blessing in disguise. I declare it so. Only harmony and peace can result from it. Everyone wins. End of story.

 

Edited February 22, 2009 by nick-name

[MARTIN3030]

Absolutely.

[nero12]

Additionally, the council have sent me another PCN for the same alleged offence

what reasons did they deny your appeal

 

and is the second pcn ''identical'' to the first, and what regulation are they sending this under ie is it a regulation 10 postal pcn for the same offence.

[hettylamb]

Rgarding PCNs. Not quite the same problem but does anyone know if the councils who issue the PCNs have to leave the ticket on the car for 30 mins before they tow it away?

 

Was towed by Brent and had to pay £250 to get it back from the car pound.PCN was only on windscreen for 25 mins from 10.46 to 11.08.

 

As I am appealing it and going to the adjudicator would appreciate any tips.

[nero12]

Rgarding PCNs. Not quite the same problem but does anyone know if the councils who issue the PCNs have to leave the ticket on the car for 30 mins before they tow it away?

 

Was towed by Brent and had to pay £250 to get it back from the car pound.PCN was only on windscreen for 25 mins from 10.46 to 11.08.

 

As I am appealing it and going to the adjudicator would appreciate any tips.

go to fight back forums aka pepippoo and post your story there, watch for neilB in particular cos he can spot paperwork mistakes a mile off.

they have about 40 council tows currently running and most of the appeals they have dealt with are successful.

[WhichWayToTurn]

The pay and display ticket and the original PCN that got stuck onto my car's windscreen.

I will be attaching the responses I have been receiving further below.

Edited February 22, 2009 by WhichWayToTurn

[WhichWayToTurn]

Edited February 22, 2009 by WhichWayToTurn

[WhichWayToTurn]

1st PCN

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2009 by WhichWayToTurn

[WhichWayToTurn]

The PCN below was received via the post after I had sent them my first letter challenging the offence. I have only attached the front sheet (of four sheets).

 

2nd PCN:

 

Edited February 24, 2009 by WhichWayToTurn

[WhichWayToTurn]

Upon receipt of the above I had challenged the PCN (via post) that the vehicle was not mine, though the registration was correct, all the other details were wrong (hence they have not been blanked out).

 

But later on the same day to when I had gone to the post office to send my second challenge letter, I had received the PCN below:

 

Unfortunately this did contain the correct details, however that shouldn't change my original case of "they have issued the PCN incorrectly as I had a pay and display ticket" right :confused:

 

And to my dismay, the charge had increased to £80! From my understanding, the discount should be intact if I respond with the 28 days:confused:

 

3rd PCN:

 

Edited February 24, 2009 by WhichWayToTurn

[nero12]

can you get this straight

 

you parked legally as yiu were showing a valid pay and dispaly ticket as posted.

 

You appealed on the basis that the vehicle details were incorrect as the pcn shows a seat rather than a volswagon, not metioning that the ticket was on display

 

They then send a notice to owner which you now have to appeal against.

 

yes???

Edited February 22, 2009 by nero12

[WhichWayToTurn]

can you get this straight

 

you parked legally as yiu were showing a valid pay and dispaly ticket as posted. - That's correct but they are disputing that my ticket is not valid.

 

You appealed on the basis that the vehicle details were incorrect as the pcn shows a seat and the nto shows a volswagon, not metioning that the ticket was on display - The first appeal mentioned that I had displayed a valid ticket. The second appeal mentioned the car details being incorrect. To which on the same day of sending the second letter, I had received the 3rd PCN (my last attached picture).

 

They then send a notice to owner which you now have to appeal against. All the notices have been targeted towards me (the owner), I don't think I can hold the stance of "please contact the driver of the vehicle and not the registered keeper" as I already shown them my parking ticket. (I'm justing thinking out aloud here )

 

yes???

 

I hope this helps.

[nero12]

can you get this straight

 

you parked legally as yiu were showing a valid pay and dispaly ticket as posted. - That's correct but they are disputing that my ticket is not valid.

 

You appealed on the basis that the vehicle details were incorrect as the pcn shows a seat and the nto shows a volswagon, not metioning that the ticket was on display - The first appeal mentioned that I had displayed a valid ticket. The second appeal mentioned the car details being incorrect. To which on the same day of sending the second letter, I had received the 3rd PCN (my last attached picture).

 

They then send a notice to owner which you now have to appeal against. All the notices have been targeted towards me (the owner), I don't think I can hold the stance of "please contact the driver of the vehicle and not the registered keeper" as I already shown them my parking ticket. (I'm justing thinking out aloud here )

 

yes???

 

I hope this helps.

Ok it seems we have maladministration regarding the make and model of your vehicle.

 

they are now making out that there are two vehicles involved.

 

Can you post up the rejection letter i need to see why they have rejected your appeal. What was wrong with the p&D ticket. ???

 

we also need to see th rest of the NTO please !!

[WhichWayToTurn]

The rest of the NTO has been posted above. I will get the rejection letter scanned in tomorrow hopefully! Damn broken scanner!

 

Thanks for being patient.

[nero12]

The rest of the NTO has been posted above. I will get the rejection letter scanned in tomorrow hopefully! Damn broken scanner!

 

Thanks for being patient.

fault found already

Edited February 22, 2009 by nero12
was two LOL

[WhichWayToTurn]

Please find attached below their response:

Glad to hear you spotted something...

 

Letter of response:

 

Edited February 24, 2009 by WhichWayToTurn

[nero12]

WhichWayToTurn are you here, i need you to respond cos I havnt much time

[WhichWayToTurn]

Hi I am here

[nero12]

Hi I am here

sorry mate a bit confused due to a hijak of thread.

 

Ok you said another ticket was issued for the same incident. yes??

 

why was your p&d ticket invalid.?? were you parked legally??

 

you also refer to t 3rd pcn. ??

do you mean letters

Edited February 23, 2009 by nero12

[Vermillion]

Hi, Doing a lot of scrolling here! The Tax Disc expriy dates on notices referring PCN 303 and PCN 374 are different, not only the make of the car. Same person maybe different incidents but on same day. The reasons for the charge are both different on each of the two notices. One is expiry of ticket & one is invalid ticket.

 

Am I right in thinking your P&D ticket was paid up to 20.17pm and you paid £2.70? The 'time' boxes on both notices referring to the PCNs have not been completed - did you blank them out or did they not fill them in??

[green_and_mean]

It doesn't help blanking out half the information on the documents if you actually want help, the Council already has all your details so not giving them to us if a bit daft!! I tried to make out what was going on but with times locations etc all missing heaven knows why you got the tickets.