Urgent help with defence please

[Camster]

In terms of the link you have posted it relates to the granting of tenancies and not the post signing situation you are in which relates to tenancy LAW. If it makes you feel any better agents also discriminate on the basis of sexuality, age and economic situation to name but a few.

 

Its a shame you have decided to weave the issue of race in to a reasonably straight forward thread. I doubt playing this card to the judge, if thats your intention, will wash, as they are likley to see right thorough it as I have.

 

Like I said, nothing is being "weaved in". I am suing as a result of racist remarks made. Again, I feel that you have not read earlier posts thoroughly, but then return defamatory remarks - "they are likley to see right thorough it as I have".

 

I would like to add on the tenancy law bit, but I will refrain (it will just be me speculating).

 

Having read and re-read, there's nothing here of use to help with my defence.

 

P.S. And Planner, the link tells me that the majority (based on percentages) of people in the UK (with the South West as sample) are racist. More importantly, it is OK to be racist! (not weaving anything in, just making an observation)

[help me kick his butt]

No one is suggesting that you should put up with no heating etc, but there is a protocol to go through. Ie, 3 estimates of work, letters and only then you should think about with holding rent.

On reading your thread, you do write with a chip on your shoulder, Im afraid. This is not only one persons opinion.

This site is here to help people. Sometimes advice is offered and its not what the OP wants to read, which appears to be the case here.

I wonder if you are confusing rasism with your LL and LA just not liking your attitude?!?

With comments like "I cant even get a parking ticket", Im not warming to you!!!

I fear you believe all are "out to get you" which is certainly not the case with this forum.

Offers of advice take time out of people's busy lives and maybe you ought to be grateful for the advice.

Edited February 7, 2009 by help me kick his butt
typo

[MrShed]

Agree with all the above - unfortunately, you do seem to have brought in a racial aspect that I currently see no basis for. Your comments, bordering on attacks, on three of the most highly respected members of the board in my opinion, are completely unfounded - why bite the hand that feeds? These people are only trying to help, and sometimes help comes when you dont like it - i.e. when the truth is not what you want to hear.

 

One question. If you have "diplomatic immunity" (which I doubt, but it really isnt my forte so I cannot comment further), why are you even asking for advice, as you are so positive that they cannot "do you" for anything anyway?

 

PS - if you do NOT have diplomatic immunity of some description, then let me assure you that a judge is going to absolutely rip you apart with the attitude you have. You may not like that comment, but unfortunately it is the truth.

 

Tangent over, back to the original question. You had no legal basis to terminate the agreement, and you owe them the contractual rent (minus that covered by a replacement tenant).

[Steve__M]

Hello Mr Shed, long time no read!

[MrShed]

Indeed - I am a busy bee right now!! Trying to return haha.

[bedlington83]

unfortunately, you do seem to have brought in a racial aspect that I currently see no basis for.

Racial abuse is one of the (many) complaints Camster has against his LL & LA; its in the OP.

 

Reading back through the thread I honestly don't believe that he is "playing the race card". He think he merely mentioned it to try and emphasise the difficulties that he's had because he was surprised at the reaction he was getting. Like, I suspect, many foreigners he probably believes that the English legal sytem is about fairness and justice when those of us who have lived here all our lives know that that is certainly not the case.

 

I agree that Camster isn't coming across particularly well but that could be down to one of two reasons other than his personality. 1, cultural difference between the UK & the country that Camster would call home. (The British are a peculiar people to many foreigners - there's many interesting books about it). 2, a lack of vocabulary/grammar due to English being his/her second language.

 

Having said that Camster seems to be a lot more eloquent than many of the contributors to this board so I think that 2 is unlikely.

[MrShed]

bedlington, we are all absolutely entitled to our opinions - so fair enough. My reading of this is different, and I stand by the point that the whole issue has become overly based on race in comparison to the original issue. However, this is obviously open to interpretation.

[MrShed]

It should however be borne in mind that the race issue has NOTHING to do with the issue mentioned, hence why I believe it has been overly mentioned. Racial abuse is absolutely unacceptable, and should be pursued with the police in a criminal fashion. However, it has no relevance or impact upon the quite seperate issue of a civil breach of contract.

[help me kick his butt]

here here Mrshed, nice to have you back

[Steve__M]

I was offended by the suggestion that being a landlord would mean I'd see the LA/LL side rather than the tenant.

 

Originally, I specifically avoided the race issue through lack of relevant knowledge and a feeling that it could not help the OPs case. Planner apparently missed it (easily done in long posts). So the OP brought it up again and then accused Planner of deliberately ignoring it.

 

So yes, I think the race card was played against us, and additionally, I've been half wondering whether this, plus inflammatory comments about English law and repeated mentions of the word "jungle" were an attempt to elicit overt offensive comments.

 

But as many of my family members are from places in or near jungles, race issues are usually something that pass me by.

[bedlington83]

bedlington, we are all absolutely entitled to our opinions - so fair enough.

I've no problem with agreeing to disagree - the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same.

[caro]

The OP did mention racism in his original post but I'm not convinced that it will particularly strengthen the defence for this claim. Worth mentioning in court though to demonstrate unreasonable behaviour.

 

It would appear too that you may not be able to claim diplomatic immunity for this case.

 

In addition, a diplomatic agent is immune from civil lawsuits, except for actions involving estates, when he or she is the executor, administrator, or beneficiary; actions concerning real property held by the diplomatic agent for personal, not official functions; and actions relating to professional or business activities that are beyond the scope of diplomatic duties.

 

Ambassadors and Consuls legal definition of Ambassadors and Consuls. Ambassadors and Consuls synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

Have you made a start on drafting the defence so we can take a look and see if we can help you out with this. It might help to see the Particulars of Claim too. I'm not clear if you're dealing with this yourself or will have a solicitor acting for you.

Edited February 8, 2009 by caro

[Planner]

I think this thread has now reached the point of becoming quite distasteful. You obviously arent interested in answers to your tenancy question, but instead want a general discussion on race. This forum isnt the right place for such a discussion.

 

I also find your obvious contempt for the nation you work in, its people and its legal system offensive.

 

Your allegations in post 26 above that the majority of the people in the UK are racist (pointing out the South West) and then stating this is an acceptable situation, is also particularly offensive and has nothing what so ever to do with your tenancy question.

 

I have reported the post to a moderator.

[MARTIN3030]

Acknowledgement that the team have had a reported post-in fact 2.

As with all threads,the content within posts should refrain from being offensive to others.

The consensus appears to be that parts of this thread are offensive and insensitive to some members.

[caro]

I think this thread has now reached the point of becoming quite distasteful. You obviously arent interested in answers to your tenancy question, but instead want a general discussion on race. This forum isnt the right place for such a discussion.

 

I also find your obvious contempt for the nation you work in, its people and its legal system offensive.

 

Your allegations in post 26 above that the majority of the people in the UK are racist (pointing out the South West) and then stating this is an acceptable situation, is also particularly offensive and has nothing what so ever to do with your tenancy question.

 

I have reported the post to a moderator.

 

The reason I have posted above Planner is because there are a number of personal posts which are irrelevant and unnecessary to the OPs original question, and I was trying to bring the thread back on topic. I believe the OP was merely trying to make a point and does not believe that racism is ok, although I admit it does appear that way.

 

The fact is the OP has included racism in his original post and is one of a number of issues that have led him to stop paying rent.

[Camster]

Planner/Admin/Caro,

 

The link of Post 26:

BBC NEWS | England | Agencies 'happy to discriminate'

 

As one can see, the percentages and observations are consistent with what was said on the BBC programme.

 

 

Caro,

I've confirmed that I'm immune from all civil and criminal proceedings. I'll proceed with the system here. It's good to know that I have something sturdy to fall back on.

 

The confusion? Can I sue the LL and LA with the same claim? Or not?

 

How do I attach .pdfs? Yup, submitted 16(5). Can't find the 'attach button to attach.

[Camster]

Steve,

 

Please re-read the whole post. I wrote that the persons who carried out the inventory check mentioned that the property was like a jungle. It's in the bloody inventory (yes, the word jungle). Please advise on attaching a document and you will see it for yourself!

 

And yes! Race is a burning point here! Together with defamation and a barely habitable property, these three form the basis or my defence.

 

 

 

Mr. Shed,

Our beloved police force took as to be a "civil" matter and not a criminal one!

[Camster]

Acknowledgement that the team have had a reported post-in fact 2.

As with all threads,the content within posts should refrain from being offensive to others.

The consensus appears to be that parts of this thread are offensive and insensitive to some members.

 

 

Insensitive? LOL. Interesting to point out that in many bits (e.g. BBC's HYS, etc.), the great majority can't stand PC. Pray, do highlight the bits deemed to be "insensitive" and "offensive"

[Camster]

Your allegations in post 26 above that the majority of the people in the UK are racist (pointing out the South West) and then stating this is an acceptable situation, is also particularly offensive and has nothing what so ever to do with your tenancy question.

 

I have reported the post to a moderator.

 

 

Planner,

LOL. You really need to read things thoroughly.

 

Anyway, found the "attach" button - need to be in the advanced editor mode.

 

Will scan and attach later.

[Planner]

I think from the four posts above in rapid succession that you are again, trying to provoke a negative response, from what you have previously tried to turn into an inflamatory thread.

 

I have your number, I hope other posters do and ignore your attempts.

Edited February 19, 2009 by Planner
My view wasnt strong enough.

[cariad mo brwydrwr]

I wrote that the persons who carried out the inventory check mentioned that the property was like a jungle. It's in the bloody inventory (yes, the word jungle).

 

Just a small point (and I'm no expert) but doesn't the fact that the inventory states the 'disrepair' of the garden etc as mentioned also in post #9:

All these terms (jungle, cobwebs, etc.) are present in the inventory.

 

Mean that the OP accepted the condition of garden/property when the TA was signed initially? I thought that was the point of an inventory? Surely that means that you can't subsequently complain about it as it was accepted in the first place?

 

Sorry if I'm barking up the wrong tree here!

[Camster]

Hi Planner,

 

Here you go again - LOL. I only just read all your "lovely" (recent) posts and decided to correct you on bits that were wrong.

 

Inflammatory? Provoke? Negative response? Check your posts!!! It is your Post 45 that is as such!!! Am I to be silent while both you and Steve make false statements that are malicious in nature? Please do read my posts again.

 

 

 

Hi Cariad,

These issues were highlighted in the inventory, and it was made clear (in the inventory) that the LA/LA would have these done up.

[cariad mo brwydrwr]

it was made clear (in the inventory) that the LA/LA would have these done up.

 

Sorry, I just didn't see you mention that anywhere previously. It might be helpful if you posted the exact wording of this promise by the LA/LL so that it can be used to help your claim. If the main reason for your claim is the disrepair/inhabitability of the property/grounds, I imagine this would be a particular point on which you would base the claim.

[help me kick his butt]

As previously stated with the Bull in the China shop attitude you have, I'm not sure I and maybe others have any advice for you.

However, I wish you well in your quest.

[Camster]

I have been saying from the onset, if you have no advice, then don't post anything!!! Anyway, none has been offered from the onset.

 

Do stop with the nonsense remarks. Would you like it if I made remarks against "you and maybe others" in return?