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    • Hi All, before I start I know there are similar threads of the topic I am raising, and each, of course, has its own unique scenario, which may benefit others. My case is as follows: 1. I saw a gumtree ad on the 16th of Oct 2020 for a Mercedes E220 CDI, priced at 7,500 2. I called the seller and said I will come over on the 17th of Oct 2020 to view. 3. On the 17th of Oct 2020 I went to his place where he is working and viewed the car. He is working for a major car rental company. I checked the car and of course asked the normal things to ask e.g. any insurance write-offs, loans, accidents, etc. The seller said the car is clean etc.no loan, he had a loan but all is paid off etc. and he has the papers. 4. I negotiated the car price to 6,800 because the rims were showing some signs of damage, the rear light had a small burst, cosmetics, etc. I checked all but did not see any sign of damage to the car (it's a black car, the car was a bit dirty, and the sun was already setting in) 5. We agreed on 6,800 and decided to purchase the car. We went into his office, where I paid cash, and also got a Car Sales Invoice with all details of the seller, and a V5C green slip 6. I purchased car insurance and drove off. I asked him about Road Tax and he said Road tax is paid so I have not to worry, just need car insurance. 7. On 18th of Oct 2020 I cleaned the car interior because it was really dirty inside - it took me a few hours so decided to clean the exterior the next day 8. On the 19th of Oct 2020 I went to clean the exterior and after the car was clean I noticed some parts were resprayed. I became a bit suspicious; so on the 19th of Oct 2020 in the eve, I went on the internet and run an HPI check. The outcome from the HPI did not show any accidents, insurance write-off but an outstanding Loan with Moneybarn. At this point, I thought maybe the database is not updated, etc. 9. On the 20th of Oct 2020, morning, things were going through my mind; the seller said the car is clean, no issues, no loan since he settled all etc. but the HPI reports say there is still some outstanding loan. So what I did, I called Moneybarn, and explained the situation, and gave them the contract number as well (since it was displayed on the HPI report). They said they will send me a form by email, but they cannot share any information due to Data Protection (GDPR). fair enough I thought, but what made me boil, they said they OWN the car! So, I took the car and drove to the seller where he is working. I confronted him. He said don't worry, I will handle it, he has no time, he is very busy and bla bla bla. I said what reasons do I have to trust you, you lied, and now you say you still have a debt, etc. So I said I will not leave until he has settled the debt, or repay me my money. I also asked what is outstanding, he said around 7,000. Well, since I confronted him at his workplace he may have felt the heat, he assured he will settle all soon, I said sorry, I need a date, so I said you will settle the debt with Moneybarn by 23 Oct 2020, if not, you will refund me my money. He said Ok he will do it, so I said, since I don't trust you, you will sign a piece of paper, and sign it. On the paper, he wrote "I will clear the debt for the Mercedes by Friday" and signed it. I said I am not happy and added the debt details with contract number, and also a clause that if he fails to settle the debt with Moneybarn by Friday the 23rd of Oct 2020, he will refund me my money, 6,800, and sales of the car Mercedes, license plate, will be void. Also, I said to put an initial on each amendment I made with signature. He did, and I left. 10. On 22 Oct I sent him a message, to remind him to settle the debt by Friday 23 Oct 2020 noontime and also I outlined some legal jargon I had to sent that I received from citizensadvice. 11. On 23 Oct, morning time, I received a message from the seller, he said he will not/cannot refund me the money, not to visit him at his office or place, and that he feels threatened by me. 12. Now, the dilemma/headache; a). I received the form from Moneybarn on the 20th of Oct 2020 and I have to send it back within 7 days b). the seller send me a message he will not refund the money c). is the seller holding the title with Moneybarn or did he also buy and not knowing there is an outstanding loan on it d). did he sent the V5C to DVLA since I have the green slip? e). Shall I fill in the form and sent it to Moneybarn? f). If Moneybarn has all my details they may send someone to repossess the car? 13. I decided, I will not undertake anything yet, because my mind said, go there, confront him, park the car in front of the company since I purchased it there and signed all paperwork in their office, they will call the police, the police will come and surely will not do anything but will force me to remove the car and park somewhere else, record all on camera, take all evidence, sent to Moneybarn and at the same time to the seller's employer (when I asked him to sign a letter he will settle the debt by Friday 23rd of Oct 2020, he used a paper of the car rental company, and on the back, the logo of the rental company is displayed clearly and he may have acted on behalf of the company to sell me the car, after all, I don't know if he holds the title with Moneybarn - well, this is an excuse for me to even sue the car rental company, or blacklist him with the company he is working for since it seems he is some type of manager there and he may have acted in the capacity as a sales person to sell the car to me on behalf the company....). 14. So on the 23rd of Oct 2020, I didn't do anything like described under 13....it's not my style as such I called AWH solicitors, explained all, and they said one person is specialized in dealing with such cases and will call me back after studying my case and inform me if it is something they can fight or not. So they will call me Monday the 26th of Oct 2020. I also said I want to go now and confront the seller, but she said better wait till Monday, and if they can fight the case, they will tell me the next course of action - but my funds are limited and cannot afford a lengthy battle, because if no case against Moneybarn means I will have to sue the seller to the court which will cost me. The car has comprehensive insurance and with all this saga I added on the 20th of Oct 2020 also legal insurance on top. Lengthy story, but I am trying to be as detailed as I can, and yes I should have done an HPI before buying the car, but I am from Holland and car sales work there a bit different, and this is my first time I buy from a private seller. Well, once I have sent the form to Moneybarn, I will park the car in a garage, and at this stage, I am renting a room in a house (there is one more tenant). Since I am from Holland, I am planning a trip within 2 weeks to visit my family and I will drive down with the car and in the meanwhile wait if the solicitor can be of any help. I need some advice though, I am still planning to drive down to the seller on Tuesday after I talked with the solicitor, park the car in front of the company, and confront the seller, and try to record all. I will also try to make him sign a letter that I purchased the car in good faith from him (regardless if he holds the title with Moneybarn or not but at least I purchased in good faith from him). Evidence that I have: 1. Car sales invoice 2. Paper that I made him sign 3. Gumtree ad; I could retract this from google history, but the original add removed from gumtree. At least I can show it was advertised 4. I tried to create a history of past owners, total owners including me are 5. It seems the car was also posted on gumtree before by a company in Essex (I saw on google). The reason for doing this, it is very likely that the seller purchased the car from someone else with an outstanding loan. Since then I read a lot on the internet, so please any advice is welcome to pursue my case, I paid a lot and at least I want my money back. Also what I read so far, Moneybarn is not easy to deal with...thanks in advance for any advice I can use for my case.
    • Hi   I think you need to check not just the serial number but what Meter Point Reference Number (MPRN) as the MPRN is what is registered and energy supplier go off as well as the serial number.   So you need to see what the MPRN is as well as the energy supplier it is registered with.   If you look at this Ofgem link: https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/consumers/household-gas-and-electricity-guide/connections-and-moving-home/who-my-gas-or-electricity-supplier   In the above link to do this check it gives a link to:   Find My Supplier: https://www.findmysupplier.energy/webapp/index.html (note you may have to complete a captcha, then input your postcode only and click find my address, when the list comes up click on your exact address, you will then see you actual MPRN and the energy supplier linked to your address)   With the above make sure and take the details of the MPRN and the Energy Supplier, better still take a screenshot/pdf the webpage.   Please let use know if on doing the above it matches your current supplier?  
    • I had exactly the same issues.   Grossly over estimated bills from January onwards.  Despite what they claim, they are effectively taking an interest free loan from their customer base to keep the company in business.   They can dress it up how they like.  It’s irrelevant if they reconcile the bills the following month because they just over bill again thus keeping a rolling interest free loan.   it took two months of constant badgering to be finally moved to a fixed DD.   Once that was done I didn’t care how much they over-estimated by.   I had raised a query with the ombudsman over the billing fiasco and they readied a complaint should I wish to proceed.   I thought everything was sorted until May/June whereby I was allegedly more in debt then I was expecting to the tune of an extra months DD.   On querying it, it transpired that even though I was on a fixed monthly DD, because the bill was generated less than 5 days before the DD was due to be taken they didn’t take the DD.   They offered £5 compensation by way of apology but wanted to take two months DD in June.  I told them where to get off.   With appalling customer service,  bills that you need a Maths degree to follow, and I do have one and still struggled, inability to follow through on any agreements, constant gross over-estimation, the missed DD was the final straw and I proceeded with complaint to ombudsman.   Prior to getting to that stage I had to quote Symbio’s own complaints procedure to them to get any sort of response.   Their final offer to me was £25 goodwill and to waive an exit fee. The offer was derisory given the time it had taken to get things sorted and the continuing ineptitude.  Also, the whole thing has dragged on so long (5 months) I was already in the final 49 days of my contract and therefore there were no exit fees to pay and therefore nothing to waive.   Anyway, upshot is, ombudsman found in my favour.  Ordered an apology and a goodwill payment. Symbio appealed but were told the decision stood.   This week I received the goodwill payment.   I promptly left an honest and truthful review on trustpilot.   The next morning I received an email from Symbio with an apology.   This was followed an hour later with an email from trustpilot saying Symbio had replied to the review.  On reading the response they have accused me of not following procedure and of cyber bullying.   The company is a complete joke.
    • why not simply tell you supplier they have the wrong meter number you been paying for usage , and ofcourse you can view this online too so its not as if you'll owe anything you might get a nice surprise and find you are owed a refund.
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Hello,

 

I am looking for advice with regard to MET Parking Services. I parked my car at the Brewery car park in Romford on Saturday, January 31 and purchased a £1 ticket from pay and display machine which entitled me to park until 16.11. I detached half of the ticket (to reclaim 80p portion) when shopping later in Sainsbury's. I left the other half of the ticket on the dashboard. I went through the till at Sainsburys store on the ground floor (receipt is timed at 16.01pm) and immediately returned to my car and left the car park. Today when I switched on my wiper blades due to sleety conditions, I was shocked to discover them snagging on something which has turned out to be a penalty notice. This notice had in my opinion been very sneakily fixed in the lowest possible point on the windscreen so as to not be visible. The sticky glue on the notice has damaged my wiper blades. The penalty charge is £100 or £50 if paid within 14 days. I did buy a ticket, did not exceed my time and have the additional proof of a timed Sainsbury's receipt showing my parking charge refund. Please can anyone out there advise whether this is worth pursuing. Is the appeals process independent. What will happen if I simply ignore it?

My advice to anyone else - AVOID ROMFORD - go to LAKESIDE where there is free parking and a much nicer atmosphere in the shops.

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No, the appeals process is in no way independent! This is a private ticket a.k.a. an unenforceable invoice. It's a [problem] basically.

 

• do not pay

• do not contact them

• ignore the letters you receive, no matter how threatening

• they will give up and go away after 3 or 4

 

Met are very well known. Everybody ignores them with great success. They like to threaten court action in their scary letters, like all these scamsters, but there is zero percent chance of that.

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Please can anyone out there advise whether this is worth pursuing.

No it's not

Is the appeals process independent.

No it's not

What will happen if I simply ignore it?

In 99.9% of the cases, nothing

 

Do not pay them

Do not write to them

Do not telephone them

 

Job Done

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As above. Its an invoice and a [problem]. You may get a few letters from a DCA threatening all sorts-ignore and they will give up :)

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This does not make sense. I have too recently received a fine Parking charge notice from Met Parking Services Romford Brewery for parking in such a way as to cause an obstruction OR was parked outside the marking of a parking bay. It was late at night and I never even got a ticket, which too I should have got. I was not parked in a bay as it was an old exit which has been boarded up now and not in use, however the markings on the floor have not changed and many people use this bay everyday as you can fit 3 cars in this gap.

 

So from your response above your telling me that this company is trying to get £50 from me and will not persue court as it will cost them money to do so?

 

If so, that means that I never have to buy a ticket or park in any designated bay ever again because parking charge notices are not legal. Why do we pay for tickets then in car parks??? I think you have this wrong, I have not paid this fine yet and was in 2 minds in doing so after the above comments, but now I think I should pay.

 

There must be acceptions to this, Im sure you abide by the law.

 

Please comment on advice of payment yes or no.

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No we never say to not pay for the use of a parking space on pay and display just that these so called PCN's are just an invoice that can be ignored as the so called contract is unfair.

 

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I've never seen a post on here advising people not to pay in a 'pay & display'

 

Also Kat Pat ' it is no guarantee that parking in a free car park will not result in a [problem] being perpetrated on you (including Lakeside, Tesco, Sainsbury et al.)'

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Hey if you want to earn some cash they are now advertising for staff.

 

Parking Attendant

 

Hours: Minimum 40 hours per weekLocation:RomfordDuration:Permanent OnlyRequirement(s):

 

Description :

 

We are currently recruiting for Parking Attendants to work in Romford. Duties will entail: patrolling car parks on foot, enforcing parking restrictions, issuing of Parking Charge Notices and customer services.

 

Full uniform will be provided, how can we resist.:p

 

 

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Am I in the wrong for parking here? When 2 other cars are parked here it does look like a space, but then after the ticket a huge sign stating No Parking is displayed clearly. Needless to say you naturally dont look for no parking signs if you think it is a space to park. Shall I pay the fine Yes or No. Has anyone actually not paid and got away with this? How many threatening letters did they send? Was you in the wrong though?

 

Advice asap please

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Just follow the advice from the above. It is never encouraged not to pay and think that it is ok to do so or do anything illegal on this site. People give advice and help if they believe others have been treated unfairly and need a voice. If you read around the threads and stickies you will find all the answers you need. I, as many others on here have been in the same position as you..do not worry. You will recieve one or two letters from MET. You may recieve up to three letters from a DCA and that will be it-they will give up and move onto someone that WILL pay.

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@ Longalion;

 

Am I in the wrong for parking here? When 2 other cars are parked here it does look like a space...

IMO, technically, Yes, though it was not done in bad faith. Does not mean a PCN should have been issued though.

 

...but then after the ticket a huge sign stating No Parking is displayed clearly...

:?: So was this sign there when you got the ticket/PCN or has it been put up since?

 

... Shall I pay the fine Yes or No...

No. And it is not a fine. It is just an aggressively worded and formatted invoice misrepresented in guise of a fine.

 

Has anyone actually not paid and got away with this?

Yes - do a search on MET in this forum. Though I would not term it as 'got away with'.

 

How many threatening letters did they send?

I'm on my fourth now, but its been quiet since.

 

Was you in the wrong though?

This all depends on perspective. In my case, no knowledge of a parking restriction was in place in the car park and there was no reason to search for such restriction given the car park in question which was a McDonalds. The system in place by MET was passive (CCTV) and no PCN was placed on the car at the time. Only a month or so later when a PCN / 'invoice' landed through the letter box was any such restriction known. So again, technically the parking would be wrong, but morally the application of the PCN is wrong/unfair/unfounded (take your pick). And even if proven to be issued correctly, as the car park was a free car park, I would fail to see how any evidence of actual loss could be presented in relation to a free car park. Had the car left on time, the next customer who parked there would have paid zero to park - hence no damages could be applied!

 

In your case, you have paid your P+D ticket to cover your parking charges. MET (or more importantly, the landowner) have therefore not lost out. You have also stated above that your parking did not restrict access to other cars, hence no loss in that respect and furthermore, the area you were parked in was restricted from access (boarded up), so loss from obstruction cannot be claimed in that respect.

 

The costs (damages) any company try to claim must be against actual loss. Anything above and beyond such costs is deemed as a penalty - and a penalty is not legally enforcable by a private company.

 

It does not cost £100 for a piece of paper (the PCN put on your car) & 5 minutes of time for the item to entered into the company computer system. The other costs (e.g. provision of a CEO, back office facilities, etc.) are not consequential from your alledged infringement, therefore no value (or portion of) can be transferred to you in respect. i.e. if your PCN was not issued, MET would still have to pay said costs.

 

In respect to your query in just parking and not paying, then No, this is not right, nobody has said the parking charge itself is not legal, just unjust. It is not illegal for the sums of money to be asked for, but they are not legally enforeable.

 

If you do not pay your car park P+D, then by doing so your are denying the valid payment to the car park owner and in such respect there is an actual loss involved. The owner has an entitlement to recover their lost revenue and consequential costs involved in recovery of that lost revenue - though again such consequential costs have to be realistic and if they are extorionate (and unsubstantiable), then they will be discarded in law as a whole (I believe due to unjust enrichment - but I am still learning the legal jargons in respect).

 

Well, thats my rose coloured perspective on it all, so please experts, shoot me down if I am wrong.

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In your case, you have paid your P+D ticket to cover your parking charges.

 

Exactly. Would you accept it if the security guard at Sainsburys ordered you to pay £100 if you couldn't present him with a receipt if he asked for one whilst you were loading your shopping in your car (say if you'd put it in the bin on the way out)?

 

You've paid. End of.

 

These companies would love it if signage stating "You agree to pay £100 if you do not display a P&D ticket" was above board and legitimate. Contract law does not work like that though.

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Just to update you all on my recent post. I did receive 4 letters gradually getting to a lovely red colour with an increase of price. Now I have a debt collector letter from Roxburghe owing £150 and absence of payment or valid dispute we will pursue this matter - with or without my cooperation. If they don't hear from me in 7 days they will pass the matter to their solicitors, Graham White, who will review my case for legal action.

 

Any suggestions guys???

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Ignore until you get REAL court papers but please don't hold your breath waiting it could be very bad for your health.

 

dpick

cannot find it A to Z

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/consumer-forums-website-questions/53182-cant-find-what-youre.html

 

 

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Paid in full £2295

 

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19/01/2008 recovered PPI £2216 + costs

 

Littlewoods :-D

12/08/2007 write off £1176.10 debt.

 

JD Williams charges refunded in full £640

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Just to update you all on my recent post. I did receive 4 letters gradually getting to a lovely red colour with an increase of price. Now I have a debt collector letter from Roxburghe owing £150 and absence of payment or valid dispute we will pursue this matter - with or without my cooperation. If they don't hear from me in 7 days they will pass the matter to their solicitors, Graham White, who will review my case for legal action.

 

Any suggestions guys???

 

Ignore.

 

Expect 2 letters from Graham White before they give up.

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As Al27 says, you should get two letters, the second 1 week after the first, titled Final Warning - and it looks like it is.

 

I got my final warning over 2 months ago and have not heard anymore since.

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Hi

I'm not sure how to use this site but here goes, I'm trying to find some information on tickets being issued in macdonalds, I received one for the alledged offense of staying 10 minutes too long. Basically what happened is I arranged to meet a colleague there to discuss business back in May( I am field based so use these sites to meet up with colleagues) I also drive a company car, I waited 10 minutes for my colleague to arrive, we then went to get a coffee from an adjacent restaurant with is part of the same site, I still have the till receipt with time stamp on it, yestrday I received the notice from the leasing company informing me of this alledged offense. The notice had my name on so I assume that Met Parking Services have been in touch with the DVLA, the address was the leasing company to whom the car belongs to. I have been in touch with Macdonalds head office who didn't appear to know very, I have also written to the DVLA to find out if it was them they gave them my name. My company do not pay parking fines of any description, fines are sent to the leasing company they locate the driver and the details are then sent to the driver, the leasing company do not pass personal details of drivers to any company private or otherwise, so now the fine is £100 for 10 minutes £10 per minute, surely this is extortion.Please can anyone advise me as to what to do now. Thanks

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Do not respond to them in any way whatsoever it is almost certain that they will not take it any further. They will try it on and try and frighten you into paying though, once they have the address from the DVLA You will get two letters from PPC, two from DCA(next desk) then two from supposed solicitor (next but one desk).

 

 

You haven’t committed any traffic offence. Any dispute with a private parking firm is contractual only.

 

 

They can’t ‘fine’ you in legal terms. They can only go to court, under contract law, to reclaim any money they have LOST as a result of you parking on their land (they don't own the land) – and they can only do that if there is a valid contract( fat chance) in place first.

 

 

dpick

cannot find it A to Z

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/consumer-forums-website-questions/53182-cant-find-what-youre.html

 

 

Halifax :D

Paid in full £2295

 

MBNA:mad: 20/03/2008 settled in full out of court

 

Capital One:D

07/07/2007 Capital one charges paid in full £1666

19/01/2008 recovered PPI £2216 + costs

 

Littlewoods :-D

12/08/2007 write off £1176.10 debt.

 

JD Williams charges refunded in full £640

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Thanks for the replys

So to get this clear I am to do nothing about the notice except ignore it?

I have seen some of the templates letters on here and wondered if I should send one of those.

There seems to be conflicting answers on here so I am a bit confused.

 

Thanks

woodys157

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It used to be advised that you could send template letters, but it became apparent that no type of "appeal" or any letter you send had any effect.

 

Totally ignore them now is generally the best advice.

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