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Hi All

 

I've been searching the site, looking for the latest news re the oft test case, but cannot find anything. I had 17 January in my mind - am I imagining that or is something happening on that day??

 

All seems too quiet ..........

jaxads

 

Halifax - £2281, successfully refunded all charges after LBA letter & telephone call.

Have been offered the difference between the £20 and £12 charges from Capital One -- am sending LBA for remainder.

GE Money - Received settlement of £441, being total charges requested. No interest though.

CCA'd Bank of Scotland / Blair Oliver Scott to produce CCA Agreements on two Credit Cards - well in default, although still chasing payment!!!

EOS Solutions "ceased action on account" on behalf of a friend.

 

All in all, quite busy at the moment and enjoying every minute of it
:eek:

 

 

 

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The FSA waiver to the banks expires on 26 January there will be a certain amount of pressure to have the Test Case appeal results in by then.

Also we are still waiting for the final bit from Judge Andrew Smith re the requested statement from the Court that "Charges can not be tested as penalties" the only Bank who seemed to be struggling to get this pronouncement is RBS-NatWest..bless em!

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

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Thanks Sprouty :)

 

I don't know where I got the 17th from (probably someone's birthday that I should remember :eek:).

 

Poor old Natwest don't seem to be getting much right at the minute - they're really struggling with my Subject Access Request !!!

 

Thanks again. jaxads

jaxads

 

Halifax - £2281, successfully refunded all charges after LBA letter & telephone call.

Have been offered the difference between the £20 and £12 charges from Capital One -- am sending LBA for remainder.

GE Money - Received settlement of £441, being total charges requested. No interest though.

CCA'd Bank of Scotland / Blair Oliver Scott to produce CCA Agreements on two Credit Cards - well in default, although still chasing payment!!!

EOS Solutions "ceased action on account" on behalf of a friend.

 

All in all, quite busy at the moment and enjoying every minute of it
:eek:

 

 

 

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Hi Jaxads!

 

I was thinking the exact same thing the other day, I was searching the web for updates or anything regards the test case and ZIPPO!!

No speculation on a result or even what the outcome may be.

 

Maybe a few senario's from the resident experts would be good (just an idea)

 

I did notice on LB the general overview is the stay will be extended :mad:.

 

Does anyone have the inside track on this, there must be thousands of us holding our breath waiting for any news.

 

Regards to everyone and Happy happy new year!

 

Stewie:roll:

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The FSA waiver to the banks expires on 26 January there will be a certain amount of pressure to have the Test Case appeal results in by then.

Also we are still waiting for the final bit from Judge Andrew Smith re the requested statement from the Court that "Charges can not be tested as penalties" the only Bank who seemed to be struggling to get this pronouncement is RBS-NatWest..bless em!

 

I am sorry but the Test Case Appeals determines the FSA Waiver and NOT the other way around. The waiver is in place until the conclusion of the OFT test case is concluded. I doubt a final final resolution to this will happen before the start of 2010(in my opinion). More pressure DOES need to be put on the FSA around the actual renewal of the waiver.

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FSA Waiver on Bank Charges:http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/Doing/Regulated/Notify/Waiver/pdf/dir_quart_0709.pdf

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I agree, however the result of the bank appeal is expected in January and also RBS Court declaration on charges as penalties is out standing,Judge Smith also indicated that he would attempt to have the matter resolved before Christmas so it’s due.

 

CONSPIROSY THEORY

If I were a banker with a blank cheque with love from Gordon sitting on the board room table I would seize the opportunity to clear the decks (with a little help from the uk tax payer) write down the debt and start over with a clean sheet.

 

I am not a banker..but here's hoping!

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

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CONSPIROSY THEORY

If I were a banker with a blank cheque with love from Gordon sitting on the board room table I would seize the opportunity to clear the decks (with a little help from the uk tax payer) write down the debt and start over with a clean sheet.

 

If I was a banker whose bank was 60% owned by the govt - I would be pressuring the government to legislate this out of existance.

 

I would suspect that we will se legislation to limit the refunds of PPi Charges and also to address the unenforceable loan issue.

Opinions are offered in good faith based upon personal experience and research. Before making any irreversible decisions the opinion of a qualified, registered and insured legal professional should be sought.

 

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thanks

 

Nat West Charges £1056 WON

RBS Charges £3600 WON

RBS Unenforceable Loan £18500 Pending

RBS PPI on loan above Pending

MBNA Credit Card CCA & SAR Sent

Co-op Credit Card CCA Sent

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Hi all,

 

I’m no expert on this but I think we are in for the long haul with these whole bank charges.

My theory is the banks will loose, but not totally. I think it will go down the same road as the credit cards, they will refund the difference between what is considered fair and what has been charged.

 

The claiming of PPI has suddenly become a bit more difficult, companies are more willing to take you to task rather than rolling over and paying out. I’m experiencing this now with my own claim.

 

The unenforceable CCA agreements will defiantly be the next "big" thing that could potentially have bigger consequence than PPI and bank charges combined. What if companies decide to start checking CCA's. Again my own theory.

 

I just wished the waiting was over so I knew what direction to take. I have the letters sitting on my PC just waiting to be printed and sent.

 

 

Stewie:confused:

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Re PPI>

 

I heard a story at a drinks party over Xmas that a senior compliance staff at Barclays decided to leave the banking industry and start his own Claims Management Company. Why on earth would somebody want to do that? !

 

Barclays had an online loan which had a compulsory ppi "option" (yes I Know) rather than them putting their hands up and sending all applicants their PPI payments back they are refunding on application as they admit they could not possibly have carried out any suitability test.

 

But dont tell anyone its a secret!

 

Problem is getting information like this to the public and showing up the banks for what they really are.

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

Thomas Jefferson 1802

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Here You go Chaps:

 

COMMERCIAL COURT LIST

 

COURT 76

Before MR JUSTICE ANDREW SMITH

Wednesday 21 January 2009

At 10:00

FOR JUDGMENT

2007-1186 Office of Fair Trading v Abbey National PLC

 

I believe this to be the announcement re NatWests charges being able to be tested as a penalty.

 

STAND BY FOR THE FIREWORKS IF THEY DONT GET IT!

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

Thomas Jefferson 1802

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Ooooooo - fingers crossed xx :)

jaxads

 

Halifax - £2281, successfully refunded all charges after LBA letter & telephone call.

Have been offered the difference between the £20 and £12 charges from Capital One -- am sending LBA for remainder.

GE Money - Received settlement of £441, being total charges requested. No interest though.

CCA'd Bank of Scotland / Blair Oliver Scott to produce CCA Agreements on two Credit Cards - well in default, although still chasing payment!!!

EOS Solutions "ceased action on account" on behalf of a friend.

 

All in all, quite busy at the moment and enjoying every minute of it
:eek:

 

 

 

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Millicat

 

SNAP

 

Great minds think alike!

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

Thomas Jefferson 1802

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COMMERCIAL COURT LIST

COURT 76

Before MR JUSTICE ANDREW SMITH

Wednesday 21 January 2009

At 10:00

FOR JUDGMENT

2007-1186 Office of Fair Trading v Abbey National PLC

SHAZZAW POSTED ON THE LB SITE

 

 

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Leagle seagulls site.

 

OFT have confirmed that this is the handing down of judgement on what was left over from the declarations sought by the banks on whether their charges could be tested as penalties.

 

natwest & abbey needed to make further representation.

 

On the bright side the most RBS/NatWest share price is likely to drop on bad news is 10.5p. Cheer up Fred the Shread !

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

Thomas Jefferson 1802

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I want my money..

 

Oops sorry this isnt the banking forum.

Any typos spelling mistakes are due to leprechauns in my keyboard they move the letters around sometimes (edited for bookworm god bless her sole) Deep Peace be with you.

 

“I would say to the House as I said to those who have joined this government: I have

nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the

most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of

suffering.

 

You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs —

Victory in spite of all terror — Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for

without victory there is no survival.”

 

(Winston Churchill Addressing the House of commons.)

 

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or go to the oft website.

 

You see they no what youre doing because you post it here if the case law and letter match hey presto who cares if its not the same name. A debt collector will find ways around lack of info.

Any typos spelling mistakes are due to leprechauns in my keyboard they move the letters around sometimes (edited for bookworm god bless her sole) Deep Peace be with you.

 

“I would say to the House as I said to those who have joined this government: I have

nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the

most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of

suffering.

 

You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs —

Victory in spite of all terror — Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for

without victory there is no survival.”

 

(Winston Churchill Addressing the House of commons.)

 

All complaints go to the lootube. All conversations go in the white box then you click submit.

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No we do not lose there is plenty to come out on the appeal on UTCC in the next 2 weeks.

 

BUT

 

NatWest Claimants with charges pre July 2003 WIN

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

Thomas Jefferson 1802

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