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Thank you Andy/Dx UPDATED Defence, 3 days remaining. Not sure where to mention invalid PAP. I put it under number 5. Please check if this is good to go. Defence The Defendant contends that the particulars of claims are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any allegation to which a specific response has not been made. The Claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) – failed to serve a letter of claim pre-claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant to 7.1 PAPDC. 1. I have in the past had financial dealings with Lloyds Banking Group. I do not recall the precise details of the agreement and have sought clarity from the claimant. 2. However, I do not recall ever receiving a Default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974. 3. I do not recall ever receiving this notice pursuant to sec136 of the Law of Property Act 1925. 4. I do not recall ever receiving a letter of assignment from the Lloyds Banking group advising the debt was assigned to the claimant. 5. Claimant served the invalid PAP with no connection to their court claim, 6. On receipt of this claim I sent CPR 31.14 and section 77 request. The claimant failed to provide a valid copy of the agreement and therefore remains in default of said request. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to:- a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement; and b) show how the Defendant has reached the amount claimed for; and c) Show or evidence service of a Default Notice/Notice of Sums in Arrears, d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. -
no. i wonder if the OP is entitled to CTAX benefit, thats only available from the relevant council...most on UC can get it.. but your MP is by far the most successful route to sorting these issues we've seen here to work. -
dx100uk unclebulgaria67 OP is on UC. Could the council apply for weekly amounts to be deducted from UC claim ? -
and what defence did you file please? dx
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By BankFodder · Posted
I suggest you start reading around this forum about the steps involved in taking a small claim in the County Court. It's very straightforward but you should understand the steps before embarking on it so that you are confident. We will help you all the way. Once you have done this basic reading then come back here and we can begin the process if you are happy to go ahead. On the basis of what you say, I expect that your chances are better than 90%. I also expect that West Cheshire Facilities Management will want to put their hands up before it goes to court and get a judgement against them. We would want to see your letter of claim before it sent off but I suggest that it is made clear that Social Security's have already been informed and that when you get a judgement against West Cheshire Facilities Management, you will make sure that social services and the health service generally are all circulated with copies of the judgement. If West Cheshire Facilities Management really want to take that risk with all of the reputational and business risk that accompanies it, then they are being extremely shortsighted.
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